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Well said and I agree. The F30 isn't a bad camera at all. It's primary claim to fame is it's ability to go a bit higher in ISO than other comparative cams. This feature is great for those who truly like ISO 800 & 1600 images. However, beyond that unique ability the SD700 really seems to pass it. Personally, a camera being used at ISO 800 & 1600 doesn't float my boat but they can be useable for small prints I suppose.

What get's me are all the "Fuji Fan Boys" who immediately ran over here with obvious jealousy following Simon's review and in some cases rage and flat out silly comments. There are some regulars like "Sinan" and a few others whom I respect greatly who make sensible and reasonable pro's and cons about both canon and fuji (which he both has in his colletcion).

However, the "Troll Patrol" is clearly in full form. LOL. Funny, the Casio, Sony & Pany folks didn't run over here to engage in similar silly slams. The SD700 was directly compared to the Panny which clearly came out behind. I have great respect for the Pany folks. Simon will no doubt like the F30 and express some clear dislikes just as Jeff did at DCResource. The "Fuji Fan Boys" will take him to task . . . watch. Now watch who goes ballistic over what I just said . . . LOL !!!
 
If it doesn't freeze motion, then it by no means gains any real 'stops' when pitted against high ISO (fast shutter) performance. Hence... high ISO + fast shutter speed > OIS. Particularly when the F30's ISO 1600 is comparable to the SD700's ISO 800... if not better.
CobraWing said:
OIS doesn't need or require a "disclaimer". It doesn't because
it's not "claiming" to freeze subject motion, so why would it need
to "dis-claim" that it doesn't stop motion. Unreal.

Look, at some point the end user is expected to do a little
homework and understand what features do and do not do. There has
never been any claim from Canon or Panny that OIS stops subject
motion. It is however extremely effective in minimizing normal
camera jitter which ruins far more images than the subject suddenly
moving away from the photographer!

Should General Motors issue a "disclaimer" that their vehicles
cannot take off like a helicopter? Of course not. Such a notion
would be just as silly as Canon issuing a "disclaimer" that OIS
can't convince your subject to get back in the frame and remain
still ! LOL
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Well, first of all, I have to say I'm a devoted fan of the Fuji F30.

After having purchased the F30, I can no longer look at my old Canon SD550 anymore as anything but a toy camera.

But I have to agree with everyone else on this thread that the F30 fanboys are REALLY annoying. The F30 is great, but it doesn't make everything else a cráp camera, especially after seeing (and beng surprised by) the sample shots and comparisons in this review. I'd still choose the F30 hands down, and I'd recommend the F30 to pretty much anyone who asked me, especially given the price and manual controls of the F30 compared to the other two main compacts (SD700 and FX01). But... you've got to give respect for the judgements and opinions of others, and the F30 is not flawless either. Purple fringing is extreme (although it's not a problem that bothers me, it's an issue for others). xD is not a plunge everyone is willing to make. And there is a slight tendency to overexpose in super-bright environments, which is worse than the slight underexposure of other cameras.

F30 might be a better camera in my opinion, and maybe a lot of others, but it certainly doesn't make anyone who chooses another camera wrong, and it certainly doesn't make them a dumb consumer.
 
I agree with Nathan on every point he mentions here - right on - seriously right on. I love the F30 quite a lot too and am impressed with it in every regard ive tried it in (daylight shots, sharpness ,low-light, etc. etc..) but this doesnt mean its the only cam and that others cams deserve no respect either. Sure, the F30 is a great cam, however the SD700 is too and there are others (I think the new Samsung NV7 looks and sounds promising - it looks great on paper - but we're yet to see how it does in real-life). Anyways, point is there isnt just one good camera and everything else sucks like some other people might get you to think. There are just pros and cons to everything and all cams have pros and cons, no matter how perfect people try to portray them as.
Nathan Yan said:
Well, first of all, I have to say I'm a devoted fan of the Fuji F30.

After having purchased the F30, I can no longer look at my old
Canon SD550 anymore as anything but a toy camera.

But I have to agree with everyone else on this thread that the F30
fanboys are REALLY annoying. The F30 is great, but it doesn't make
everything else a cráp camera, especially after seeing (and beng
surprised by) the sample shots and comparisons in this review. I'd
still choose the F30 hands down, and I'd recommend the F30 to
pretty much anyone who asked me, especially given the price and
manual controls of the F30 compared to the other two main compacts
(SD700 and FX01). But... you've got to give respect for the
judgements and opinions of others, and the F30 is not flawless
either. Purple fringing is extreme (although it's not a problem
that bothers me, it's an issue for others). xD is not a plunge
everyone is willing to make. And there is a slight tendency to
overexpose in super-bright environments, which is worse than the
slight underexposure of other cameras.

F30 might be a better camera in my opinion, and maybe a lot of
others, but it certainly doesn't make anyone who chooses another
camera wrong, and it certainly doesn't make them a dumb consumer.
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"Sinan" once you again you are the voice of reason. I have to praise Nathan as well here. Very well said Nathan. I'm proud of you. You may catch hell for saying what you said when you get back to the Fuji forum but you'll always have a home here.

There is no reason why the Canon SD700 -AND- the Fuji F30 can't BOTH be fine cameras for people! The sudden rush of so many Fuji folks who ran over here to slam the Canon just because it received a good review is unfortunate. The Sony, Pany and Casio folks are to be praised for their polite restraint here. Not all Fuji fans are this way. There have to be some great folks over there.

But what some of these people did here in dragging the little Canon through the mud in this thread just because it received a good review is just wrong. I hope the Fuji receives a good review as well and I hope our Canon folks tip our hats once that review comes out just as the Casio, Pany and Sony fans did.
 
Who was talking about Fuji or Canon or Fanboys? The point of discussion was OIS, and the necessity or lack thereof of it. Perhaps you meant to respond somewhere else in this thread?
 
Nope . . . I put it right where it belongs and it very much follows the flow of what we were just discussing. Have a literate adult read the last few posts and explain it to you. I don't have time for such silliness. I meant every word said . . . although I bruised your little Fuji ego huh? So sad . . . too bad. YOU are precisely the type of "TROLL" we were just talking about. You give the Fuji folks a bad name . . . not that you'll much care.
 
Some of them even accused Simon of being a "fanboy" of Canon cameras, which I don't agree with. Even he said it himself in his conclusion of the review of the SD700 that prior to reviewing the camera his initial thought was "this was just going to be another pretty, but slightly disappointing 'style' camera." There is no bias here. FWIW, all the past SD cameras never received a "highly recommended" mark by him. Regardless, had Simon's conclusion been "recommended" for the SD700 I still would've been content with my camera. The camera I prevously had owned, the SD500, got only "recommended" mark yet it didn't dissuade me from purchasing it.
 
Your 100% right. This is my second time around in these forums. Years ago there was a spirit of sharing information and exchanging ideas. Now it's been reduced to a daily slam of the choices of equipment that others have been happy with. It's almost as if we have a collection of people who are determined to make others feel bad about "anything" they bring home.

Every review is being chastised as bias with consipracy theories abound. Frankly, I think I'm done with these forums. I'll miss a number of good people here like yourself, Gail, Sinan, PC Wheeler, Isabel and a bunch more. I'm just sick of the daily routine here now of people trying to convince others their equipment is junk. Good luck to all the good people here and there are many. However, sadly the tone here has just shifted to too much ugliness and intolerance. Take care folks!
 
Yes, I give Fuji folks an awful name because I talked about OIS not freezing subject motion. Interesting logic. I'm sorry it upset you to the degree that you resort to name calling. How.... "adult" of you.
CobraWing said:
Nope . . . I put it right where it belongs and it very much follows
the flow of what we were just discussing. Have a literate adult
read the last few posts and explain it to you. I don't have time
for such silliness. I meant every word said . . . although I
bruised your little Fuji ego huh? So sad . . . too bad. YOU are
precisely the type of "TROLL" we were just talking about. You
give the Fuji folks a bad name . . . not that you'll much care.
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I no longer pay attention to the criticisms; I'm all for critiquing a camera but after awhile the same negative messages gets old, real quick. Then, there are those who feel the need to thump their chests just so to make them feel better at having purchased their camera, that the purchase was "justified," whereas those who purchased the SD700, for example, "made a big mistake." I think it's hilarious.

Bottom line is, I suppose, SD700 owners can't win. If Simon didn't give the "highly recommended" rating, the naysayers would've said "I told you so." I'm very happy with the SD700. There is no doubt in my mind that Canon will eventually release a model that will give Fuji a run for its money in the lowlight department.
 
I was a huge Fuji F10 fan when it first came out (still am), but I have to admit there are a few select members in the Fuji forum (Cubensis being at the top of the list) who's only purpose seems to be to bash anyone or anything that goes against Fuji's "supremacy." I even suspect it may just be 1 or 2 users with multiple accounts.

The F10/F11/F30 are great cameras with their share of problems. Right now the SD700IS is at the top along with the F30 in my opinion. They take very different approaches to achieve their "greatness" and it would be hard to find a compact cam user that doesn't fall in love with at least one of them!

By the way, they are hordes of F10/F11/F30 lovers who aren't in here bashing canons. It only takes a few bad apples.

-vissa
 
I have the SD550, although I have to admit I've never used the SD700 (all the models at the brick/mortar stores are non-working, darn!). Judging from the sample pics, however, I have to say that the SD700 is an improvement over the SD550, especially with Image stabilization (I can't tell you how many blurry shots I've had). Also notice the vastly improved corner softness (the blue watch at the bottom right).

You can look at dpreview's standard test image for yourself:

Canon SD550,SD700 @ ISO50,80

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonSD550/samples/comparedto/CanonSD550_ISO50.JPG

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonSD700IS/Samples/Comparedto/Canon_SD700_ISO80.JPG

Canon SD550,SD700 @ ISO400

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonSD550/samples/comparedto/CanonSD550_ISO400.JPG

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonSD700IS/Samples/Comparedto/Canon_SD700_ISO400.JPG

You can also see the sample crop strips too (I'd personally open them up in tabs in Mozilla firefox, then Ctrl+Page Up/Page Down to switch back and forth between them):

Crops

Canon SD550,SD700 @ ISO50,80

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonSD550/samples/crops/CanonSD550_ISO50-crop.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonSD700IS/Samples/crops/Canon_SD700_ISO80-crops.jpg

Canon SD550,SD700 @ ISO400

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonSD550/samples/crops/CanonSD550_ISO400-crop.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonSD700IS/Samples/crops/Canon_SD700_ISO400-crops.jpg
 
I'm not sure I've seen anyone directly bash the SD700 here in this thread... in fact, many people here seem perfectly pleased with it, and it seems like a good model - most us take DPReview's comprehensive camera reviews as pretty sound advice on the quality of a camera.

I don't know if OIS has been harped on to the degree that their is a real disdtain and sensitivity in discussing it, but my comments (if you are referring to my comments) were a civil discussion on the limitations of OIS... and by no means a bash on Canon or the SD700. It doesn't seem these things can be discussed without serious anger erupting.
RhoadsV said:
I no longer pay attention to the criticisms; I'm all for critiquing
a camera but after awhile the same negative messages gets old, real
quick. Then, there are those who feel the need to thump their
chests just so to make them feel better at having purchased their
camera, that the purchase was "justified," whereas those who
purchased the SD700, for example, "made a big mistake." I think
it's hilarious.

Bottom line is, I suppose, SD700 owners can't win. If Simon didn't
give the "highly recommended" rating, the naysayers would've said
"I told you so." I'm very happy with the SD700. There is no
doubt in my mind that Canon will eventually release a model that
will give Fuji a run for its money in the lowlight department.
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Well, I owned the SD500 which is basically the same camera as the SD550. In my personal comparisons of the two cameras, I have to say the SD500 produced more detailed and slightly sharper pictures in very bright conditions, but not always though, as pictures at times would still look soft (which is why I still found myself post-processing some of my pictures). The drawback, of course, is that purple fringing is pretty strong on the SD500. But whenever light would diminish such as presence of shadows, the SD500 proned to show more noise. That said, the SD700 still does a fantastic job at producing decent pictures - the colors are smooth and very nicely saturated. I especially like the flesh tone of people on the SD700 better than SD500's; they look more natural to me. In the lowlight department, forget it, there is no comparison: SD700 easily wins.
 
I wasn't talking about you Cubensis, and I think some others may have jumped the gun a bit. The only person who was really being an ss here was PixSurgeon and all his early posts on the 1st page. [Rolls eyes]

Everyone breathe a sigh of relief! And rejoice at our era of technology where there is not simply one but multiple cameras that can be described as excellent photography machines! More quality choices in the market is never a bad thing.
 
Agreed, stiff competition keeps the camera's rolling out at a steady and constantly improving pace. I don't think any camera is worth calling names or getting angry about - I was really more interested in the general feature discussion about OIS, ISO's, and different approaches being used by different companies to acheive similar ends.
Nathan Yan said:
I wasn't talking about you Cubensis, and I think some others may
have jumped the gun a bit. The only person who was really being an
ss here was PixSurgeon and all his early posts on the 1st page.
[Rolls eyes]

Everyone breathe a sigh of relief! And rejoice at our era of
technology where there is not simply one but multiple cameras that
can be described as excellent photography machines! More quality
choices in the market is never a bad thing.
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