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Any one here has experience at aerial photography?

I need to get some photo at higher level for my architectural digital illustration project, not completely aerial, but hight enough to see the back ground, city, moutain, bay etc.

I always have difficulty getting this kind of photo. if there are not many high-rise building around. It's almost impossible. The closest solution I found is to make a flying kite cmera rig, mount the camera on it. and radio remote control the shooting.

This is the easy part, because I found someone make this stuff. But I can't figure out how one can see on the ground what the camera points at.
I guess people just blind shoot with this thing, but that's not what I want.
Any thought? Please.
Thanks in advance
 
For 20-60ft, you can rent a scissor-lift or boom platform. For 100-200ft, consider hiring a balloon pilot to take you up. Either might be cheaper than renting an aircraft, and could give you more time at low altitudes.

Chris
Any one here has experience at aerial photography?
I need to get some photo at higher level for my architectural
digital illustration project, not completely aerial, but hight
enough to see the back ground, city, moutain, bay etc.
I always have difficulty getting this kind of photo. if there are
not many high-rise building around. It's almost impossible. The
closest solution I found is to make a flying kite cmera rig, mount
the camera on it. and radio remote control the shooting.
This is the easy part, because I found someone make this stuff. But
I can't figure out how one can see on the ground what the camera
points at.
I guess people just blind shoot with this thing, but that's not
what I want.
Any thought? Please.
Thanks in advance
 
I normally rent a helicopter...it can be positioned much easier than making fly by's and hoping to catch what you need...just can't be to squeemish 'cause the door on you side will be off...lol

 
Kites were used long ago for air photography but you are gonna have to have a good sized kite and a clear area to fly it in free of power lines (new the heavy duty high-tech kite lines CONDUCT electricity!). Even with the newest steerable multi-line kites, control would be a big issue as would camera/operator safety. As a long time kite hobbiest and stunt kite flier, I would not advise this route for serious commercial aerial photography - might be fun to "play" with but not something I would risk for clients...

I knew a pro who owned one of those big "Blimp" photo systems that he towed behind his car in a trailer to locations all over the southeast. He shot medium format film and from seeing all his images taken from many shoots, control and camera aiming were the biggest issues with only a couple good shots per 220 roll - and those usually had horizons that were way out of whack and had to be custom printed to fix. Helium to fill the big blimp was expensive and he had to pay for storage for his trailer when not in use, so I was not that impressed with the system as more than a cool toy.

There are a couple companies out there that make telescoping camera masts and another has a "super elevated tripod" system. These can be towed behind even a compact car or mounted to a truck and those look very promising. They put a video camera with your camera and you have full control over aiming (tilt/pan/etc) the camera via remote control on the ground based display screen. Used by tv media in some areas already. Prices were under 2k, which is what you would pay for a few hours in a jet chopper rental, so its not that bad and seemed really portable and versatile...

Other non-traditional options include portable hydraulic lifts (rentable from construction supply houses) and one that I'm surprised more people dont think of - bucket trucks like used by utility companies. Some heavy equipt. operators rent these also, and many come up cheap on the surplus market.

I have shot from these many times while working in an electric companies photo dept. and they are awesome platforms for (lower) elevated images as long as it is not a windy day - then they become simply scary!

At under 5k new, Paraplanes are powered parachutes and I was told by a dealer that they are good for photography as you can fly hands free while in them and they are much less likey to be unstable in winds than an ultralight aircraft. Have not tried one (yet - its on my list!) but there would likely be restrictions for flying over populated areas and the need for a close-by launch/landing area that could be an issue too.

Airplanes can be used for air work, but altitude restrictions over populated areas must be observed and you cant control your shooting locations as easily as in a helicopter. With planes, some older, slower planes with removable windows or doors work better than others. I've had luck shooting from high wing Cessna's (150,172,182,Cardinal RG) where the passenger window can open totally and also in the old classic Piper Cubs where you can open the door/window for good viewing although struts and the landing gear have to be shot around in both planes. Did a job once in a Piper Cherokee Six (low wing) that was modified for air work with a removable baggage door in the back and it worked really well with nice clear shooting area but it was windy as a mother in that thing! Planes are cheaper tan choppers to rent, but you give up some nice things...

Which brings me to my hands down favorite way to shoot fromt he sky - helicopters! Choppers make shooting from the air a joy as long as you are in a stable enough craft and have a GOOD pilot experienced in that vehicle for photo missions. Vietnam vets were always my favorite pilots when shooting aerials for the utility company, which we did several times monthly as those guys could fly the pants of most younger pilots and had no troubles with complicated flight directions. A good pilot and good pre-planning of the shoot makes things go smoothly and when it comes to the kind of helo to use, bigger is always better. My favorites were the Bell Jet Ranger/Long Ranger and Hughes 500 (Magnum PI kind of chopper) for comfort and stability but they are VERY expensive to rent so you need a client with deep pockets. I have shot in a Korean war era chopper (horrible!) and in itty bitty Hughes 300 and Robinson 2 seaters and while shooting was possible (just cant carry anything and body parts may hang out open door!) none of the "little" choppers were as stable or safe as the bigger ones, although I was likely spoiled from too many jobs in the big jet choppers. :-)

If you do plan on shooting from a plane or chopper, be sure to search the story archives at sportsshooter as someone there did an excellect article on safety for air shooting that should be required reading by anyone before shooting from a plane or chopper.

Happy landings!

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Eric in Florida
 
Don't have any experience in the field but a close friend has shot city scapes for James Cameron, author of the

"Above San Francisco" Chicago, Paris, etc. series of coffee table books. She won't work unless a good sized chopper is part of the deal.

I've read that the great Marilyn Bridges always has a stipulation when she shoots in 3rd world countries. The mechanic who tends the aircraft must agree to go along on the flight.
 
Once who are experience are better at hovering (Holding a position) for extended period of time so you can grab the shot. Also they have a full safety harness and know how to coach you into the shot if you are a newbie.

I found chopper pilots who are experience working with photog means that you get the exact shot you want sooner and less air time ($$$$)

Spend time with maps detailing to the pilot exactly what you need.

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Retired commercial photog - enjoying shooting for myself again.
Hoping to see/shoot as much as I can before the eyes and legs gives way
 
I have been doing aerial photography for right at 20 years and have probably logged close to a thousand hours of flight time. It's just a part of what I do, BTW.

The larger helicopters are NOT necessarily smoother than the smaller ones. The larger models (Jet Rangers, Long Rangers) have a lower rotor rpm that can make for some nasty vibrations. If they are not balanced just right they will be a lot rougher ride than a smaller craft.

I have shot in Jet Rangers, Hughes 300's, Bell 47's, Hughes 500 Notar, Robinson R22, Robinson R44 and Enstroms. The Jet Rangers were, on average, the roughest rides as far as cyclical vibratiions go. The Hughes 500 Notar was very smooth but had a high pitched vibration that seemed OK.

The old Bell 47J was almost unusable for photography, but maybe it was just that one particular craft.

My first choice now is a Robinson R44. It's large enough to have the room to work and more affordable since it is a piston engine. I have yet to fly in one where vibrations were an issue.
 
There are RC helicopter photographers in almost every state, didn't see where you are from or I'd point you toward one. Cheaper than 'real' helicopters and you can hover anywhere. I shoot jobs like yours every week. Can carry any camera and device attached to lens viewer transmits what the camera can see to a ground station. It would even be possible for you to control pan and tilt on the camera rig (whiile pilot flys it to where you want) and you can release the shutter. Usually altitude is 150-400 feet, which sounds like what you are looking for. Makes some calls, usual rate is between 100-250/hour. Good luck.
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There are RC helicopter photographers in almost every state,
Uhhhhh. Do you realize you just responded to a thread almost 4 months old??? I'll bet he has worked something out in the meantime. LOL

Too many here never look at the date of the original question. Bloats the forum with 6 month late answers. LOL
 
There are RC helicopter photographers in almost every state,
Uhhhhh. Do you realize you just responded to a thread almost 4
months old??? I'll bet he has worked something out in the
meantime. LOL

Too many here never look at the date of the original question.
Bloats the forum with 6 month late answers. LOL
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I just shot some aerials from a Jet ranger that was practically vibration free. I commented on it to the pilot and told him he had done a good job at tuning the rotors. He was very pleased and proud that I had both noticed the lack of vibration and how much pride he had in tuning his aircraft. He has done areails for movies and stlls for many years and knows from experience how important it is.

another note: I was shooting both stills and video. The video was an afterthought from the client so I just used my Sony 2500 DV cam. what made the footage usable was due in part to the chopper tuning, but I also rented a gyro from Ken Labs (google it). It is a small (but heavy) egg shaped device that screws to the tripod mount of the camera. almost as good as a Tyler or Wes (?) mount but much much cheaper and didn't require installation into the chopper.

For handheld shots with anything but a wide angle lens I would recommend renting one ($200.00 plus Fed ex overnight $99.00 x2)

Robert
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Yea, I saw the date, but the subject the original poster was asking about was so narrow that, even if he resolved the issue, someone in the future may have a similar question and need a similard, obscure solution. I am very much the amature photographer (skill wise with the camera) but one very good with my flying tripod...don't get to contribute much on this forum so I jump at that chance when I can. Great thing about these forums, you can do a word search and see things people have discussed months ago on obscure subjects just by entering a few key words.
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