Canon Disdain

This is part of the disdain Canon has for their customers. You buy a Canon flash unit costing $200 to $500 to use on your G6 or Pro1. They discontinue those cameras so the only place you can use the flash unit is on the Canon cash cow which is a DSLR and bag full of lenses.

Canon did the same thing with RAW files by taking it away from less expensive cameras to force their hapless customers into the cash cow again. They are the largest camera manufacturer by a wide margin so they do not have to treat mere costomers with any respect!
I have my last Canon camera in my Pro1. I will not be treated this way again!

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Bob,
'There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept.' Ansel Adams
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Canon sells what people buy. If they can sell 50X more SDxxx's than Pro1's, guess which line they're going to continue? They're not a cottage industry, nor a charity. How egotistical can you be to think that Canon will build a camera simply for you? Further, how is it that you can possibly know how much margin Canon clears on a DSLR system as opposed to what it does on that afrorementioned SD-series camera? I'm quite certain that I could pull apart and reassemble an SDxxx in no time, and have it operate just as before I began the task. It's a simple grouping of several large-scale sub-assemblies, that requires neither testing nor calibration. And, they're put together using largely unskilled laborers in third-world SE Asian countires. There's probably a Nike factory within spitting distance. Think that's true of a 30D, and where's it assembled? Be serious Bob, and share your wealth of corporate knowledge with the rest of us, please? Do you really have nothing else to do but ***** about Canon? Find another hobby, buy a different brand, get laid, but do something else.
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Canon's quarterly statements for the past year have given credit for the continued increasing profit to substantially higher margins for their DSLRs and accessories. These are not secrets.

Please read the initial post. My sense is that I feel manipulated into products I do not want so I intend to get where the prosumer cameras are offered. No more complicated than that.
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Bob,
'There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept.' Ansel Adams
Great Pro1
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Well I believe that about everyone has followed suit, so I guess...uh...deal. Who still makes a current Pro 1 style camera? Panasonic, Olympus (sort of) and Sony, and I expect that R-1 of Sony's to be the end of the line as far as they're concerned. So yeah, Canon did like nearly everyone else and put their R&D where the money is, the DSLR. It's unfortunate that you would like to have a camera that the majority of users out there evidently do not, but what's wrong with your Pro 1 now? Did it break when they stopped producing it? Are you going to go buy a Pany FZ50 and one of their new flashes? What are you going to do with your new flash when Panasonic discontinues their FZ cameras to "push" users into a DSLR? I guess you'll have to rebel and stop taking pictures all together, maybe take up drawing instead.

Good luck,
Conan

I'm not positive about this year's crop of SDxxx cameras, but if you flipped over last years model's I'm pretty sure they were all made in Japan. Canon's one of the few companies that still manufactures quite a few of their products in Japan.

Here we go again....This sure seems strikingly like your last post about how you will never buy a DSLR again. You just don't sound like a very happy person. Here is a thought, take your Pro1 and instead of gritching about Canon and Cash Cows, go take some really good pictures and share those with us. You have the right equipment.

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Bob - although I am with you on the wish for a new Pro2, and will not likely get a dSLR soon, and although I do believe Canon could sell many of them at a high price and should do so - there is probably not going to be a Pro2.

On the other hand, this forum has enough of these threads anyway, and I do believe they won't help us convince Canon that they should make a Pro2.

For anyone who is not Bob - if you don't like those threads - move on. There's no point in getting personal against Bob. Read other threads. Let him vent if he wants. The more you react, the longer you keep the thread you don't like in the front page. Leave it - and it will be gone. Deal?
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Canon are messing with us enthusiasts. I am buying new cameras like they were disposables. I am spending thousands trying to get a decent kit to take wide to tele and macro. So far I need at least 2 cameras. I am popular though because I am giving my older cameras to others.

Sony has a 10Mp sensor and they put it in their R1 which is strange beast. Now we are finding that sensor in other cameras and Canon will have to follow. The Panasonic Fz50 looks like a winner. What are Canon doing to match that? Surely they have something special for us soon. I bet Bob will hang in there and get the latest marvel from Canon. We are being milked by an expert company.

If enough of you feel that way, Canon will change. Think about how Star Wars afficianados feel. After Lucas says he will never release the originals on DVD, he does it. After all fans have purchased the Special Editions! Good grief

Companies are profit maximisers.

Hi Bob and all,

To your post I agree and also disagree.

I agree that it is a great pity that we are experiencing the demise of small but highly qualified cameras with real viewfinders and decent manual controls. My German photo magazine commented recently that the average picture quality 5 years ago on compacts with of 3 - 4 mP was higher than today. But today they are selling much more of this "quality reduced" stuff. Says it all I think. Also I gladly repeat my view that for the average user of these compacts (who you will not find here) every button for setting anything on the camera is a hazard for his pictures and not a help.

Where I slightly disagree is for the necessity of a Pro 1 or similar.

My philosophy is that if you use any camera that is large enough to have to be carried in a separate bag, you can just as well use an DSLR, which is not that much bigger. The S3 is a border case, and I find it justified because it gives wonderful possibilities for telephoto photography. But again, here I would now prefer the A700 because of the pocketability.

Cheers, Ralph
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mjs818 said:

If enough of you feel that way, Canon will change. Think about how
Star Wars afficianados feel. After Lucas says he will never
release the originals on DVD, he does it. After all fans have
purchased the Special Editions! Good grief

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OT, but since you mentioned it - the original versions he's putting out are non-anamorphic, so they're not something I want to watch on my HD set.

Mark

I couldn't have said it better myself. Let Bob moan, groan and spit (alone)
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Wowsers

Bob you got the most response I've ever seen on your last post about SLR's. You need to take up yoga or something to help you relax. Best wishes.

n/t

OvinceZ said:

will have to follow. The Panasonic Fz50 looks like a winner. What
are Canon doing to match that?

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Have you seen the sample images from the FZ50? They're awful.

I think we get caught up in these constant new announcements of cameras. The Pro1 and by extension so would a Pro2, are significant cameras that cost too much to constantly release a new version.

I'm an eternal optimist and have faith in CANON to come out with a camera for those of us that want to upgrade there G or PRO1 camera to a new version of that camera.

I too have a Canon flash that is waiting to be placed on top of a newly released Canon camera other than their D-SLR line.

I also still believe in Santa .... at least in spirit

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ShutterNot,

Thanks for you observations. I also think the economics of a Pro2 or G7 make it very unlikely that any upgrade is likely particularly with entry level DSLRs coming down in price.
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Bob,
'There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept.' Ansel Adams
Great Pro1
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Come on people take some responsibility for your actions. Nobody
twisted your arm to by a Canon or Nikon, or whatever. If you buy
something then don't like it then theres no one to blame but you.
I call it buyers remorse. No camera company owes us the perfect
camera. It is our responsibilty to research, compare, and decide.
And if a camera company goes belly up and leaves us hanging with

a bag full of lenses well then thats just tough because there are no absolutes in life, period...

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Ralph

What you say makes sense. I have already moved to dslr for their advantages and prosumer for easy to carry and pocket camera for everywhere. I have decided that I will pay the extra price for longer life and not pursue the cheap plastic creations that yell megapixels but don't deliver when asked.

I think that there are increasingly a lot of cameras that are being built to a price and are no more than snap-shot boxes. They keep a lot of people happy and are worth while for that reason. However the quality camera of any size and description is going to be relatively expensive.

Unfortunately we are increasingly wrong to buy a camera on specification but have to buy on photographic results. Photographic results are also very much influenced by the ability of the photographer.

A dunce with the best camera only gets lucky. An experienced person with a great camera gets lucky more often and can probably squeeze better images out of lesser gear.

Consequently it is getting harder to pick "great" cameras.

Canon seem to be going down the track of being a "Kodak-style" company with their digital cameras. (With profuse apologies to Kodak). I have to explain myself - nothing bad about Kodak gear - its just good solid dependable middle of the road unadventurous "can't go wrong with a Kodak" style of gear. Hardly enough to make you wake up in a cold sweat but as "everybody" has one it must be good and I want one as well ...

Sells them heaps of cameras but it increasingly not going to be a camera for those who want to be closer to the cutting edge.

Their dslr range is something else of course but the lens business is so profitable that they must be happy to rest on their digital laurels and just keep selling reliable dependable stodge. That is - as long as there are enough people lining up to buy. They lost me of course at about the Pro1. This was the first Pro1 with the "bad" firmware. But even with better firmware they had to discount it out to get rid of the last stocks.

Some very happy people out there with Pro1's who have never tried an FZ30.

If Canon can't come up with the Pro2 real soon then they might as well see if they can incorporate easy-share into their current line up. They are well on their way to becoming the Box-Brownie replica producer.

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Here we go again ..... Remember the FZ30 samples were "awful" as well - Panasonic cleaned up and sold a mess of FZ30's.

Go try a FZ50 and if you don't like it then wait for the Pro2 ... guess you might be waiting whilst those with the FZ50 will be smilng and smiling.

Fact is that the FZ30 is a much better camera than the Pro1. Don't argue with me as I have both and still use them both. The Pro1 has its strengths and is a great camera and take great pictures but the FZ30 is a much better camera "experience" and the images are not noticeably different taken by the same guy under the same conditions.

I too believed that Canon might still produce an innovative digital prosumer but as far as I am concerned the last innovative non-dslr they built was the Pro90. The Pro1 was intended to be another technological tour-de-force but they must have had all sorts of problems bringing it to market.

First they scrapped the IS feature and made-do with a pinoccio-nose lens. If they had managed a 10x optical image stabilised and internal zoom/focus with direct manual operation they would still be selling that sweet little bodied "Pro-number" to a bunch of supportive enthusiasts. Canon couldn't (or wouldn't) do it but Panasonic did it and made 12x optical to ring the bell.

For all the carry on about this and that it is pretty obvious that Canon can do it but doesn't want to make a Pro2. I suppose they fluffed the Pro1 so they could fluff a Pro2 as well - might be too big a loss of face?

Consequently we just have to buy the cameras that suit and if it is good old middle of the road unadventurous reliability that sells truckloads of cameras well it is obviously working for Canon.

.... but perlease ... don't give us "I wouldn't buy an FZ50 because their sample pictures are 'no-good'"

Thousands and thousands of sales will say "I don't believe you".

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