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I once had a thread going on this forum about the cheap 1DsII manual. Be careful with any kind of critics on Canon products on this forum, you might get seriously harmed by selvprotecting enthusiast. Even my coffee grinder comes with a better manual. Just look at Juli Valley's reply - that's only a start.

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Andreas Knoop
http://www.fotografiskstudio.no/
 
Do you put a magnifying glass in your bag as well? And what do you do when the teeny weeny booklet doesn't answer many legitimate questions such a sophisticated camera would present? Or are you just so grateful that Canon gave you a cute little book that fits in your cute little bag, that you wouldn't dare complain about substance?
 
andkno said:
I once had a thread going on this forum about the cheap 1DsII
manual. Be careful with any kind of critics on Canon products on
this forum, you might get seriously harmed by selvprotecting
enthusiast. Even my coffee grinder comes with a better manual. Just
look at Juli Valley's reply - that's only a start.

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kind regards
Andreas Knoop
http://www.fotografiskstudio.no/
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The manual which comes with the 1dII is sh@t. There is nothing more to say about it.
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dalewalk said:
Do you put a magnifying glass in your bag as well? And what do you
do when the teeny weeny booklet doesn't answer many legitimate
questions such a sophisticated camera would present? Or are you
just so grateful that Canon gave you a cute little book that fits
in your cute little bag, that you wouldn't dare complain about
substance?
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What is it with this place that draws unpleasant jerks?

Juli made a perfectly fine comment on her personal preference and the handy size of the manual, nothing about the content, and you respond with sarcasm. Nice first post... welcome to dpreview, you'll fit right in.
 
That is an offensive, patronising and stupid post.

Keep on walking to another forum, Dale.
dalewalk said:
Do you put a magnifying glass in your bag as well? And what do you
do when the teeny weeny booklet doesn't answer many legitimate
questions such a sophisticated camera would present? Or are you
just so grateful that Canon gave you a cute little book that fits
in your cute little bag, that you wouldn't dare complain about
substance?
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Actually most of the buyers of 1D2 conduct so much of research before buying that they don't require a thick manual.

But people who are not used to the controls of the EOS series might need more time and information to get used to the controls. The information might appear to be pretty basic in the manual, but it is actually designed for the professionals who are not expected to ask questions related to basic photography etc. When you check the manual you will find that the info related to Custom functions are more as it is something which can't be mastered without reading the manual.

However, as a customer you can definitely demand more glossy, colourful brochures from Canon. How about something which can be kept on the coffee table. Afterall, the 1 Series is a huge ego booster
 
Hallo Wild Tiger, you may use your camera as an ego booster, for a prof. photographer it is a piece of equipment to get a job done. Of coarse if you have used Canon cameras for years its easy to get into new functions and find your way through the menues. But one has to be stupid not to recognise to cheapnes of 1D manuals. When I by a 5k camera I expect a modern style manual, with easy instruction, glossy paper, illustrated examples. If someone wants a smaller wallet version, there should be one in the package as well.
Even the small leaflet that came with my CF cards is nicer.

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kind regards
Andreas Knoop
http://www.fotografiskstudio.no/
 
andkno said:
Hallo Wild Tiger, you may use your camera as an ego booster, for a
prof. photographer it is a piece of equipment to get a job done. Of
coarse if you have used Canon cameras for years its easy to get
into new functions and find your way through the menues. But one
has to be stupid not to recognise to cheapnes of 1D manuals. When I
by a 5k camera I expect a modern style manual, with easy
instruction, glossy paper, illustrated examples. If someone wants a
smaller wallet version, there should be one in the package as well.
Even the small leaflet that came with my CF cards is nicer.

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kind regards
Andreas Knoop
http://www.fotografiskstudio.no/
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While it would be nice to have a glossy paper manual I think most of us are not ready to pay anything extra for it, and of course it would cost extra.

It's not my expectation at all anymore to get a printed manual nowadays, usually you get a large manual in PDF format or similar, on a CD. The pocket sized manual is fine for my needs but I would appreciate a comprehensive electronic reference manual.
 
Anders, did your car come with a CD manual or with a shiny book? What about the last time you bought a TV set? Did you have to download a PDF? How can a nice manual have a big impact on the price of a camera? Look at the D2X manual.

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kind regards
Andreas Knoop
http://www.fotografiskstudio.no/
 
andkno said:
Anders, did your car come with a CD manual or with a shiny book?
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A car is perhaps not a good example. If there is software involved though, like a PC, a camera, a printer the manual is nowadays often supplied on a CD. This is the case with my stationary PC, my laptop, my mobile phone, etc. Manufacturers are taking the chance to cut costs and a CD is cheaper than a printed manual, simple as that. Actually, I'd be surprised if car makers don't go this way eventually too, to save money.
andkno said:
What about the last time you bought a TV set? Did you have to
download a PDF?
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Well, actually in my case I don't have a regular TV, I use a flatscreen monitor (not a TV, just a monitor) and it has a brief user manual on paper, more extensive reference manuals in PDF format on CD, and downloadable service manuals on a web page.

Last time I bought a TV it didn't have a glossy extensive manual, it had a couple of flimsy pages with a sort of quick-start instruction, and a link to a home page for more support.
andkno said:
How can a nice manual have a big impact on the price of a camera?
Look at the D2X manual.
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I didn't say "big impact", I said it would "cost extra". We don't know how much extra, but I'm sure you're not as naive as to believe Nikon gives the manual away for free. The customer will always pay for what's in the package. I'll give you that the extra cost is not a deal breaker for the buyers though.
 
Hi,

I don't use my 1D 2 as a ego booster. I had to buy it because without it I was missing shots. I needed the AF speed, 45 point AF and the faster frame rate. Twice I was charged by tigers and I missed the shots because of the slower AF and only 7 point AF of my 10D. That forced me to buy the 1D2.

1D 2 no doubt has aspirational values. But I guess there would be lot of people in this forum like me who can't afford to buy the 1D2 just for the sake of ego.

As a consumer you can definitely demand more for your money. Ask Canon to give you a glossy thicker manual. No issues. Also a pdf manual can be bundled with it. It helps as the pdf version can be loaded in the laptop which I carry to the field. But if I would be asked whether I have to pay more for the manual, then I have to think twice.

I recently saw a Canon marketing brochure/book (20 odd pages) glossy, thick paper with photos. It was first prepared for 1DS and 1D and then the volume 2 is for 1DS2 and 1D2. It has examples of how to use and test shots etc. In Singapore it is available with Cathay Photo. I guess you can check with your local retailer.
 
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