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Canon- Give up on 1 series already!!!

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All these exteneded names 1DmkIIN, 1DsmkII, jeez c'mon?

Call the new pro line after the original F-1 name

F-1D, for top of the line model

F-1Dh, for high FPS burst capability model.

Then as each new gen. model comes out all Canon has to do is denote it with Roman numeral.

ie:

F-1D
F-1DII
F-1DIII
F-1DIV
F-1DV

etc. etc. etc.

ie:

F-1Dh
F-1DhII
F-1DhIII
F-1DhIV
F-1DhV.

etc. etc. etc.

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On the semi-pro line and lower how about bring back the "A" and "T" series?

A-1D: Replace the 5D with such.

T-90D: Introduce a new camera between today's 5D and 30D
T-70D: Replace 30D with such.
T-50D: Replace Drebel XT with such
T-30D: Introduce a new lower end model about $600 price.

Again as each new gen. comes out just add a Roman numeral to each model.

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I like the Legacy heritage of Canon cameras, it will be a cool way to reintroduce the names with new technology.

Just my 2 cents. :-)

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Bills nature photo said:
Has Canon noticed how many people
are trading 1Ds Mark II's for 5D's? Canon's " 1D Legacy" is
becoming an anchor!
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Customer needs play a very small role in Canon's product development plans; main efforts are going into lowering production costs of parts and are set my internal stakeholders ("print button" in order to sell more high-margin inks and paper). This situation is very bad for customers, but one can't really blame Canon: Any other company in the same situation would react the same. Underlying issue that Canon lacks competition and therefore has room for neglecting customer needs.

As customers, we can't rely on Canon anymore, all we can hope for is that the competitors will be doing better and therefore indirectly put Canon back on track again.

Personally, I'm fed up with Canon's behaviour since two years; switching costs are not that high, I wouldn't mind trading all my 35mm dSLR for better stuff: a compact, high-quality rangefinder (something like a digital "Leica M6") for in the field and a digital medium format equivalent (Mamiya ZD is already very close to my needs).
 
I can't agree with you more. the 1 series is very dated. It's basically based on the 1v from year 2000... not to mention, the 1v was also heavily based on its previous models of '1'

I agree with everything you say, the weight, the AF, and the battery (the charger is about the same size as a 350D body!)

I now use a 5D. Waiting for the next revamp...

But this post will only met with resistance here. Sometimes, things are best left unsaid. =)
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astefot said:
astefot said:
Has Canon noticed how many people
are trading 1Ds Mark II's for 5D's? Canon's " 1D Legacy" is
becoming an anchor!
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Customer needs play a very small role in Canon's product
development plans; main efforts are going into lowering production
costs of parts and are set my internal stakeholders ("print button"
in order to sell more high-margin inks and paper). This situation
is very bad for customers, but one can't really blame Canon: Any
other company in the same situation would react the same.
Underlying issue that Canon lacks competition and therefore has
room for neglecting customer needs.
As customers, we can't rely on Canon anymore, all we can hope for
is that the competitors will be doing better and therefore
indirectly put Canon back on track again.
Personally, I'm fed up with Canon's behaviour since two years;
switching costs are not that high, I wouldn't mind trading all my
35mm dSLR for better stuff: a compact, high-quality rangefinder
(something like a digital "Leica M6") for in the field and a
digital medium format equivalent (Mamiya ZD is already very close
to my needs).
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Why do you blame Canon for your use of equipment that doesn't fit your needs?
Maybe you should do more homework before buying? ;-)
 
Canon has already stated that they are working on Hydrogen cells as replacement for Li-ion and they see it as the future, so i guess they will be replacing the NiMh also, but i think IF and only if they have the same or better performence (in temprature-range).

As for AF .. well everyone would love having off-centre focussing points, but NO ONE has that (and why is that you think?). The focuspoints in the 1D are placed in the same range as the 30D and 5D + more.
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They didn't seem to feel any need to balance the lenses by attatching a brick to them or anything - it seems likely that they built the 1 series the way it is because that was the size it needed to be to fit in the batteries and so on, and NiMH batteries continue to have some advantages over Litium batteries.

It seems likely that as soon as they have a better battery system they are happy with they will re-design the 1 series, probably dropping the weight and bulk a lot.
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Please see profile for equipment
 
FretNoMore said:
Why do you blame Canon for your use of equipment that doesn't fit
your needs?
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I haven't understood my mail: I'm not blaming Canon (their beahviour is perfectly rational, any other company in a similar sitaution would do the extactr same things), I'm blaming the competitors (respectively the lack thereof).

Lack of alternatives is driving a lot of people into gear that they don't really like: The oversize and oberweight of the 1D models mentioned in the initial posting is a very good example.

As soon as the digital market has matured some more and a good model range as we had it in the film days is restored, my "issues" with Canon will be resolved. The best cameras I had did not have a Canon logo.
 
You voice out everythng I wanted to say about Canon 1. The distribution of the AF points are really strange, on one hand Canon asks you to frame first and then focus, but none of the 45 AF points are at "the desired points", humourous! Moreover, when in portrait mode, at 1/3 of the frame (eye level) there should be a cross-type sensor.

Recently exchanged my 1Ds2 with my friend's D2x, can't agree more. The Nikon sensor is clearly inferior, but many features of the body are worth adding to the future Canon. The battery is just too big and heavy, the Nikon is much smaller and yet still shoot similar no. of shots.

The 1 charger is a joke, I think Canon can make one with 1/4 the size; also stupid disign, you don't know at what stage it is charging, and you have to remember how it displays when finished (flashing at 2/sec). (Do you know how many chargers are with you when you travel with your family? Mobiles, shaver, PSP, iPod, laptop, rechargeable batteries, backup camera, Epson P4500....can we remember everything?) Show us like Nikon the percentage of recharging instead, at 100% we all know it is finished)

Pop up flash seems remote, and I don't like it. But I welcome a 220-sized(or a bit larger) flash that can zoom and bounce, I will definitely get one. (I own 550,580 and 220)

It seems it is too late now, and hope this will be available at 2010.:-)

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Tim Dolan said:
Now the one area I would definately like as far as overall design
is concerned is the reprogramable buttons (even if I have to hook
it up to the computer to make it happen
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Yes! I have told that to the guys at CPS several times. I would just love to have a single button which can be programmed.

Normally I shoot a lot in One-Shot, Single/center AF point, LowSpeed. But when something happens, I would love to just have to press one single button to get the camera in: AI Servo, all 45 AF points and HiSpeed.

Others will have different needs. But wouldn´t it be great to have such a button you could program yourself?

Regards,
Hans

http://www.wildpicture.com

 
NickMJr said:
Bills nature photo said:
If you think a pop up flash is a joke.. what self respecting
professional is shooting picture styles and direct printing to a
Canon printer? I guess the same ones who ripped 20 rolls through a
1V and then took them to Fotomat.
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I don't understand why the masses think that a pop-up flash is such
a joke, especially when you consider that now most Nikon camera's
use there built-in flashes to act as wireles flash controlers.
Canon does not offer such built-in functionality into there cameras
without having to buy additional equipment that adds more bulk to
the top of your camera.
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Why to use a joke flash as commander when you can use a real tool. No pro camera carry a pop-up flash - not even Nikon.
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Wildpicture said:
Tim Dolan said:
Now the one area I would definately like as far as overall design
is concerned is the reprogramable buttons (even if I have to hook
it up to the computer to make it happen
Click to expand...
Yes! I have told that to the guys at CPS several times. I would
just love to have a single button which can be programmed.

Normally I shoot a lot in One-Shot, Single/center AF point,
LowSpeed. But when something happens, I would love to just have to
press one single button to get the camera in: AI Servo, all 45 AF
points and HiSpeed.

Others will have different needs. But wouldn´t it be great to have
such a button you could program yourself?

Regards,
Hans

http://www.wildpicture.com

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When photographing motor sports I wish there was a quick way of switching between two different settings, two registrations of ISO/mode/exposure;- one high ISO/shallow-DoF setting for freezing action and one low-ISO/slow-shutter setting for panning. A programmable button that would let me switch quickly between those two would be great. And they could also use the button for the mirror lockup function everyone has been asked for for years as well.
 
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RDKirk
'TANSTAAFL: The only unbreakable rule in photography.'
 
astefot said:
astefot said:
Why do you blame Canon for your use of equipment that doesn't fit
your needs?
Click to expand...
I haven't understood my mail: I'm not blaming Canon (their
beahviour is perfectly rational, any other company in a similar
sitaution would do the extactr same things), I'm blaming the
competitors (respectively the lack thereof).

Lack of alternatives is driving a lot of people into gear that they
don't really like: The oversize and oberweight of the 1D models
mentioned in the initial posting is a very good example.

As soon as the digital market has matured some more and a good
model range as we had it in the film days is restored, my "issues"
with Canon will be resolved. The best cameras I had did not have a
Canon logo.
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RDKirk
'TANSTAAFL: The only unbreakable rule in photography.'
 
But of course, that proves your point...it took a big motor and a lot of AA batteries to get that fully mechanical hunk of titanium and steel up to even 3.5 fps.

The F-1 was called the "heavy battletank" in Japan.

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RDKirk
'TANSTAAFL: The only unbreakable rule in photography.'
 
RDKirk said:
astefot said:
RDKirk said:
Why do you blame Canon for your use of equipment that doesn't fit
your needs?
Click to expand...
I haven't understood my mail: I'm not blaming Canon (their
beahviour is perfectly rational, any other company in a similar
sitaution would do the extactr same things), I'm blaming the
competitors (respectively the lack thereof).

Lack of alternatives is driving a lot of people into gear that they
don't really like: The oversize and oberweight of the 1D models
mentioned in the initial posting is a very good example.

As soon as the digital market has matured some more and a good
model range as we had it in the film days is restored, my "issues"
with Canon will be resolved. The best cameras I had did not have a
Canon logo.
Click to expand...
--
RDKirk
'TANSTAAFL: The only unbreakable rule in photography.'
Click to expand...
 
WSLam said:
But this post will only met with resistance here. Sometimes, things
are best left unsaid. =)
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I agree that there are certain biases present here. But this is exactly why it is important to speak up.
 
astefot said:
astefot said:
Why do you blame Canon for your use of equipment that doesn't fit
your needs?
Click to expand...
I haven't understood my mail: I'm not blaming Canon (their
beahviour is perfectly rational, any other company in a similar
sitaution would do the extactr same things), I'm blaming the
competitors (respectively the lack thereof).

Lack of alternatives is driving a lot of people into gear that they
don't really like: The oversize and oberweight of the 1D models
mentioned in the initial posting is a very good example.

As soon as the digital market has matured some more and a good
model range as we had it in the film days is restored, my "issues"
with Canon will be resolved. The best cameras I had did not have a
Canon logo.
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No-one is twisting your arm or "driving you" to buy a specific product. There are seldom perfect choices, everything is a sum of good and not-so-good from your specific point of view and needs. You can't expect products that fit everyone's needs all the time. The very fact that you did buy the camera proves you liked the overall sum well enough.

At a given point new technology and new products will come along and you can switch if you feel it fits your needs better. Being "fed up with Canon's behaviour since two years" seems like a complete waste of energy to me, what good will that do other than drive your own blood pressure up?
 
astefot said:
astefot said:
But this post will only met with resistance here. Sometimes, things
are best left unsaid. =)
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I agree that there are certain biases present here. But this is
exactly why it is important to speak up.
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What's the use of moaning and whining after several years of 1D products, now that the product line is probably already at the end of its life cycle?

Your "input" based on these products is way too late for whatever is coming out next. The new generation is already designed, production lines set up and early samples are in the hands of the testers...
 
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