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Canon- Give up on 1 series already!!!

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PIXSurgeon said:
...I can't disagree more. I sense a slight contradiction here:
Canon has responded with a design and feature mix that is aimed at
MEETING the needs of a SPECIFIC market segment that is of strategic
value to Canon.
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Good thing clothing companies don't think the same way - we'd only have one size of clothing available. Same goes for monitors, computers, scanners, printers (why are there so many Epson Pro printers when the 9800 will do the job for everyone?), etc.

Canon has a one-size-fits-all attitude for pro cameras. If the 1DIIn were half the cost of the 5D, I would still have bought the 5D just because I can actually use it whereas I can't actually use the 1-series.

To me, the 1V and HS was a nice design - a well-built pro system with pro features and a well-designed separate grip that integrates into the camera well. For that matter, the EOS-3 was nice too. The 1D was a step backward but I understand why they did it at the time (had little choice). That reason doesn't exist now and they ought to consider reversing it so people who don't want one, don't have to have a heavy brick of a camera to get pro features and performance.

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Lee Jay
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PIXSurgeon said:
And, as side note, the most popular & regarded high-end 1D-class
camera in Pbase is the 1D MarkII+1D MarkIIn, with close to 500,000
images. That's more than D100/D200 and other combined... IMAGINE
that.
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Maybe that is just because the 8.5 fps means it is easier to capture more images with a 1d2 than any other camera. ;)
 
Lee Jay said:
To me, the 1V and HS was a nice design - a well-built pro system
with pro features and a well-designed separate grip that integrates
into the camera well.
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...the above setup you describe is structurally WEAKER, INFERIOR and NOT-ADEQUATE for the reliability and powering needs of an all-digital proposition, which was at the core of Canon's bet for large-scale migration of photographers working agencies like AFP, Reuters, or any other whose life was about to be substantially simplified with images that were digital from the get go. That's why it dissappeared, not because it was a step backward, etc, but because of film-to-digital EVOLUTIONARY adaptations. As a result, today 1D-bodies are better, more durable, more dependable than ANYTHING their cousins were before, regardless of who likes or dislikes them. It is the simple truth. And, above that, they adapt better to the demands of an all-digital cam that the frankensteinish battery-grips that look half-cooked, half-way-done when loaded on the camera (no pun intended, here).

Now, that's a much closer, much realistic view of what has REALLY happened, along the way.

Happy shooting!
 
...but that would mean a large amount of redundant, similar images... and they do not look like that to me.

I believe it is more of a PRICE issue (as I clearly implied on my answer): the 1DMKII/N are the lowest-priced 1D-class cams you can buy today, and that's a key reason for their popularity. There is nothing magic or new about this, indeed.

Happy shooting!
 
PIXSurgeon said:
...the above setup you describe is structurally WEAKER, INFERIOR
and NOT-ADEQUATE for the reliability and powering needs of an
all-digital proposition,
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...they did it because of the size of NiMH batteries - the best available for the job at the time. No longer.

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Lee Jay
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COME ON PEOPLE. You have got to be kidding me. The 1D series is excellent. Nit-picking over this or that, please? Probably have some Nikon trolls as well.

Honestly,IMHO, I see only two real things wrong with Canon digital cameras:

1. And this includes pretty much all manufacturers, not just Canon:

MORE DYNAMIC RANGE

2. Canon is great at telephoto lenses and super telephoto lenses.

BETTER WIDE PRIMES(24mm and lower)

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I have a love affair with light.
 
andkno said:
It must be possible to criticize a camera without beeing called
silly. That is silly. Critics are very often reason for improvement
and there is not one thing that could not be improved.
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Just because you don't like some aspects of the 1D series, doesn't mean you have no skills or that you are ignorant of it's capabilities.

If you are really skilled you can shoot with anything, and have some strong opinions about what you would like to change. A skilled craftsman can build a beautiful house with a stone axe. That doesn't mean that he won't have opinions about how to improve even the best power tools available.

I can shoot with a 1D series, a 20 D, or happily with a Nikon D2 series as long as it is at really low ISO. I just feel that Canon is crushing Nikon on the sensor front, and trailing on bodies. Pity as they have the technology to crush them on both fronts.

As for me, the next time (3rd) I buy a 1D series camera and remind myself why I find it limiting, maybe instead of selling it I will just keep it and use it as that stone axe:
 
Bills nature photo said:
Just because you don't like some aspects of the 1D series, doesn't
mean you have no skills or that you are ignorant of it's
capabilities.

If you are really skilled you can shoot with anything, and have
some strong opinions about what you would like to change. A skilled
craftsman can build a beautiful house with a stone axe. That
doesn't mean that he won't have opinions about how to improve even
the best power tools available.
I can shoot with a 1D series, a 20 D, or happily with a Nikon D2
series as long as it is at really low ISO. I just feel that Canon
is crushing Nikon on the sensor front, and trailing on bodies. Pity
as they have the technology to crush them on both fronts.

As for me, the next time (3rd) I buy a 1D series camera and remind
myself why I find it limiting, maybe instead of selling it I will
just keep it and use it as that stone axe:
it's less than perfect in this forum. You would think that I said
your baby or cat was ugly. I didn't, even though 70% of the
pictures of them are.
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Nice Bill, very nice graceful exit............always gotta thow a grenade on your way out don't you.???

Point well taken and previously mentioned by yours truly that a truly gifted photographer can take a stunning image with just about any hardware he has at his disposal, but this whole discussion wasn't about that now, was it? I believe it was you who started the whole "1D series is outdated and useless" now wasn't it?
You border very closely on the dreaded Troll label, methinks.
 
I agree with every point. I have been flamed and burnt for compalaining about Canon's weight and poor ergonomics. But isn't it rather late to talk about it this year? the new model/s are on the way right as we speak!
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The Lightmagician
Sun is my eye
Winds my breaths
Sky my open Mind.
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DancePhotographer said:
For me, the weight is spot on, too. If you slap on a decent size
telephoto or tele-zoom, nothing handles as well as a 1 series.
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Put that decent size telephoto and a few other lenses + two 1 -series bodies into backpack and see why I would like to have more slim version of that body in next release.

I'm traveling quite a bit and would like to have actually carriable cameras with me.
 
The 45 Point AF system is the best in its class available. Sure it can be improved but it depends where it lies in Canon's list of priorities.

Lot of wildlife shooters still use the focus and recompose method for compying to the rule of thirds. If it is not fast paced action, then one can use the manual focus for placing the eyes of animal and birds at the desired place. The 45 point AF if it can be spread slightly more and made more responsive, then definitely it would be welcome. If the sharpness during AI Serve becomes as sharp as the central point sensor than nothing like it. But it would be foolish to say that 45 point AF is bad.

I think some people might not want a 1 series body. When I was shooting with 1V, there were lot of people who were happily shooting with the EOS 3. I believe, canon might be trying to make the 5D a similar camera, which is lighter, doesn't have the build and functionality of the 1 series, smaller and lighter battery and chargers. People are happy with the 5 D. So people who know that handling a 1 Series is difficult for them because of weight, extra functions which they don't need, extra cost, better build quality etc, they can always choose the 5D. But please don't insist on putting a flash etc on the 1 series.

The 1 series is heavy but fits very well in the hands. But when hand held it appears to be stable (pros are not supposed to hand hold these cams).

As a customer, if you don't like a product you are free to junk it. But for heaven's sake don't ask Canon to junk the 1 series. 1 Series will always remain the best
 
I agree about the battery and I agree about the d2X (and d2h) having a nicer body. But it depends on what you do.

I have a 1Ds for almost 4 years now and I only find the body heavy when I don't use the camera, but when I start shooting with it everything comes to place. The stability of the camera/lens/flash system is oustanding: I really feel like I can do the impossible with my camera :)

The same about the AF: it also needs to be understood but even if not perfect is the best you can get, tracking in particular, verticals in particular.

The body is important but everyone should use the camera for some time in order to appreciate it or hate it. It looks to me that the vast majority of the professionals around the world don't mind a 1series body with a 70-200 or 24-70 or 300mm attached.

The "refrigirator" battery (like my friend film_rules likes to call it) is absurd, that's true. LOL

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andkno said:
It must be possible to criticize a camera without beeing called
silly. That is silly. Critics are very often reason for improvement
and there is not one thing that could not be improved.

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kind regards
Andreas Knoop
http://www.fotografiskstudio.no/
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I think a lot of what you see here is a reaction to the tone of the OP's post which has a touch of whining because Canon won't give him exactly what he wants. The opinons could have been presented in a more neutral tone and objective way.
 
Rootbeer said:
Take the camera away from everyone who have a very real use for it
so you can satisfy the needs of the guy who shoots birds..

JP
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http://www.onemodelplace.com/johnpaul

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Hey, not everyone thinks highly of model photography either... how do you judge what subject is more "worthy"?

I know what you mean to say but this has more to do with the person in question than what he shoots. There are legit nature photographers as well as photographers working in other genres.
 
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