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Hello,

Finally after many years of using Canon cameras I'm going to sell all my gear and change over to either Sony Alpha or Olympus 4/3..( or maybe Panasonic)

I've had a D30, D60, 10D, 20D and now have a 5D, along the way I've also had a 300D and 350D and i am SICK to the back teeth of sensor dust especially so with the newer cameras, 350D, 20D and "extra" expecially so with the 5D....Canon should market it as a Hoo100ver...

Anyway has anybody any thoughts on which would be the better changeover option, which manufacturers anti dust mechanism is better and whos image stabilizaton is better???

The lenses i currently have are 100-400L, 17-40L, 100Macro and a 28-105 which is unusable due to vignetting on the 5D (why was this not such a problem on the film bodies?)

I mainly shoot landscape and nature with some portraiture and macro thrown in...

Any advice would be appreciated. Anyone else left the Canon stable?
Any technology on the horizon I should wait for?

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GT
 
which ever camera you can find that's built in a certified Clean Room and well, never elaves it.

Best of luck!
exapp said:
Hello,

Finally after many years of using Canon cameras I'm going to sell
all my gear and change over to either Sony Alpha or Olympus 4/3..(
or maybe Panasonic)

I've had a D30, D60, 10D, 20D and now have a 5D, along the way I've
also had a 300D and 350D and i am SICK to the back teeth of sensor
dust especially so with the newer cameras, 350D, 20D and "extra"
expecially so with the 5D....Canon should market it as a
Hoo100ver...

Anyway has anybody any thoughts on which would be the better
changeover option, which manufacturers anti dust mechanism is
better and whos image stabilizaton is better???

The lenses i currently have are 100-400L, 17-40L, 100Macro and a
28-105 which is unusable due to vignetting on the 5D (why was this
not such a problem on the film bodies?)

I mainly shoot landscape and nature with some portraiture and macro
thrown in...

Any advice would be appreciated. Anyone else left the Canon stable?
Any technology on the horizon I should wait for?

--
GT
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What do you do, look at your sensor every 5 minutes and check for dust?

Unless you're shooting a blue skys all of the time the dust is not that big of a deal.
exapp said:
Hello,

Finally after many years of using Canon cameras I'm going to sell
all my gear and change over to either Sony Alpha or Olympus 4/3..(
or maybe Panasonic)

I've had a D30, D60, 10D, 20D and now have a 5D, along the way I've
also had a 300D and 350D and i am SICK to the back teeth of sensor
dust especially so with the newer cameras, 350D, 20D and "extra"
expecially so with the 5D....Canon should market it as a
Hoo100ver...

Anyway has anybody any thoughts on which would be the better
changeover option, which manufacturers anti dust mechanism is
better and whos image stabilizaton is better???

The lenses i currently have are 100-400L, 17-40L, 100Macro and a
28-105 which is unusable due to vignetting on the 5D (why was this
not such a problem on the film bodies?)

I mainly shoot landscape and nature with some portraiture and macro
thrown in...

Any advice would be appreciated. Anyone else left the Canon stable?
Any technology on the horizon I should wait for?

--
GT
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EOSMan
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but from the pricing online, the SONY lenses are very expensive; even more so than the equivalent Canon L glass. You mind want to keep that in mind. However, I don't know what Oly offers as far as glass so maybe SONY alpha is better.
 
I'm 'visiting' from the KM forum and quite surprised to see a post like this. Is dust that much a problem with Canon, or is it perhaps the environments you're using it in? Or even the way you change lenses??

I've only cleaned the sensor on my KM7D once in a year and a half and even then, it was only for one noticeable bit of dust which I must of picked up in Kenya on safari!

As for choice of camera, I think you could only go with the Sony, only because of the sensor size, not because it happens to be compatible with my kit! I would have thought that for shooting landscapes, the smaller sensors of the Olympus might be constrictive due to noise. Additionally, I think Olympus/Panasonic only have one lens with image stabilization, and with Sony, they all are.

Personally I think you're going to waste a shed load cash and still end up with some imperfection, but judging by the list of cameras you've had, you can obviously afford to experiment.

Good luck!

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DMalcolm
Growing kit list in profile....
exapp said:
Hello,

Finally after many years of using Canon cameras I'm going to sell
all my gear and change over to either Sony Alpha or Olympus 4/3..(
or maybe Panasonic)

I've had a D30, D60, 10D, 20D and now have a 5D, along the way I've
also had a 300D and 350D and i am SICK to the back teeth of sensor
dust especially so with the newer cameras, 350D, 20D and "extra"
expecially so with the 5D....Canon should market it as a
Hoo100ver...

Anyway has anybody any thoughts on which would be the better
changeover option, which manufacturers anti dust mechanism is
better and whos image stabilizaton is better???

The lenses i currently have are 100-400L, 17-40L, 100Macro and a
28-105 which is unusable due to vignetting on the 5D (why was this
not such a problem on the film bodies?)

I mainly shoot landscape and nature with some portraiture and macro
thrown in...

Any advice would be appreciated. Anyone else left the Canon stable?
Any technology on the horizon I should wait for?

--
GT
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DMalcolm
Growing kit list in profile....
 
exapp said:
Finally after many years of using Canon cameras I'm going to sell
all my gear and change over to either Sony Alpha or Olympus 4/3..(
or maybe Panasonic)
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You need to do whatever you think is the right decision but are any of these dust prevention systems actually proven to work? I mean, the theory sounds good and all and it might help reduce dust somewhat... but I would think the jury is still out.

If it were me, I would want to hear input from users who are out in real world conditions using these cameras on a daily basis.

It also depends on how serious you are about photography. Quite frankly, as far as I am concerned the only true contenders in the serious photography market are Canon and Nikon.
 
do you clean the sensor and how long does it take you? What are you using to clean? It sounds like it is a big hassle but I don't think it should be that difficult. To be honest, Canon has the best combination of image quality and glass. To abandon it would be a shame.
 
of the one who look at it !
Any dust is not a problem at all with Canon or other system.
I have 5d since March I think.
I have one (1) debris / dust on the sensor... A big one.
It took me 5 seconds to take care of it.
2000 pictures later ! I don't have dust.
I fact I have less dust in my 5d than I have in the 10d. Period.

And I use the 5D on a dusty environnement !



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But my photos are right, see them, critique them !
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I forgot to mention....

Both of my MkII bodies are just over two years old and have about 100K shots each. I shoot sports and am outside 95% of the time in every type of condition imaginable. Dust, dirt, rain, snow, etc. I swap lenses a lot. I finally cleaned my sensor for the first time a few weeks ago as some blobs were starting to show up at small apertures.

A chronic dust problem? Hardly.

But... I know we each have our own style... and if your portfolio is chocked full of sky scenes shot at f16 then I can certainly understand your concern.
 
exapp said:
Hello,

Finally after many years of using Canon cameras I'm going to sell
all my gear and change over to either Sony Alpha or Olympus 4/3..(
or maybe Panasonic)

I've had a D30, D60, 10D, 20D and now have a 5D, along the way I've
also had a 300D and 350D and i am SICK to the back teeth of sensor
dust especially so with the newer cameras, 350D, 20D and "extra"
expecially so with the 5D....Canon should market it as a
Hoo100ver...

Anyway has anybody any thoughts on which would be the better
changeover option, which manufacturers anti dust mechanism is
better and whos image stabilizaton is better???

The lenses i currently have are 100-400L, 17-40L, 100Macro and a
28-105 which is unusable due to vignetting on the 5D (why was this
not such a problem on the film bodies?)

I mainly shoot landscape and nature with some portraiture and macro
thrown in...

Any advice would be appreciated. Anyone else left the Canon stable?
Any technology on the horizon I should wait for?
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...the existing Minolta + the new Carl Zeiss combined lens system is fairly comprehensive and offers some unique and useful tools, even if on the pricey side. However, the only body you'll have until sometime next year will be the 5D, so make sure you can live with the somehat hobbled handling. Plus, Sony apparently is working on a way to extend dynamic range using high-speed CMOS sensors and advanced compositing technology. Who knows what he actual image quality may be like, but it certainly sounds cool.

The 4/3 system (I used to own an E-1) is nice for convenience/portability, but if it's quality you're after, the tiny pixels will leave you wanting in a lot of fairly common shooting situations.

Good luck!

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Garland Cary
 
exapp said:
Finally after many years of using Canon cameras I'm going to sell
all my gear and change over to either Sony Alpha or Olympus 4/3..(
or maybe Panasonic)
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Given what you say I must tell you that you might be asking in the wrong forum. There's Oly forum, Sony, etc, etc,
exapp said:
... with the newer cameras, 350D, 20D and "extra"
expecially so with the 5D....Canon should market it as a
Hoo100ver...
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I agree with you, if it is that bad...
exapp said:
..., which manufacturers anti dust mechanism is
better and whos image stabilizaton is better???
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Some non-interchangeable lens compact mechanism maybe?
exapp said:
The lenses i currently have are 100-400L, 17-40L, 100Macro and a
28-105 which is unusable due to vignetting on the 5D (why was this
not such a problem on the film bodies?)
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I don't agree. What happens is that with digital and big screens allowing to see pictures at huge sizes, people are more petty. I used film 35 bodies and always had vignetting with WA. What I surelly know is that now is far more easy to get rid of it with PP
exapp said:
Any technology on the horizon I should wait for?
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Wait for the future, within a few hundred years from now I think the dust won't be problem any longer, but of course someone will complaint about micro dust, vignetting on his 100mm 10GPixel sensor, etc, etc, etc,

My regards and good luck
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DM
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I do shoot a lot of F16 landscape shots and yes lots of blue skies and i'm sick of having to photshop the dirt out. Not too bad on a blue sky but on a textured overcast sky the "pox" comes right at you after a levels adjustment.

I also change lenses a lot...but that's what an SLR is for...

To be honest I was waiting for years for the "semi" affordabel 5D to come along and I do think it is worse for dust than all the other cameras i have owned.

Also why do lenses like my 28-105 show up so much vignetting, i don't remember it being as much of a problem shooting slide

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GT
 
I find it funny that you join the forum today and then make a big announcement that you are leaving canon becaust of dust, I got the D60 in October 2002, the 20D in september 2004 and the 5D in november 2005, my D60 and D20 still don't have dust but I got dust in the 5D a few weeks ago, so I used a rocket blower for 15mins and got of it,I have ordered the visible dust brush, at least its reusable, I am not going to buy into another system because of a bit of dust, and BTW I have cleaned my friend's fuji S3, and another friends Nikon d70 more than once, so if ypu're not a troll, learn to blow the sensor out once in a while

Regards, Lawrence

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I Wish I Had a Monkey's Paw
 
that's a tough one to believe.

Still, sounds like either Panasonic, Olympus or Sony would serve you better.

Considering, that is, you can live with the lower image quality - especially from the 4/3 offerings.
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Garland Cary
 
Lawrence,

maybe you should point your D60 and 20D at a the closest magnolia wall, set your aperature to F22, adjust your levels and be prepared for a lotta dirt.

Whether you notice it or not depends upon what you are shooting. Landscapes you definately do
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GT
 
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