thiago_silva
Leading Member
Seeing the announcement, this immediately came to my mind. A superzoom, with mechanical rings, and the low-noise high ISO of the Fujis? Hmmmmmm....
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Fuji S6500fd - The end of FZ30's reign?
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Copusmaximus
Senior Member
Yes usable high ISO and less noise....anything else...NOOOOOOO.. Cant even slip on an ext flash....DOH
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If I have uploaded an image don't hesitate to de-noise it, correct the WB, clone out dust and dead pixels, saturation, USM, resize, print and send me the result..
Also advice and criticise.
Kind Rgds
Heath
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FZ30
S7000(in sons hands now)
Tcon17
Raynox DCR 150 & DCR 250 Mcon40
Nikon SB24+omnibounce
Tripod
CamCane
thiago_silva
Leading Member
They probably tought: With ISO 3200, who needs flash, ha ha ha!
No IS, no swivel LCD, extending lens barrel instead of fixed, low res EVF, no aperture/shutter thumbwheels. It does go down to 28mm on the wide end, but only 300 at full tele.
If the rumors are correct then we may see the FZ30's successor on Monday - from Panasonic.
Copusmaximus
Senior Member
now you just being picky...lol... yes it does go to 28mm but 8mm of that is soft...
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Yvan/G2
Well-known member
Hmmmmmm.... Think again!
This new camera (like all known Fujis) has no optical image stabilizer. Fuji could certainly be at the top of the rated brands if they joined the pack with optical image stabilization (like Panasonic, Canon and lately Sony have aleready done). On the other hand, Panasonic could be THE leading brand if they had Fuji's sensors.
Who'll be the first to give us these two essential features (noiseless sensor and optical image stabilization)? For my part I think that Fuji has less road to cover than Panasonic. Someone must be sleeping on the switch at Fuji.
This new camera (like all known Fujis) has no optical image stabilizer. Fuji could certainly be at the top of the rated brands if they joined the pack with optical image stabilization (like Panasonic, Canon and lately Sony have aleready done). On the other hand, Panasonic could be THE leading brand if they had Fuji's sensors.
Who'll be the first to give us these two essential features (noiseless sensor and optical image stabilization)? For my part I think that Fuji has less road to cover than Panasonic. Someone must be sleeping on the switch at Fuji.
It's a "simple matter of money" issue, I think. To add all the features and quality we want would cost a lot of development and production money and push the camera's price out of the current prosumer range. Even though many of us, including myself, would be willing to pay the price to get what we want, would the mass market? I doubt it.
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AmanitaM
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Face recognition plus high ISO does not compensate for no IS, no hot shoe, no articulating LCD, XD card only and 4-AA batteries! What a joke!
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danny_only
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Hi Thiago,
IMHO this camera is aimed at different customers, Panasonic birders will mostly not interested in it. For sure it is not a FZ30 or FZ40 killer.
Its features and ergonomic design not as good as FZ30, plus the tele end of the lens is slow. Most importantly, no IS. It is not wise to use long zoom without IS, especially when the lens is slow. I experienced that when I used my F30 and Panasonic FZ1 in the Fuji F30 debut show.
Iso800 very usable, iso1600 needs heavy PP and photographic technique, iso3200 is a marketing gimmick.
The usefulness of its wide angle is off-set by softness at extreme wide angle, However, if one is not picky, still usable. There is a young man in Fuji Forum who could take excellent disco and music festival pictures with the s9500 (should be the same lens), very sharp, colorful and noise free pictures, so do not underestimate the capability of this lens, may not be as good as the Leica, still very good lens.
There are many people who have brought both Panasonic and Fuji cameras for they compliment each others. The posters in Fuji Forum are on average not too defensive, basically no taboo there, one can talk freely, especially those who have both Panasonic and Fuji cameras, may be because they knew they have the best CCD, but the optics and features of the cameras are not the best.
BR,
Danny
IMHO this camera is aimed at different customers, Panasonic birders will mostly not interested in it. For sure it is not a FZ30 or FZ40 killer.
Its features and ergonomic design not as good as FZ30, plus the tele end of the lens is slow. Most importantly, no IS. It is not wise to use long zoom without IS, especially when the lens is slow. I experienced that when I used my F30 and Panasonic FZ1 in the Fuji F30 debut show.
Iso800 very usable, iso1600 needs heavy PP and photographic technique, iso3200 is a marketing gimmick.
The usefulness of its wide angle is off-set by softness at extreme wide angle, However, if one is not picky, still usable. There is a young man in Fuji Forum who could take excellent disco and music festival pictures with the s9500 (should be the same lens), very sharp, colorful and noise free pictures, so do not underestimate the capability of this lens, may not be as good as the Leica, still very good lens.
There are many people who have brought both Panasonic and Fuji cameras for they compliment each others. The posters in Fuji Forum are on average not too defensive, basically no taboo there, one can talk freely, especially those who have both Panasonic and Fuji cameras, may be because they knew they have the best CCD, but the optics and features of the cameras are not the best.
BR,
Danny
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Barry Fitzgerald
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No jog dials
No OIS
XD format
Low res EVF
Not a winner...interesting idea, lets hope pannie buy some fuji sensors and use them! Then the FZ would be ultimate king of the hill! lol
Rossuziers
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johnat60
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Yeah, you would think they could combine the best features of both cameras which I think is doable, but probably unlikely.
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Sirandar
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Sorry IS is not better than high ISO. They are both very important for shooting.
Just try shooting a party indoors without a flash and you will truly understand advantages of high ISO (with low noise). A good flash can compensate for a limited usable ISO range but the flash will emphasize every little blemish on every face plus the red eye issues.
A perfect example of this is a shoot I did of a party in a restaurant. I packed my camera a external flash. Little did I know that I had left my flash ON and the battery was dead and I had no spares. The light was just low enough in the restaurant to require ISO400 (or more) or a flash. I usually bounce my external flash to get decent results but because my flash batteries were dead I had to use ISO400 or the built in flash.
The built in flash pictures turned out well but some people just look really ugly in flash pictires. My hit rate for ISO400 was only about 50% even with IS due to my shake or people moving. They were also soft. I really would have loved ISO1600 with IS in this situation.
That said this has only happened to me once since I had the FZ30 and most of the time a bounce flash is all you need.
I would love it if my most excellent FZ30 could be even more excellent by having a low noise ISO800+. In fact this is the only thing Panasonic can offer me to entice me to upgrade. What else could I want? Panasonic has backed themselves into a corner as far as upgrades are concerned IMO.
If Pana could but a 6-8MP sensor in the FZ30 that has an very usable ISO800 (like ISO200 on the FZ30) I would buy one tomorrow.
Sirandar
Just try shooting a party indoors without a flash and you will truly understand advantages of high ISO (with low noise). A good flash can compensate for a limited usable ISO range but the flash will emphasize every little blemish on every face plus the red eye issues.
A perfect example of this is a shoot I did of a party in a restaurant. I packed my camera a external flash. Little did I know that I had left my flash ON and the battery was dead and I had no spares. The light was just low enough in the restaurant to require ISO400 (or more) or a flash. I usually bounce my external flash to get decent results but because my flash batteries were dead I had to use ISO400 or the built in flash.
The built in flash pictures turned out well but some people just look really ugly in flash pictires. My hit rate for ISO400 was only about 50% even with IS due to my shake or people moving. They were also soft. I really would have loved ISO1600 with IS in this situation.
That said this has only happened to me once since I had the FZ30 and most of the time a bounce flash is all you need.
I would love it if my most excellent FZ30 could be even more excellent by having a low noise ISO800+. In fact this is the only thing Panasonic can offer me to entice me to upgrade. What else could I want? Panasonic has backed themselves into a corner as far as upgrades are concerned IMO.
If Pana could but a 6-8MP sensor in the FZ30 that has an very usable ISO800 (like ISO200 on the FZ30) I would buy one tomorrow.
Sirandar
Erik37
Senior Member
It could have been, not an heir, but a possible competitor to the
FZ30, unless Fuji had made the unfortunate decision to dumb down
the camera, most likely to protect S9x00 sales. Even though it's
bigger (!) than the already big s9x00, it has lost wheel, hotshoe,
cable release port, twist LDD.
I'm glad that Fuji put ISO before MP, but why not at least try to
make as good a camera as they are capable of?
Just my two öre
Erik from Sweden
F Z 5 and a pile of accessories
FZ30, unless Fuji had made the unfortunate decision to dumb down
the camera, most likely to protect S9x00 sales. Even though it's
bigger (!) than the already big s9x00, it has lost wheel, hotshoe,
cable release port, twist LDD.
I'm glad that Fuji put ISO before MP, but why not at least try to
make as good a camera as they are capable of?
Just my two öre
Erik from Sweden
F Z 5 and a pile of accessories
Sirandar
Forum Enthusiast
A hot shoe is a must ..... no question in my mind.
Sirandar
Sirandar
what would the s9000 be then?
Nah, Fuji missed a huge opportunity to gain the upper hand. On the contrary, the lack of IS may prove very costly when the new Panasonic FZ40/50 comes out...
Simply from a marketing point of view alone things like IS or a high MP count matter a lot for sales.
Fuji coming with this face focus krap ain't gonna dent a package of butter.
Nah, Fuji missed a huge opportunity to gain the upper hand. On the contrary, the lack of IS may prove very costly when the new Panasonic FZ40/50 comes out...
Simply from a marketing point of view alone things like IS or a high MP count matter a lot for sales.
Fuji coming with this face focus krap ain't gonna dent a package of butter.
MightyMike
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the main complaints i've seen on the fuji forrum is that it doesn't have OIS and they wish for an FZ30 with a fuji sensor
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thiago_silva
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Well, just complementing, when I said "end of reign" I actually wanted to say that it finally has a competitor, not that it has been surpassed. I don't quite see the other superzooms as direct competitors of the FZ30, they lay below...and the SLRS lay above because of price and different concept (i'm not considering IQ here). But the new Fuji seems to be the first one to actually "jump in" in the same category as the "Fluzi". Or not?
MightyMike
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The 28 to 300 F2.8 to F4.9 is slow and its optics are seriously lacking (this according to the fuji forum) they are hoping that the fact that its 6mp will not amplify the issues with the optics like the 9mp sensor did
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Toolio
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if Fz30 this, if s6500 that, etc...
They can make it and we should buy it, but they just don´t.
We are just like fish, they throw a little bait and we bite.
We shouldn´t buy anymore untill they make a decent cam.
but that just my opinion
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Better nonsense than no sense at all
They can make it and we should buy it, but they just don´t.
We are just like fish, they throw a little bait and we bite.
We shouldn´t buy anymore untill they make a decent cam.
but that just my opinion
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Better nonsense than no sense at all
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