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As painful as it may have been, the switch to SD was necessary to facilite a reduction in camera size. It is also a switch that occured across multiple different catagories of electronic devices. The upside is that SD is now the "standard". I just did a quick scan and it looks like SD was available in cameras at least a year before xD hit the market.Fair enough.The OP of this thread was that xD is "hindering" Fuji. The use of
xD obviously hasn't killed ALL of Fujis' sales, but a very strong
case could be made that it has killed SOME of their sales. I think
that clearly meets the definition of "hindering".
This thread just makes me laugh because ALL of these same arguments
came up when the SD standard was released. It will happen again
with the next type of memory. It's just human nature for people to
complain unfortunately.
It's not just the technical inferiority. It is also compatibility issues, cross camera support, higher prices, and blatant corporate greed/ignorance.I know it's inferior, but what makes the inferiority a deal-breaker
rather than a fairly minor annoyance?
Petteri
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Only when Fuji intentionally handicaps the CF transfer rates.XD is faster on a Fuji than a CF.Yes and no; it's just a memory format, I will buy a product
regarless of what the flash memory type is (I have a PSP as well),
my Olympus uses SM and the Panny uses SD, if the camera takes good
pictures, great. However, xD is slow, like SM, that's its downfall,
IMO. And pricey compared to even MS Duo.
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In other words, there is no practical upshot. Thank you, that's what I thought.It's not just the technical inferiority. It is also compatibility
issues, cross camera support, higher prices, and blatant corporate
greed/ignorance.
I suggest you need to re-examine the priorities of other photographers. For my needs, it is more like $100 to $200 worth of memory cards and hardware. Seriously.In other words, there is no practical upshot. Thank you, that'sIt's not just the technical inferiority. It is also compatibility
issues, cross camera support, higher prices, and blatant corporate
greed/ignorance.
what I thought.
Again, if the only thing that's stopping you from buying a camera
is the horrible prospect of having to drop another fifty bucks on a
memory card, I suggest you re-examine your priorities. Seriously.
Petteri
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--People spend a small fortune on buying and selling cameras but yet
complain about having to spend $50 for 1GB xD H card.
Boohoo.
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Agreed. I personally would keep the storage tank in the safest place possible, and unless you are staying in a hostel, your hotel room is probably the best bet.The laptop or storage tank won't do you much good when you're outHowever, note that many people taking extended trips start debating
whether they should buy a laptop to store their images or one those
expensive storage banks (I don't know the exact name). So even with
their cheap flash memory, they still buy MANY cards and still to
find have to secure hard disk storage in the interim.
for the day and you left them in the hotel. If using one of these
devices you generally leave them locked up in the hotel on the off
chance that your camera is stolen during the day. You will lose
that days photos, but everything else that was backed up will be
safe and sound in the hotel.
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First of all I haven't danced around any issues. drwho9437 made was the one who dismissed the F30 for the lack of external charger and use of xD here...That's precisely what I'm trying to get you to tell me: what,
exactly, are your needs that you absolutely have to have 2-4GB of
storage and a second battery + charger for your pocket camera? For
some reason, though, you keep dancing around that particular
question...
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Like you, I usually don't shoot more than 300 photos a day, but the few times I have, I was thankful for the extra cards. While rare, I have burned through 6GB in one day on my dSLR and had to dump memory cards midday.Agreed. I personally would keep the storage tank in the safestThe laptop or storage tank won't do you much good when you're outHowever, note that many people taking extended trips start debating
whether they should buy a laptop to store their images or one those
expensive storage banks (I don't know the exact name). So even with
their cheap flash memory, they still buy MANY cards and still to
find have to secure hard disk storage in the interim.
for the day and you left them in the hotel. If using one of these
devices you generally leave them locked up in the hotel on the off
chance that your camera is stolen during the day. You will lose
that days photos, but everything else that was backed up will be
safe and sound in the hotel.
--
Nick
place possible, and unless you are staying in a hostel, your hotel
room is probably the best bet.
At Sonyad's comment, and as I mentioned earlier, even with a
"measley" 1GB storage card, that will get me through at minimum a
full day's worth of shooting, and probably more like 2 - 3. I
shoot a lot on my trips, but not usually over 300 photos a day.
How pompous and superior!It's definitely a downside, but not big enough that it kept me from
buying it. I bought a 1GB card for my F30, which fits about 700
frames, and am treating it like built-in memory. My dSLR uses CF
cards, which are too big for tiny cameras anyway.
Would I prefer that it used SD/MMC? Yes. Do I consider this a major
problem? No. And, in fact, I think that anyone who feels that
memory format is a deal-breaker would do well to reconsider their
priorities.
That is a problem too, but unsolvable at the moment.Oh, and lenses. You better avoid Canon SLRs and Nikon because the
lenses are only for that brand.
Were can I buy a bunch of 1GB - 4GB memorycards for $5 ?And those require a real
investment, not the 5$ that your old memory cards are worth.
for me, its not really about the money. I can afford to re-buy my memory if I had to.Perhaps others could be boycotting the format for reasons ofIt's definitely a downside, but not big enough that it kept me from
buying it. I bought a 1GB card for my F30, which fits about 700
frames, and am treating it like built-in memory. My dSLR uses CF
cards, which are too big for tiny cameras anyway.
Would I prefer that it used SD/MMC? Yes. Do I consider this a major
problem? No. And, in fact, I think that anyone who feels that
memory format is a deal-breaker would do well to reconsider their
priorities.
principle rather than the greasy dollar. In my view it is those who
place personal expediency above principles that might do well to
reconsider their priorities.
How is xD memory proprietary?I just don't feel its NECESSARY to encourage vendor-lockin with
such things as prop. mem formats.
the cams that use such cards simply do NOT walk on water. they
aren't worth compromising my principles over.
Oh, but it's about 'principal' others say.The thought of people ( who are supposedly interested in
photography ) totally cutting themselves off from using a Fujifilm,
Olympus or Sony camera because of their memory format just totally
blows me away. The length of this thread has only reawakened me to
seeing how many imbeciles are inhabiting this planet Earth.
It may be available under licence but the point is it was a totally unneeded format. SD was already out there. xD exists solely to try and lock in first-time digicam buyers to their brand.How is xD memory proprietary?I just don't feel its NECESSARY to encourage vendor-lockin with
such things as prop. mem formats.
the cams that use such cards simply do NOT walk on water. they
aren't worth compromising my principles over.
That's your opinion and I respect that. I personally don't see it that way at all. What if a person bought a Nikon 950 which uses compact flash and the recently upgraded to a Nikon P3 that uses SD, they would have to switch regardless...It may be available under licence but the point is it was a totallyHow is xD memory proprietary?
unneeded format. SD was already out there. xD exists solely to try
and lock in first-time digicam buyers to their brand.
It is akin to microsoft constantly re-inventing the wheel with
microsoft versions of everything. Java, C#, .doc, html (due to the
non-standards adherent IE). Now MS have their own image formats too
I understand. Why? To force their monopoly on us all.
Most digicam buyers who buy Sony/Olympus type P&S cameras have no
clue about these issues. They are buying their first ever digital.
the clerk in the store isn't going to give them a lecture on the
finer aspects of format morality. They buy what is on the shelf and
they get suckered into a brand.
I'm suprised that so many people can't see that.
