Adobe acquires Pixmantec

Although not the giant that Adobe is, Corel has been packaging RSE
with their Photo Paint products as their RAW converter solution. It
would appear that Adobe may be taking a shot at Corel, forcing
Corel to look elsewhere for RAW conversion.
I bet thats the thinking behind it. Corel lag a bit in the RAW
dept, but PSP is a damn good product at a fine price...if they can
nail the RAW thing PS is in for a hard time anyway...

Corel is a pretty big company, maybe PSP 11 will be the real thing,
though X was good...
Having many friends who once worked for Corel and having worked with Corel in the past, I think the right term is "once" was a big company. Corel is pretty much a shadow of its former self. Then again the old CEO of Corel left much to be desired.
I wont ever buy PS...its so overpriced its not even funny........
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Armand Hirt wrote:
[snip]
I am specifically thinking about the
decision not to include support for new cameras in Adobe Camera RAW
unless you upgrade to CS2
[snip]

PS CS + ACR 2.4 supports PRECISELY the same set of cameras that PS CS2 + ACR 3.4 supports. No user of PS CS has had to upgrade just because of a new camera. (They may not like the DNG route, but that is a separate decision).
http://www.barry.pearson.name/articles/dng/ps_cs.htm
 
Yeah, I understand what your saying, but for the consumer it can
still be confusing and a mild irritation.
its not the best USER experience, I agree.

but often the implementation overrides any useability. case in point - the querty keyboard. that is NOT the fastest or best layout (in fact, it was done this way to SLOW people down so they wouldn't jam physical keys!).

now that all our typewriters and keyboard are electronic, why not convert over to something like dvorak? its better and faster. but people just are not used to it so it died, pretty much. even though it was a better tech idea than old querty was.

I want my cam to eject photos as quickly as possible. if they have to use a 'foreign' (not sensor native) encoding, that will ONLY slow things down and yet give the user only a very slight advantage. the info is exactly the same and yet now I'd have to use a slightly slower camera all in the name of 'standards'.

when the DNG encoding is truly free (no extra manuf or enginering cost and no consumer cost!) then I'll happily accept it on my cam.

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linuxworks wrote:
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in the same way, I do NOT expect many to support DNG on the camera.
that's probably a very awkward format for hardware vendors to have
to encode to.
[snip]

There is relatively little difference between (say) DNG and NEF. They are both based on ISO's TIFF/EP (and hence on Adobe's TIFF).
 
Adobe are really popular right now! I hope their PR dept is reading this thread.

Microsoft used to be the bad boy...now its the bloatware kings..

PS least MS write some lean software!

Acrobat pro is my king of bloat...does little, uses tons of resources, costs a fortune...

I may not have been a RSE fan, but least they were kind enough to let people use it for nothing!

Smacks of what Symantec did with Sygate's free firewall....damn fine program still on my pc, but the dudes bought them out and stopped it...another bloatware company.
 
linuxworks wrote:
[snip]
when the DNG encoding is truly free (no extra manuf or enginering
cost and no consumer cost!) then I'll happily accept it on my cam.
What IS the cost? Do you know, or are you guessing?

A few cameras, from the Ricoh GR Digital & the Samsung Pro815 up to the Leica DMR & some Hasselblad-Imacons, use it as their native raw format.

DNG has reduced the consumer cost for SOME people - for example, there are users of PS CS who haven't upgraded to PS CS2 because they use the DNG route instead.

Changing to DNG from another format obviously involves a learning curve. You might prefer to be the 2nd project manager in a camera company to use it, rather than the 1st! But, like other common interfaces, eventually it should drive down consumer prices.
 
God I am sorry but this royally sucks! Adobe, the king of all
overinflated, bloated, overpriced, software. So what are some other
good options for freeware RAW converters? Anyone?
dcraw (a C source file) is completely free and many say that their algorithms are very good, actually.

there are GUIs on top of dcraw (dcraw is basically just a CLI tool) if you need a gui.

(the author of dcraw also appears on this DPR site from time to time...)

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And so bye bye CPSP ... dammit
Sorry for the harsh title but I'm so fed up with adobe... They have
photoshop at a stupid price in Europe, and then have Elements at a
decent price but... it is the same price of Paintshop Pro X which
is enormously superior to Elements.

And then there's the famous upgrade policy of adobe.

And now they buy the company which has the, in my opinion, best raw
converter. As so, I wont probably be able to get the premium
version unless I buy Photoshop so... bye bye rawshooter. :(
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when the DNG encoding is truly free (no extra manuf or enginering
cost and no consumer cost!) then I'll happily accept it on my cam.
What IS the cost? Do you know, or are you guessing?
I don't have that inside info - I don't work on camera firmware - but I have spent years on embedded systems doing firmware for hardware devices. so its not a foreign concept to me..
A few cameras, from the Ricoh GR Digital & the Samsung Pro815 up to
the Leica DMR & some Hasselblad-Imacons, use it as their native raw
format.
if they have extra flash (code) space AND a beefy cpu AND time slots in the system to process these things and not hurt any other feature, great! but I somehow doubt that every vendor has such luxuries.
DNG has reduced the consumer cost for SOME people - for example,
there are users of PS CS who haven't upgraded to PS CS2 because
they use the DNG route instead.
that's a good point.
Changing to DNG from another format obviously involves a learning
curve. You might prefer to be the 2nd project manager in a camera
company to use it, rather than the 1st! But, like other common
interfaces, eventually it should drive down consumer prices.
having 2 encoders that are 100% functionally identical seems like wasted code space, to me. if I was a project manager for such a product, I would argue AGAINST having 2. eventually, MAYBE try to migrate the vendor specific one to a vendor neutral one. but try not to have TWO encoders in there.

(otoh, the same can be said about jpg and tiff - and in many cams, tiff buys you NOTHING but slower write times and gives the same level of 8bit detail that jpg gives (on pany cams, its true, at least) ).

also, I wonder if there are ANY vendor fees (to adobe) if a camera makers wants to use it.

MS has their hands in the pie when you 'dare' use fat32. that's the MAIN reason why smaller cams don't support fat32. its not really harder than fat16, but there are FEES involved.

I don't trust adobe. I think other vendors also feel the same way. even if there aren't fees now, there is no guarantee there won't be later.

if this was an IEEE/ISO standard, that would be great! but its not. so far, only 1 vendor has really been behind this invention (or, were there others?).

and, finally, single-vendor 'standards' aren't standards no matter who the one was that started it.

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Lets hope Nikon, Sony and Canon are big enough to at least prevent
Adobe getting a stranglehold.
They don't have to be big...all they have to do is put out their own software to allow users to convert RAW files. Oh, they already do. Not exactly a monopoly then, is it?
 
should everyone have used EBCDIC (old ibm encoding) just because
IBM said so? ebcdic was done based on hardware reasons (as I
understand that historical character format) and there were gains
in efficiency to encode and use that.
Early IBM machines were either decimal or binary. Binary Coded Decimal (BCD) encoding allow Interchange (I) of data between these systems. Then it was Extended (E) to a full 8 bits, hence Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code (EBCDIC).

FWIW, EBCDIC predates ASCII.
on other machines, ascii was faster and more 'native' to the hardware.
Nonsense. 7 bit (or even 8-bit) ASCII can fit inside 8 bit EBCDIC, there is no hardware reason beyond decimal/binary compatibility to pick one over the other. As far as computers go, bits are bits, the hardware could care less what the bits represent as text.
in the same way, I do NOT expect many to support DNG on the camera.
I don't expect many to support it either, but not because it is difficult. Rather, it is one more way to try to lock people into a particular vendor. Kind of like how different floppy drive formats, LAN protocols, file formats, etc nudged people to pick Mac or PC, but not both.

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Barry Pearson wrote:
[snip]
A few cameras, from the Ricoh GR Digital & the Samsung Pro815 up to
the Leica DMR & some Hasselblad-Imacons, use it as their native raw
format.
if they have extra flash (code) space AND a beefy cpu AND time
slots in the system to process these things and not hurt any other
feature, great! but I somehow doubt that every vendor has such
luxuries.
The Ricoh is really a point & shoot! Does it rely on those? There is little difference between (say) DNG and NEF. You can run a NEF file through the "dng_validate.exe" program from the DNG SDK and get few error messages.

[snip]
also, I wonder if there are ANY vendor fees (to adobe) if a camera
makers wants to use it.
No. Adobe have published a global royalty-free license for anyone to use DNG and supply products based on it. You don't even have to notify them.

[snip]
if this was an IEEE/ISO standard, that would be great! but its
not. so far, only 1 vendor has really been behind this invention
(or, were there others?).
There are more that 115 non-Adobe products that support DNG in some way. 3 cameras and 4 digital backs from 4 suppliers use it as their native raw format.
http://www.barry.pearson.name/articles/dng/products.htm

There IS an ISO standard raw file format - ISO 12234-2, aka TIFF/EP. It was based on Adobe's TIFF. DNG is really TIFF/EP brought up to date and made fit for purpose.
and, finally, single-vendor 'standards' aren't standards no matter
who the one was that started it.
They CAN be de facto standards. Eg. TIFF is a de facto standard - and owned by Adobe.
 
"Adobe believes this acquisition will not have a material financial
impact on the company."
Adobe just needed to scrounge up some pocket change for this acquisition. There may have been a slight belch as pixmantec was swallowed whole.

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linuxworks wrote:
[snip]
in the same way, I do NOT expect many to support DNG on the camera.
I don't expect many to support it either, but not because it is
difficult. Rather, it is one more way to try to lock people into a
particular vendor.
[snip]

Not true! It is one LESS way for a camera manufacturer to lock people into their own software products. THAT is a problem for some of them.

DNG frees up photographers & users of photographs, and makes things easier for 3rd party software developers, (if they choose to exploit it fully).
 
I don't have the details on this deal, it may be just the fact that they ran out of Money. The deal is small enough that Adobe is not even releasing any details, which as they said - it will have no effect on their financial performance thus so small it under the radar.

I wonder how the company was being financed. If the company was venture funded, then the venture company may have run out of patience and just looked for a quick way to recoup their investment.

The said truth is that the software world has been turned upside down over the past few years. Venture capitalist drain the system, if you can't make it big overnight they chop you up and sell you off. I think this is a sad leftover from the Internet boom 90s. Back then VC companies could turn around their investment quickly.

Now those days are over, but VCs still want to turn their money over quickly. No one wants to take time on building a good company and work for a big payoff. They will just take what they can get.
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Yes, let's hope the "provided . . . upgrade path" is free or next thing to it. I purchased CS2 at the beginning of the year. Liked RSE better than ACR and just recently purchased RSP.

Gerald
 

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