Canon are developing medium format digital model now!

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Andre

guessing and wishlists.... that's all.

but it really doesn't make a difference if they are guesses or wishes, nor does anyone here really assume that it does. The purpose of these forums are both entertainment and information (and draw ad revenue) so why let it bother you?

j

Guesswork and futurology might be fun and might even work. The idea of a Canon MF back make sense to me.
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Andre

Guessing that Canon would go after mf digital because...A..cost B..complexity...C...weight...has kept mf from taking off...I'm sure Canon could make it affordable, easier to manage, and lighter...If Sony wanted to buy its way into the pro digital world it could...they've got stacks and stacks of money...regular 35mm dslr world would be more difficult to crack because of your Canon and Nikon...but the door to affordable digital MF is wide wide open...Eventually Canon is going to hit the wall with ff d 35mm...what's going to keep us buying...d mf...d mf...
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patrick tom

If Sony decides to go after d mf and innovates it to affordability and ease...Canon will have to go chasing...
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patrick tom

no worries : )

there is a 3rd aspect to forums..... the chance that the manufacturers are actually listening. I see that Adobe now removes their feature request posts after a little while, I'm guessing that it may have been a good resource for them and possibly for their competitors.

regards,

j

For the square format.
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A digtal picture is worth a million longwords.

Two constraints on the shape exist:

1. It has to "tile the plane." Otherwise, highly valuable, expensive, silicon real estate gets thrown away.

2. It has to be capable of being cut from the wafer.

I believe these conditions are met only by rectangles (including squares) and hexagons.
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patrick c tom said:

wouldn't have been worked on with such drive and
determination...how many photographers would buy a p45 if it were
two thousand dollars...Looking at current product line and current
numbers is crazy in such an innovative world as tech...If Canon
makes mf dslr and d backs affordable...prepare for the
revolution...Canon is figuring out it is much easier to build a
bigger sensor cheaper than to change physics and overload sensors
with more and more pixels while trying to keep noise down and
expand dynamic range...
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patrick tom

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That could be,... and that would be pretty cool too.. However, I heard nothing about a MF system.. ..just a MF back with a super duper sized "Fevron" like CMOS sensor.. that will be available for various MF cameras, already being built..

I have also heard that Canon has pretty much topped out at the MP hike.. because adding more MP, will only increase noise,..

Oh,..and for those who wish that the ..(what I like to call them).. the "Elan" class digital cameras, ie, the 30D on down to the D30,..will be 1.3 crop, LOL...forget it! Not gonna happen.. They will remain 1.6.. same with the Rebels..

Now,.. I have heard about a camera that should be (we'll wait & see).. an 8fps 12MP FF body.. for $3,500

I spoke to a fellow friend who was working with a "new technology" on an "old camera base"..he could tell that the camera had been worked on a lot.. and perhaps, it was just being used to test out this technology.. If I reveal specifics, he'll kick my butt..

Gosh,..I heard from some guy in the Fuji forum, that Canon's FF was about to be killed by some new camera by them... LOL... what ever dude.. FF is more popular than ever..

Something unrelated.... Paul Buff Inc., will be introducing two new "ring flash" units.. one based on their 800 Alien Bee light, and the other will be a whole new unit for the "White Lightning system.. which will feature a separate power supply, and a flash head.. the power (effective WS...not so sure what that exactly means).. will be 2,600 WS...(perhaps 1,300 true WS, who knows)... they will be able to run off the Vegabonds. They will be priced at lower than any competitor's counterpart product,..and I believe, they will be the first monolight based RF system available.. We should hear much more in 30-45 days from now..

That's the "inside" report from me / Rootbeer/ Beerboy / all other names I used on this site in the past.. ;-\

Thank you David Martin for sticking up for me too!!

JP

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Rootbeer said:

patrick c tom said:

wouldn't have been worked on with such drive and
determination...how many photographers would buy a p45 if it were
two thousand dollars...Looking at current product line and current
numbers is crazy in such an innovative world as tech...If Canon
makes mf dslr and d backs affordable...prepare for the
revolution...Canon is figuring out it is much easier to build a
bigger sensor cheaper than to change physics and overload sensors
with more and more pixels while trying to keep noise down and
expand dynamic range...
--
patrick tom

Click to expand...

That could be,... and that would be pretty cool too.. However, I
heard nothing about a MF system.. ..just a MF back with a super
duper sized "Fevron" like CMOS sensor.. that will be available for
various MF cameras, already being built..

I have also heard that Canon has pretty much topped out at the MP
hike.. because adding more MP, will only increase noise,..

Click to expand...

Edit..for their 35mm digital lens system.. this is after they release the new "S" body.. I imagine it will be called the 1DsMk2N, or the 1DsMk3.. I have no clue about that.. the name is the least important..to me it amounts to "paint on the camera".....which will feature 22 MP.. and some other nifty features.. including a new rear LCD....which is like predicting that it will rain sometime in the next month.. nothing special about that.. There apparently will be no more MP's added to the 1.6 format cameras,..unless they develope a new technology that allows them to pack more pixels into that little chip without cranking up the noise at higher iso levels.. Take note of the performance of the 1.5 format camera's high iso performance.. the 1.6 format Canons are stronger in that regard.

Rootbeer said:

Oh,..and for those who wish that the ..(what I like to call them)..
the "Elan" class digital cameras, ie, the 30D on down to the
D30,..will be 1.3 crop, LOL...forget it! Not gonna happen.. They
will remain 1.6.. same with the Rebels..

Now,.. I have heard about a camera that should be (we'll wait &
see).. an 8fps 12MP FF body.. for $3,500

Click to expand...

...... Edit.. I haven't heard anything about the 5D upgrade,..or if there will be one for some time.. It's a great camera that is still selling very well.. I'd like to buy another one myself..

Rootbeer said:

I spoke to a fellow friend who was working with a "new technology"
on an "old camera base"..he could tell that the camera had been
worked on a lot.. and perhaps, it was just being used to test out
this technology.. If I reveal specifics, he'll kick my butt..

Gosh,..I heard from some guy in the Fuji forum, that Canon's FF was
about to be killed by some new camera by them... LOL... what ever
dude.. FF is more popular than ever..

Something unrelated.... Paul Buff Inc., will be introducing two
new "ring flash" units.. one based on their 800 Alien Bee light,
and the other will be a whole new unit for the "White Lightning
system.. which will feature a separate power supply, and a flash
head.. the power (effective WS...not so sure what that exactly
means).. will be 2,600 WS...(perhaps 1,300 true WS, who knows)...
they will be able to run off the Vegabonds. They will be priced at
lower than any competitor's counterpart product,..and I believe,
they will be the first monolight based RF system available.. We
should hear much more in 30-45 days from now..

That's the "inside" report from me / Rootbeer/ Beerboy / all other
names I used on this site in the past.. ;->
Thank you David Martin for sticking up for me too!!

JP

--
Please don't look at my GLAMOUR photography websites on my Profile!!

Click to expand...

--
http://www.onemodelplace.com/johnpaul

Rootbeer said:

Rootbeer said:

patrick c tom said:

wouldn't have been worked on with such drive and
determination...how many photographers would buy a p45 if it were
two thousand dollars...Looking at current product line and current
numbers is crazy in such an innovative world as tech...If Canon
makes mf dslr and d backs affordable...prepare for the
revolution...Canon is figuring out it is much easier to build a
bigger sensor cheaper than to change physics and overload sensors
with more and more pixels while trying to keep noise down and
expand dynamic range...
--
patrick tom

Click to expand...

That could be,... and that would be pretty cool too.. However, I
heard nothing about a MF system.. ..just a MF back with a super
duper sized "Fevron" like CMOS sensor.. that will be available for
various MF cameras, already being built..

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Sounds pretty odd. Is the latest you heard on this a couple of years ago?
I wonder if that is still what they plan?

Rootbeer said:

Rootbeer said:

I have also heard that Canon has pretty much topped out at the MP
hike.. because adding more MP, will only increase noise,..

Click to expand...

Edit..for their 35mm digital lens system.. this is after they
release the new "S" body.. I imagine it will be called the 1DsMk2N,
or the 1DsMk3.. I have no clue about that.. the name is the least
important..to me it amounts to "paint on the camera".....which will
feature 22 MP.. and some other nifty features.. including a new
rear LCD....which is like predicting that it will rain sometime in
the next month.. nothing special about that.. There apparently will
be no more MP's added to the 1.6 format cameras,..unless they
develope a new technology that allows them to pack more pixels into
that little chip without cranking up the noise at higher iso
levels.. Take note of the performance of the 1.5 format camera's
high iso performance.. the 1.6 format Canons are stronger in that
regard.

Rootbeer said:

Oh,..and for those who wish that the ..(what I like to call them)..
the "Elan" class digital cameras, ie, the 30D on down to the
D30,..will be 1.3 crop, LOL...forget it! Not gonna happen.. They
will remain 1.6.. same with the Rebels..

Now,.. I have heard about a camera that should be (we'll wait &
see).. an 8fps 12MP FF body.. for $3,500

Click to expand...

...... Edit.. I haven't heard anything about the 5D upgrade,..or
if there will be one for some time.. It's a great camera that is
still selling very well.. I'd like to buy another one myself..

Rootbeer said:

I spoke to a fellow friend who was working with a "new technology"
on an "old camera base"..he could tell that the camera had been
worked on a lot.. and perhaps, it was just being used to test out
this technology.. If I reveal specifics, he'll kick my butt..

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

That is soemthing else, different to the Foveon-type sensor?

Rootbeer said:

Rootbeer said:

Gosh,..I heard from some guy in the Fuji forum, that Canon's FF was
about to be killed by some new camera by them... LOL... what ever
dude.. FF is more popular than ever..

Something unrelated.... Paul Buff Inc., will be introducing two
new "ring flash" units.. one based on their 800 Alien Bee light,
and the other will be a whole new unit for the "White Lightning
system.. which will feature a separate power supply, and a flash
head.. the power (effective WS...not so sure what that exactly
means).. will be 2,600 WS...(perhaps 1,300 true WS, who knows)...
they will be able to run off the Vegabonds. They will be priced at
lower than any competitor's counterpart product,..and I believe,
they will be the first monolight based RF system available.. We
should hear much more in 30-45 days from now..

That's the "inside" report from me / Rootbeer/ Beerboy / all other
names I used on this site in the past.. ;->
Thank you David Martin for sticking up for me too!!

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

You're welcome!

Rootbeer said:

Rootbeer said:

JP

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Regards,
DaveMart

'Just a wildebeast on the plain of life'
Please see profile for equipment

I was just idly curious, and not being very mathematical I wondered what kind of filee sizes your poor old somputers would be dealing with with a chip at 55MP!

To make things even worse, suppose you then chose to use the HDR facility in CS2!
Anyone got any idea a of what specs of computer would be needed to cope?
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DaveMart

'Just a wildebeast on the plain of life'
Please see profile for equipment

... you are prepared for Hassleblad prices

If you are prepared to pay Hasselblad prices you might as well buy a Hassleblad

Canon would only do it to cover itself in glory- it has been rightly pointed out that it is a small and shrinking market and r&d costs and tooling would have to be recovered fromt those that bought examples.

Doesn't make a lot of commercial sense and is only of interest to those well-heeled enough in this specialist area.

In that area the right logo on the camera is as important as the mechanism inside the box.

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Tom Caldwell

hi Patrick,

patrick c tom said:

If Sony wanted to buy its way into the pro digital world it could...they've got stacks and stacks of money...

Click to expand...

patrick c tom said:

If Sony decides to go after d mf and innovates it to affordability and ease...Canon will have to go chasing...

Click to expand...

you have much more faith in Sony than I do. The large sensor game it not yet a commodity as is the consumer sensor market. So it's not as easy as throwing money at the problem. If they could have offered Nikon a FF sensor they would have.

j

Maybe they´re working to build bigger sensors for their own use.
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Andre

It seems that now, one of the reasons why MF market has shrank recently is the extremely high price of digital backs. Facing the $30000 cost to go digital many MF users end up choosing to switch to digital with a pro dslr like 1Ds MK2 or D2X. But if there is an alternative lower cost back things may be different especially if it allows an high ISO ceiling of 3200 instead 400.
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Andre

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Andre

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Andre

Andre Oliveira said:

Maybe they´re working to build bigger sensors for their own use.

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true, but the demand for the FF Nikon has been around for years..... and I would doubt that they had a plan to destroy Nikon by limiting their product and keeping it's own sensors hidden when a market exists today... and yesterday.

they may have something in the future, but it's not here today and Canon is... and the Canon FF sensor has been around since 02'

At some point in this game the big chips will be a commodity but until that happens we have a very limited number of vendors to choose from.

whether this MF camera is real or not, is less of interest than the idea that Canon (from the description) is playing around with an MF prototype and bigger sensors at a time when other companies are contracting or dropping out of the pro scene entirely.

regards,

j

the upper limit on FF? I believe 22MP this gives a pixel pitch similar to the 20D and if they dont want to cram any more pixels into the 20D/30D then it stands to reason they won't go past 22MP without new sensor technology. I would imagine lenses would become even more of an issue as well.

If the 1Dsmk?? goes to 22MP it would also seem logical for the 5D to get one more upgrade to 16MP in March if the typical 18 month upgrade cycle holds.

I've been itching for FF. Hopefully, the price of the 5D will drop a little more....

Rootbeer said:

Edit..for their 35mm digital lens system.. this is after they
release the new "S" body.. I imagine it will be called the 1DsMk2N,
or the 1DsMk3.. I have no clue about that.. the name is the least
important..to me it amounts to "paint on the camera".....which will
feature 22 MP.. and some other nifty features.. including a new
rear LCD....which is like predicting that it will rain sometime in
the next month.. nothing special about that.. There apparently will
be no more MP's added to the 1.6 format cameras,..unless they
develope a new technology that allows them to pack more pixels into
that little chip without cranking up the noise at higher iso
levels.. Take note of the performance of the 1.5 format camera's
high iso performance.. the 1.6 format Canons are stronger in that
regard.

Rootbeer said:

Oh,..and for those who wish that the ..(what I like to call them)..
the "Elan" class digital cameras, ie, the 30D on down to the
D30,..will be 1.3 crop, LOL...forget it! Not gonna happen.. They
will remain 1.6.. same with the Rebels..

Now,.. I have heard about a camera that should be (we'll wait &
see).. an 8fps 12MP FF body.. for $3,500

Click to expand...

...... Edit.. I haven't heard anything about the 5D upgrade,..or
if there will be one for some time.. It's a great camera that is
still selling very well.. I'd like to buy another one myself..

Rootbeer said:

I spoke to a fellow friend who was working with a "new technology"
on an "old camera base"..he could tell that the camera had been
worked on a lot.. and perhaps, it was just being used to test out
this technology.. If I reveal specifics, he'll kick my butt..

Gosh,..I heard from some guy in the Fuji forum, that Canon's FF was
about to be killed by some new camera by them... LOL... what ever
dude.. FF is more popular than ever..

Something unrelated.... Paul Buff Inc., will be introducing two
new "ring flash" units.. one based on their 800 Alien Bee light,
and the other will be a whole new unit for the "White Lightning
system.. which will feature a separate power supply, and a flash
head.. the power (effective WS...not so sure what that exactly
means).. will be 2,600 WS...(perhaps 1,300 true WS, who knows)...
they will be able to run off the Vegabonds. They will be priced at
lower than any competitor's counterpart product,..and I believe,
they will be the first monolight based RF system available.. We
should hear much more in 30-45 days from now..

That's the "inside" report from me / Rootbeer/ Beerboy / all other
names I used on this site in the past.. ;->
Thank you David Martin for sticking up for me too!!

JP

--
Please don't look at my GLAMOUR photography websites on my Profile!!

Click to expand...

--
http://www.onemodelplace.com/johnpaul

Click to expand...