Sony vs Canon.....

Tizzio said:

Be frank and ask yourself, have you ever seen a well established or
accomplished pro shooting serious photography with a KM? The fact
the matter is, KM suck!
There must be reasons for the pros worldwide to show a consistancy
on gear selections.

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I have seen many. And a 135 1.8 and 85 1.4 from CZ? I would kill for something like that on my camera. Yes i have the 135 2.0 and yes Canon has a 85 1.2, but the last one is so slow in focus i don't want it AND now, although AS isn't all that could compairing it to IS, all the lenses are AS .. sounds very nice 2 me.

And i doubt Nikon has 2 fear for Sony not giving them state-of-the-art CCD's or CMOS. Sony provides almost all ccd's for compacts and i don't see them giving inferior products to the competition (overlooking the problems with the ccd's from 3 years ago). they have a reputation 2 keep up and a good business.

There's nothing wrong with them, I would just not want to be married to those lense choices.

Can we just take pictures instead? Canon, Nikon, Sony, Shmony...

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Remeber about o lot of users from slr and DSLR users from Minolta

KM sux? Dont be funny plz

IMHO D7D have GREAT ergonomic. That rock

Tizzio said:

Be frank and ask yourself, have you ever seen a well established or
accomplished pro shooting serious photography with a KM? The fact
the matter is, KM suck!
There must be reasons for the pros worldwide to show a consistancy
on gear selections.

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There are reasons, but none of them involve the quality of the K-M products. First and foremost is the support and availability of lenses offered by Canon and Nikon. There are pros shooting with K-M, but they are individualists who are not dependent on renting or borrowing lenses from a company's pool of Canon or Nikon glass, and don't have need for the specialty tilt-shift/macro/1200mm lenses.

And in a very good way 'cause I am holding my 10D since June 2004 and I would appreciate lower prices.

semorg said:

Yes very big...I wonder why Kon-Mino stopped selling their DSLRs then?

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They couldn't compete on a price point with companies who make their own sensors. The 20D and D70 had NOTHING on the 7D when it came to quality. As a matter of fact, if you held all three in your hand subjectively you'd agree that there's no comparison. If you read my follow up post, you would've seen where I corrected the maketing typo, Minolta sucked at marketing. They had no money after being hammered by Honeywell in a lawsuit and assuming that APS was going to dominate the P&S market. They made some bad decisions on digital, Sony didn't.

semorg said:

Well...I looked at the announced prices for Alpha lenses and they
were not exactly cheap. Canon has several non-L IS lenses that
perform really well at a great price-point.

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I would agree that most of the lenses listed weren't exactly cheap, yet if you compare them (with the exception of the two long lenses) you'll find that their quite reasonable when compared to an IS lens of the same value. This is the initial launch anyways, they'll soon have more lenses in the mid range. Until that time, you can always buy used Minolta glass or Sigma or Tamron -- All Image Stabilized on a Sony Body. My 20 year old 70-210 F4 works with AS as does my 21 year old 50mm 1.7. I bought the former for $50.00. That's why AS is a draw. Besides, have you seen the new Sony P&S commercial with the hummingbird where the guys talking about the "shakey thingy?" That stuff sticks in consumers heads.

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semorg said:

It's doubtful that the $900.00 price will stand long. It's still a

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I am glad you see the same point. Perhaps the price is to milk out
the early adopters and they will drop the price. It has to be below
or near XT/d50

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I don't think they have to underprice the XT with this camera -- it's better. It's a middle class between the XT and the 30D. Besides having the same sensor as the D200, it has a better VF (it has to be better since it's listed as better than the 5D and the 5D VF was much better than the XT), Spot metering, AS, Antidust, etc... Even the previews have mentioned that the build quality is superior to the XT. The Minolta 5D was selling really well when they quit. Maybe they should've done that one first. I'm willing to bet that they will have a less expensive camera to compete head to head with the XT in the stores before Christmas.

semorg said:

I am sorry I missed the part about Minolta being the master in
marketing. Their market position prior to digital and thier market
share of PS leads me to believe they are very weak at marketing.

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I meant to say that Minolta ISN"T a master of marketing. I didn't notice that before I posted, but added a quick retraction afterwards. I wish it was possible to edit posts on this forum

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Thom Hogan - respected Niikon Guide author - predicted this last year and concludes on it here:
http://www.bythom.com/2006predictions.htm

Nikon/Canon saw this coming and will have no problems lowering prices on D70/D50/350D/30D if necessary .. but having 90% of the market I doubt it will happen!

CJEP

I doubt many existing Canon or Nikon users will switch. So the potential buyers for the new Alpha system are p/s users looking for upgrade(with no interest in other systems) and current KM users.

I think it will be extremely difficult for sony to enter the pro sector of the market as 1D/5D users and D1/D2 users are usually heavily invested in their current system. Potential pros will most likely choose a proven system.

Start off at the entry level is a right decision, but most users in this sector are not interested in lenses(average owners of 350D and D50 often only have the kit lens and don't plan on buying more lenses) which is the money cow of the dslr market. So if Sony can't make enough money out the Alpha, will they carry on doing R&D for it?

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70-200 2.8 G for $2,399 !!! ... what's the benefit of in-camera Anti-shake?

Cjep

By christmas we will witness a 499$ prosumer cameras by nikon canon etc.

If sony manages to pull a pro body,then nikon is in trouble (especially if the new body IS FF ),and canon will have to change strategy.And canon will do that anyway,because the market is not driven by pros who expect to work a camera for as long as they can get away with it.I expect that serius gear will remain expensive for a couple of years though.After that I expect for things to level to previews pricing schemes (film like ),after all how long you think this digital hype is going to last?

My self i think I m completely covered by a 1ds mk 11 a little faster may be and with better dynamic range.

I think the resolution wars are about to be finished soon,one can feel that allready.From now and on prices are going to a serius correction...
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I m not planing to swich,with all the canon gear that I own I m practically married to canon,I just like to buy my next gear at reasonable prices.And NO! sony is not too late for that purpose.It is a good thing for all of us...
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I don't think for a nanosecond that anyone who makes his or her living as a commercial or professional photographer is going to dump their Canon, Nikon, Hasselblad, or Mamiya equipment for a Sony. Furthermore, I think that if a commercial photographer showed up at a wedding with a Sony, they'd be laughed out of the church.

For hobbyists, it's a different story. Those who shudder at hearing the names Canon and Nikon may find a Sony product more approachable. I'm not saying this makes sense, I am saying that people are victims of marketing. To consumers, the Sony brand can be a comfort factor.

Where's that joker who posted a thread saying he wanted to paint a red stripe around his lenses. This Sony is right up his alley!
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DotCom Editor said:

I don't think for a nanosecond that anyone who makes his or her
living as a commercial or professional photographer is going to
dump their Canon, Nikon, Hasselblad, or Mamiya equipment for a
Sony. Furthermore, I think that if a commercial photographer showed
up at a wedding with a Sony, they'd be laughed out of the church.

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There are professionals still using Dynax/Maxxum film gear and or the 7D and 5D who will jump at the new Sony line. Anyone who would laugh at a wedding photographer who shows up with a Sony A100K, but would simply nod approval at a photographer sporting a D70 or 20D simply is not worth acknowledging.

I don't understand how everyone can get so hyped up for something before seeing actual results.

It is spec'ed well. That is all we know at the moment.

Well that and the lens are way over priced.

Just like Sony. Lose money on the system (PSP/PS2/Alpha100), get you with the games (Lenses).
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It's not only Minolta's knowledge that they can benefit from. The more cameras Nikon sells the better for them – they're the ones who deliver sensors to Nikon.

I have always preferred the ergonomics of Minolta cameras to my current Canon cameras. I guess they'll cause a little stirr in the low end market with that camera.

Lenses seem to be mostly the same as the old (but not bad) Minolta lenses.

John said:

If Canon had launched the 30D with 10MP, Anti shake, Anti dust
sensor, and Zeiss AF lenses everyone would have went gaga for it.
Indeed, I would love these features to be available for my current
Canon kit...no more filthy sensors, dodgy contax zeiss adapters,
etc.

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I don't agree with you on the need of an anti-shake body. Canon already makes very high quality image stabilized lenses. Integrating this kind of technology IMHO is only reasonable if you can't upgrade your lenses without a lot of effort. Just like this is the case with the new Sony system (which uses Minolta lenses).

I do see use for the anti-dust idea, though.

John139895 said:

This Alpha 100 system launch makes the 30D launch seem pretty
lacklustre in comparison.

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Isn't it more like a competitor to the 350D?

John139895 said:

I will be very interested in seeing Phil's test. If and when Sony
start to approach Canon's excellent high iso performance things
will get interesting.

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I got too much investment in Canon glass by now. However, I am looking forward to a little competitive pressure on Canon. That'll only improve my future camera choices ;-)

Legacys_Quest7 said:

You don't just build a series
on lenses high end at that just for the h@ll of it.

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You mean something like a $5k lens for a $900 body? SCNR This is really going to be interesting, especially how Nikon will react to this.