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BobTrips said:
heavyweather said:
Maybe new...but not THAT new...
actually it was a serious question.
There must be a lot of money invested in Soccer in the US, still
not one American player (playing in the EU Top Leauge) comes to my
mind.
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I'm not a sports fan so my knowledge pool is pretty shallow. But
I'll be free with my speculations.... ;o)

Soccer is a new sport to the US, in terms of the greater public
awareness. I suspect that many people past their 20s have
traditionally viewed it as a sissy version of the real men's sport
  • American football.
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The US enviroment is also very different. There is nothing like university Soccer or a real High school leauge in Europe. Players are built up by Soccer Clubs/Schools.
Totti played for AS Roma his whole life...

At the WM they sometimes show population of a country and poeple playing football...thats people who are registered in any Club...1/10 of the Italien population for example :)

I found that article
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jun2006/gb20060604_788472.htm

When it comes to players there seems to be some misunderstanding in the nature of Soccer. Talent is needed but integration in the team is even higher on the list.

The Czech players demonstrated that today...I dont think that they are physically more developed than the US players.

This match is why I started thinking about the levels of the teams anyways...

The US team is on the 7th place in the FIFA world ranking...but only because the qualification group is one of the weakest.

It might even be a political decision in favour of the Sport so that more people watch it in the US (or Fifa can sell more Games to US TV stations) but there might be other Countries that would have deserved it much more to play in this WorldCupTournament...the Greek couldn't qualify even though they have won the EM2004.
Here are the qualification groups and games
http://www.worldcupportal.de/quali/

So the whole WorldCup modus is a little unfortunate...the strong European Countries, Brazil and South America against the US, the Asian Cup winners (Japan...that lost 1:3 against Australia today). The African teams play very hard but still lack the gameplay skills...like Ghana today, not clear why because most of them play in Germany or Italy for top Euro clubs. Even the Trainer is Croatian.

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Joseph S Wisniewski said:
Joseph S Wisniewski said:
Right. The better automotive analogy would be getting your oil
changed at Jiffy Lube - minus the cost of the oil. That's about
$30 minus about $15 for the oil.
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I agree, that's an excellent automotive analogy. Minimum
permutation, very "scripted".
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Someone should open up an online Leica remarking service and undercut Leica by half. I have the name picked out, "Dots4U.com"

"Proof of the pudding" will be when we see camera repair shops doing the mod for less. Of course, that may not happen because a 3rd party mod to a Leica may not appeal to that market segment.

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Jay Turberville
http://www.jayandwanda.com "
 
heavyweather said:
The US team is on the 7th place in the FIFA world ranking...but
only because the qualification group is one of the weakest.
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OTOH, I heard on the radio this morning that they have one of the toughest pools. I don't follow "football", so I don't know if that is accurate though. But if so, I wonder if they are being set up for a fall. Or maybe its just the way the chips fell. Probably the latter.

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Minolta has.

You could send in I think it was the Maxxum 7 and 9 to have them upgraded to support the SSM lenses.

Also, they had an upgrade offer on one of their big lenses, the 600mm I think for some speed improvement.

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Way to go Sony! You didn't Blow it up!

Now, about those Zeiss Lenses..... Manual Focus Manual Focus Manual Focus.... AF in
Manual mode doesn't cut.
 
Joseph S. Wisniewski said:
It might be possible to use
Leica codes for some of the Zeiss Biogons, but you can't use a
Distagon (even though it should work much better with a digital
sensor than a Biogon or most Leica designs) because there's nothing
in the Leica LUT that even remotely resembles the Distagon
combination of focal length and exit pupil location.
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And it may be that a Distagon will not work with the DigitalM...for Leica has not coded their own 135:

"The only lens in the current range that will not be given a 6-bit coding is the LEICA APO-TELYT-M 135 mm f/3.4. It is not codable later, either, as its extension factor of 1.33 makes it unsuitable for use on the planned digital M camera."

No guarantee of every lens working, so why should [Leica] be concerned about lenses not of their own design?

Remember that Zeiss and Leica have been "mortal" competitors for over 70 years. So Leica needs to take their biggest competitors products into account when designing a "new" product?

With respect, it makes no sense.
 
heavyweather said:
Maybe new...but not THAT new...
actually it was a serious question.
There must be a lot of money invested in Soccer in the US,
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Yes, there is. The stylish "soccer mom" needs a Jeep Grand Cherokee, Ford Expedition, Nissan Pathfinder, or some other rather expensive SUV that also costs a frightening amount of money to feed.

Then there's clothing for the soccer mom, so she can look more "designer casual" than the other soccer moms.

Lobbying money to get the city council to set aside a corner of a city park for a soccer field (or maybe even purchase more land for it).

And a few extra bucks for those silly soccer ball decals for the SUV.
heavyweather said:
still
not one American player (playing in the EU Top Leauge) comes to my
mind.
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American soccer players are typically not old enough to play in the EU leagues.
heavyweather said:
Maybe the sport is just not American enough...There are no fast
points made, rather strict rules...
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I don't thing that's the problem.

First, baseball, the sport most identified with America, has stricter rules and less "fast points" than soccer.

Second, it's not really a complexity or speed issue: soccer is simple enough for the average American school child, and although slow, it's fast enough so that children don't lose interest in it.

The truth is that American adults prefer something more interesting. Hockey, basketball, baseball....

golf...

curling...

The really odd thing is that so many supposedly sophisticated Europeans actually find such a child's game interesting.

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The Pistons led the NBA, and lost in the playoffs.
The Red Wings led the NHL, and lost in the playoffs.

It's up to the Tigers now...
Leading the league, and going all the way!

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
rander3127 said:
AMomcil said:
Now, I almost want for them to go down.. They well deserved.
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--Name the last time a Japanese company allowed any kind of upgrades
(except firmware) to their cameras?
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Lets see. That would be...

Right now: when Fuji doubled the buffer size on the S3, they gave existing S3 owners the option of sending their camera in to have the buffer upgraded for $300. Fuji also does a modification at the same time to allow the vertical release to wale the camera (in response to numerous customer suggestions).

Then there was two years ago, when Nikon doubled the memory of shipping D1X cameras, they also allowed you to send existing cameras in to have the buffer upgraded.

Of course, there's PhotoTraveler's Minolta example. It was a pretty complicated mod, too: the cameras in question did not have flashable firmware, so they had to replace the entire flex circuit with the main processor.
rander3127 said:
In fact, releasing "new" models
with next to zero enhancements just to keep prices up seems to be
Nikon and Canon's stock-in-trade.
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How very rich, an Oly shooter is criticizing Nikon's business practices.

Would you prefer they simply kept scrapping systems and asking users to purchase all new lenses. E-1 isn't the first time they did that: remember when they launched OM-AF (with the OM-77), then orphaned it four years later.

Hey, if you really want to experience "ethics", give Oly a call and ask them how you get a copy of the "open" four-thirds spec.

--
The Pistons led the NBA, and lost in the playoffs.
The Red Wings led the NHL, and lost in the playoffs.

It's up to the Tigers now...
Leading the league, and going all the way!

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
that's why.

;)
cheers
radix
heavyweather said:
BobTrips said:
heavyweather said:
Maybe new...but not THAT new...
actually it was a serious question.
There must be a lot of money invested in Soccer in the US, still
not one American player (playing in the EU Top Leauge) comes to my
mind.
Click to expand...
I'm not a sports fan so my knowledge pool is pretty shallow. But
I'll be free with my speculations.... ;o)

Soccer is a new sport to the US, in terms of the greater public
awareness. I suspect that many people past their 20s have
traditionally viewed it as a sissy version of the real men's sport
  • American football.
Click to expand...
The US enviroment is also very different. There is nothing like
university Soccer or a real High school leauge in Europe. Players
are built up by Soccer Clubs/Schools.
Totti played for AS Roma his whole life...
At the WM they sometimes show population of a country and poeple
playing football...thats people who are registered in any
Club...1/10 of the Italien population for example :)

I found that article
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jun2006/gb20060604_788472.htm
When it comes to players there seems to be some misunderstanding in
the nature of Soccer. Talent is needed but integration in the team
is even higher on the list.
The Czech players demonstrated that today...I dont think that they
are physically more developed than the US players.

This match is why I started thinking about the levels of the teams
anyways...
The US team is on the 7th place in the FIFA world ranking...but
only because the qualification group is one of the weakest.
It might even be a political decision in favour of the Sport so
that more people watch it in the US (or Fifa can sell more Games to
US TV stations) but there might be other Countries that would have
deserved it much more to play in this WorldCupTournament...the
Greek couldn't qualify even though they have won the EM2004.
Here are the qualification groups and games
http://www.worldcupportal.de/quali/
So the whole WorldCup modus is a little unfortunate...the strong
European Countries, Brazil and South America against the US, the
Asian Cup winners (Japan...that lost 1:3 against Australia today).
The African teams play very hard but still lack the gameplay
skills...like Ghana today, not clear why because most of them play
in Germany or Italy for top Euro clubs. Even the Trainer is
Croatian.

--
******************************
http://85.124.199.50/marcus2/
( http://www.marcus.at.hm )
http://85.124.199.50/IT/

go out and enjoy the sun instead....
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PhotoTraveler said:
You could send in I think it was the Maxxum 7 and 9 to have them
upgraded to support the SSM lenses.
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Only the 9. The 7 supported ADI and SSM right out of the box. The 9, on the other hand, received two upgrades; first there was the "9ti upgrade" that gave the camera more data memory (I think) and a few more custom functions. The big one was the SSM upgrade, however, that also enabled ADI (but not as full-featured as in the 7 due to the lack of a body-integral precision encoder, this means no ADI in MF for example).
PhotoTraveler said:
Also, they had an upgrade offer on one of their big lenses, the
600mm I think for some speed improvement.
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The 200/2.8, 300/2.8 and 600/4 could be upgraded to the "High Speed" standard of the later lenses (which featured the same optics). Modifications included upgraded gearing and a new in-lens ROM. It didn't add the focus hold buttons of the newer designs, though.

There are no parts left nowadays to perform this upgrade (heck, the 600 can't even be repaired).
 
heavyweather said:
Maybe new...but not THAT new...
actually it was a serious question.
There must be a lot of money invested in Soccer in the US, still
not one American player (playing in the EU Top Leauge) comes to my
mind.
Click to expand...
Give the US players some time: football (I am a native NYker, but the term soccer is only used by americans) is a relatively new sport in the US, it is too complicated as an experience for many americans: it's culture & traditions are so alien to most Americans.
(Just like baseball is to many Europeans)
heavyweather said:
Maybe the sport is just not American enough...There are no fast
points made, rather strict rules...
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Nope, not that. Football in Europe & S. America has its own deep-rooted culture & traditions; which are quite unfamiliar to many Americans.

Just like the whole culture (not just the "game") of baseball, while immensely popular in the US, is vey unfamiliar to most Europeans.

Different cultures & upbringing, different sports, different tastes.

Not better/worse, just so different.

I am in a unique position to comment 'cos I'm a NYker with Mediterranean roots That is living in the EU & frequently travelling to the good ole' US for work.

It surprises when people resort to silly comments about other culture's sports & traditions, as one's upbringing influences so much one's tastes. I am one of the exceptions, 'cos I was born & bred in NY, yet never was attracted to the traditional US sports of baseball or American Football; preferring Football (I still feel it's very arrogant & silly to call it "soccer"), especially European Football, as a sport.

For Joe Wisniewski: yep, just as many Americans rave about baseball; live+sleep+breathe baseball; many Europeans rave & live+sleep+breathe Football....

....there are even a number of American who love Football & the World Cup...I'm one of 'em....

& I just am amused at many of my fellow Americans' bewilderment at how such a "strange" (to a US citizen) sport can be:
1) the most popular, most televised in the world by far

2) the World Cup attracts the attention of the whole world, (from Samoa to Siberia, Cape Town to Minsk, etc) for a month every 4 years.

It's just different cultures appreciating different sports.
heavyweather said:
The US Leauge seems to be very small (maybe because lack of
interest?) also...American Soccer Teams would be more known better
if there where more top players exchanged between the continents...
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Give the US time...the US national team has made enormous progress these last few years, IMO.

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Jay Turberville said:
"Proof of the pudding" will be when we see camera repair shops
doing the mod for less. Of course, that may not happen because a
3rd party mod to a Leica may not appeal to that market segment.
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Exctly my thought. Those "ovalish" dots looked rather appealing. I bet no one else can make those dots with the same kind of mix of hight tech and retro feeling.

Roland
 
ClassicMan said:
Just like the whole culture (not just the "game") of baseball,
while immensely popular in the US, is vey unfamiliar to most
Europeans.
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Can yu ealborate on this one a bit? What do you mean by baseball culture (and football cultrure)?

Do you target just the usual match day - hot dogs, baseball caps, telling your friends how your dad said that particular famous player he used to watch was really great, etc.? I am talking about stadium experience.

Or is there something in the baseball game that is connected to some American traditions and culture that makes it more interesting to Americans?

I am asking this, because I really tried to like baseball. I learned rules, watched few games on TV, tried to "feel" the game. It's not that bad, but it has such a slow pace that my attention had to be forced. 5 seconds of action and than full minute of preparation for the next one. I am not bashing baseball here, I am just trying to understand why is so popular and is there any connection with US way of life, thinking or something else. Or is it just a matter of habbit - they are used to play baseball from the early childhood and boys elsewhere dream about football?

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Greetings, Aleksandar
 
in america is very big though, pretty much all european top players aims to play in the US league.

And it is NOT a cultural issue, I'm swedish and I can't stand soccer despite being european and all...

I find it as dull as cricket and baseball, being just ahead of basketball and curling.

It's all about personal preferences, it is NOT genetic or cultural inheritage, nor is it socialy dictated, both my parents does occasionally follow some game.
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They won't "go down".

There are enough guys like me out there who are willing to pay for quality and a certain philosophy...

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Greetings

Mr Ralf
 
Mr Ralf said:
They won't "go down".

There are enough guys like me out there who are willing to pay for
quality and a certain philosophy...
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But - they do not really have anything yet that is accprding to the old phlosophy. So - before they don't go down they have to produce anything.

Roland
 
Mr Ralf said:
They won't "go down".

There are enough guys like me out there who are willing to pay for
quality and a certain philosophy...
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I wolud really like to have good old Leica, strong as it used to be, an ethalon of quality and a target for my dreams. But it is not like that anymore. Not even close.

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Greetings, Aleksandar
 
Jay Turberville said:
Jay Turberville said:
The US team is on the 7th place in the FIFA world ranking...but
only because the qualification group is one of the weakest.
Click to expand...
OTOH, I heard on the radio this morning that they have one of the
toughest pools. I don't follow "football", so I don't know if
that is accurate though. But if so, I wonder if they are being set
up for a fall. Or maybe its just the way the chips fell. Probably
the latter.
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Yes, the E Group consists of Italy, Czech, Ghana and the USA (probably in this order...though I loved the Czech gameplay, I want them to take the Cup ;) The next round might be a showstopper Brazil plays F Group.
But the game has 90minutes...

I am not a big Soccer fan myself but every 4 years we all become professional analysts...
Jay Turberville said:
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