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That is one plausible interpretation, but I think an equally valid interpretation could be that once you teach a dog to bark on command, he'll bark whenever you want! All it takes is incentive ($$$)
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Some see the cup as half empty, others see the cup as half full. Personally, I see the cup being knocked over.
 
Please report if it still works in 3 years... Every sony product (except 1) has died within 3 years... a mini stereo system, porable stereo, car radio, car amplifier.

Playstation stuff aside, I'm not touching anything Sony with a 10-foot pole...

That's the thing with jack-of-all-trade companies. It seems that upper management doesn't always know what's happening in production and only see the bottom line and QC issues arise. Minolta was pretty darn good, let's hope it's doesn't degrade to Sony standards after being merged into the conglomerate.

Companies like Olympus and Nikon know what ti takes to make a good camera and typically won't reduce quality for the sake of a lower price point. It's a bit like Harman/Kardon in the stereo/HT receiver world. That's almost exclusively what they do, and they're built solidly and perform beyond their specs.
Peter A. Klein said:
For your amusement:

I recently had to buy a new VCR. Went to Best Buy, and at the
price and features point I wanted, I had three choices, a Toshiba,
a Sony, and a lesser-known name that was a little cheaper. I
eliminated the latter on the basis of probably corner-cutting. And
then I thought, "Great. Who do I support? The company that sold
American technology to the Russian navy after promising not to, or
the company that put rootkits on their music CDs?"

Since each company IMHO had made some rotten moral decisions, I
eventually decided based on some fine technical points, and bought
the Sony. Sorry, guys! :-)

--Peter
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I don't think anyone questions that AS/IR, whatever you want to call it generically, is a (potentially) valuable tool. But I think it is equally true that it has been oversold by the manufacturers. In a manner not unlike the megapixel scam.

How many times do we see posts on this forum where some poor newbie (and some not so new) writes about how come his photos look so blurry? It CAN'T be camera movement since he/she has taken the time to buy a camera with anti shake/Image Stabilization? It was just a couple of weeks ago I read a post where the poster thought his camera was junk because the IS couldn't stop grass blowing in the wind!

The simple truth is, these poor souls have to learn how and WHEN antishake will help them, and when it WONT! Like the megapixel scam, the half truth is correct; more is better, but only if you knowhow to use it!
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Some see the cup as half empty, others see the cup as half full. Personally, I see the cup being knocked over.
 
For company as proud as Zeiss, you'd think they'd show a little enthusiasm for a product that bears its name.
Glen Barrington said:
That is one plausible interpretation, but I think an equally valid
interpretation could be that once you teach a dog to bark on
command, he'll bark whenever you want! All it takes is incentive
($$$)
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Some see the cup as half empty, others see the cup as half full.
Personally, I see the cup being knocked over.
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dgrogers

http://www.pbase.com/drog
 
I think the last 20 years or so has knocked the pride out of the entire photo industry. At this point, survival is the only goal for even the strongest.
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Some see the cup as half empty, others see the cup as half full. Personally, I see the cup being knocked over.
 
the Sony camera is a serious threat to Oly and low end Canons and Nikons. Sony is a big name and the dslr system that they are coming out with is extensive and broader than Oly. Plus,Sony has a much better retail prescence than Oly does,hell,you can't even find an Oly dslr half the time. I hope that Oly is going to come out with something better than the last model and at least try to be competative. That being said,I think that I will try one of those cheap E-1 cameras.
 
Ok, but staying quiet about your products certainly isn't the best plan for survival. Ziess has a chance to make lens for a system again, but they aren't embracing it. Seems odd to me.
Glen Barrington said:
I think the last 20 years or so has knocked the pride out of the
entire photo industry. At this point, survival is the only goal
for even the strongest.
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Some see the cup as half empty, others see the cup as half full.
Personally, I see the cup being knocked over.
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dgrogers

http://www.pbase.com/drog
 
DLL_4ever said:
Has anyone else here read the review of the new Sony dSLR?
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You can bet that Olympus is taking Sony very seriously.

Sony makes some very good video gear which is a far more complex piece of kit than even a high end digital SLR. That doesn't mean their cameras will be all that but it does show they can make top quality products that combine sophisticated optics and electronics. Sony is still capable of bringing innovative products to market.

For a first camera, the specs on this one are impressive. Only time will tell if it can walk the walk.

Good Shooting,

Bill
 
DLL_4ever said:
When Oly first made its breakthrough into the dSLR market... it
offered the E1 + what was it.. 7 lenses?
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And that's about the number of really new lenses Sony has. The rest are relabeled KM hardware.

Where are the weather seals? Does the new coating and shaking the anti-shake mechanism on power-off really get rid of dust? No one knows for sure, but SSWF is a proven quantity. It could just be something so they can say they do "anti-dust", just like the Oly line now claims "anti-shake" that's really not much more than high ISO plus some fancy image processing.

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E-Three-Hundred/DZ Fourteen-Fifty-Four/Sigma Fifty-Five-Two-Hundred
E-Ten/C-Twenty-One-Hundred-UZ/E-One-Hundred-RS/D-Four-Hundred-Z
Oldma-cdon-aldh-adaf-arm-EI-EI-O
 
Well, if it makes you feel better, all the old minolta lenses still exist, this is just a small chunk of the minolta line rebadged. Plus you have all the Tamron and Sigmas out there for MAF. So there is a lot more lenses out there. 16 Million with minolta on the side.

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Way to go Sony! You didn't Blow it up!

Now, about those Zeiss Lenses..... Manual Focus Manual Focus Manual Focus.... AF in
Manual mode doesn't cut.
 
The A100 is CF not Memory stick, but it includes a memory stick adaptor.

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Way to go Sony! You didn't Blow it up!

Now, about those Zeiss Lenses..... Manual Focus Manual Focus Manual Focus.... AF in
Manual mode doesn't cut.
 
huuuu,

i had a sony R1 which Lens was really really good. yes.
but the rest is avarage.
poor autofocus, no raw compression at all, bad handling.

may be they learned from minolta.

but the price, i remember the R1 was 999 Euros but at least
you geet it for 700 Euros.

If so also with the alpha, the rest of the oly nik can will have difficults ....

r-)
 
I just ordered my E-500 dual lens kit for $1050 CAD (after rebate).

Apparantly Sony will be offering a dual lens kit:
DSLRA100W 10.2M 2.5 Black Twin Lens Kit

My best guess would be:
The Sony Alpha 1 with 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 kit lens, is expected for $999.
The 75-300mm F4.5-5.6 is expected for $229.95.

http://www . stevesforums.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=93897&forum_id=84

Dual Lens Sony = 1228.95 US? = 1350 CAD
+ say... 250 for customs = $1600 CAD MSP. - Rip-off Canada price :)

Olympus Dual kit range (2xcrop factor) = 28-300mm F3.5-4.5 equiv.
Sony Dual kit range (1.5xcrop factor) = 27-450mm F3.5-5.6 equiv.

Okay, that makes me feel a little better that it will be out of my price range, but I have to admit this camera seriously shook my purchase confidence.

Do you guys think it is reasonable to compare the E-500 to the Alpha 1, or is the Alpha more in line with the EOS-30, Nikon 200 crowd. If that's the case what will olympus offer, E-500 is below that line, while E-1(and pro-line) will surely be above it.

Just trying to feel good about my purchase, which I'm sure I will once I have it.

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Autofocus? Whats Autofocus?
 
As an addition, here’s how I see it:

(King) & (Queen)
Canon & Nikon

Leica…………………………………………Zeis- Old wise counselors
………Panasonic……………………Sony- Allied forces battling it out
………Olympus…………………….Konica/Minolta
We’ve got Live Preview!...................We’ve got Antishake!
We’ve got 4/3rds shared lenses!........We’ve got all the lenses we need!

Pentax/Samsung – Peasants

I can’t draw, but I think this would make a nice caricature. lol :)
 
dgrogers said:
Ever notice how Zeiss is always missing from the Sony press release
while Lieca stands by Panasonic's side, showing their enthusiasm?
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I find it rather unfortunate the Leica teamed up with panasonic...there is a world of difference between 35mm leica and digital leica
 
Since when has any camera introduction threatened anyone? As many have noted many times before, our Oly cameras are still functioning in spite of newer and sometimes better cameras.

Ed
 
Re: Carl Zeiss being quiet about new developments. Your comments made me go to the Zeiss website and there it is - the new announcement about the ZA lenses. They sound pretty upbeat to me. And Zeiss have always acknowledged their partnership with Sony. I would love to see the company regenerated - the new introductions being the ZM (leica rangefinder); ZF (Nikon, but manual focus); ZS (old m42) and now the ZA. A trip to the Leica website would reveal next to nothing about the 4/3 develpment. One needs to go to the Panasonic website. I don't care about Leica's haughty attitude as long as they continue to design excellent lenses. Did they ever acknowledge the Panasonic contribution in the design of the Digilux2? Panasonic seem to be far more generous in that respect. And Oly needs to come up with fast primes. Theo
 
I am very very pleased with my E 500 plus 14-54 and 50 200 zuiko lens. Of course there are many other very respected cameras out there but the important thing about my dslr is that the E 500 is an Olympus, a camera that you have to live with - not just using it - to get the best out of it. So, I think that the photographer that knows what is doing, simply picks the right camera for his/her needs.

I believe that the camera - photographer combination is most important than a high tech camera only. (Also, for unexplaint reasons I cannot imagine myself ready to go shooting at the top of a mountain or a lonely beach surrounded by wild clifs with a sony camera and a-hard-to-find KM 5D shutter button.)
 
So all the shots you just took have bunnies... I still like my SSWF as a Unique Option.

Plus, I KNOW how the Oly package works, and the images it gives me.
I haven't seen a picture out of this new thing yet.

Oh, and it's UGLY!
What's with the dial 'ears'???

I thought Sony were good at aesthetics? E-1 beats it on looks, even if it's second everywhere else!

8^)

Tim
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