17-35/2.8 or 17-55/2.8

I thought Lens warranties were valid even for imports (but camera
body warranties were restricted to country sold in)?

Different in US, because they get 4 yr warranties on official
imports vs 1 year in most other jurisdictions?

Maybe someone on the forum who understands these issues can advise.
You're right about the body warranties.

For lenses, and other accessories with a worldwide warranty, it depends on whether the item was OFFICIALLY imported into the country of sale.

Examples:

If I buy a lens in the USA (I have - several times), AND that lens was officially imported into the USA, by Nikon USA, the one year worldwide warranty applies and I can have the lens serviced under warranty by Nikon UK or any other worldwide division where I happen to live.

If I buy a lens in the UK, and the lens has not been officially imported by Nikon UK (eg, if the retailer has unofficially imported it from the Far East or USA), this is a "grey market" import; the warranty isn't valid anywhere, and it is down to the retailer to organise any warranty repairs. This is clearly less satisfactory than just being able to ship the lens off to Nikon UK.

This is further complicated by the fact that in some countries, like the USA, Nikon USA will not repair any grey market product, in or out of warranty, even if you pay them.

Hope that makes sense.

Graham
 
I shoot directly into the sun very, very often as I use
backlighting, silhouetteing in a large portion of my work.
(see: http://www.pbase.com/luminous/waterworld ).
For backlighting, silhouetting the 12-24 is extremely well suited.
I will use this lens at the 17-18 area 75% of the time for HCB
style work... and wide angle portraiture. No landscape, nature,
etc ever.
True. the 12-24 is less suited for portraiture... However I quote here Bjorn Rorslett about the 12-24:

"A direct comparison (@17mm) with the AFS 17-35 mm Nikkor indicated the 17-35 had more geometric distortion than the 12-24 DX, but exhibited slighly sharper images (at f/8). I hadn't the opportunity to repeat comparison at other common focal lengths, but wouldn't be surprised if the 12-24DX got the better of 17-35 at the 24mm end."

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Emil
 
Too hard to teach that...

I use the same tools that everyone does... my eye just serves as the guide to know what to do, the right combination varies on every photo....

; )
 
Emil,

Thanks... I do plan to get this as well....

I want to take the wide angle further than 17 (25mm with magnification) for use in portraiture... I use wide angles with humans to bring a surreal feel, weave it into the portraits... in fact, I am addicted to this as of late.

dR
 
Here are some comparison shots from a recent test session. The most important specs are in the filenames - see the EXIFs for more data. Warning: these are 2.3MB files.

http://julianv.home.mindspring.com/misc_photos/12-24 16mm,f8).jpg;

http://julianv.home.mindspring.com/misc_photos/12-24 24mm,f8).jpg;

http://julianv.home.mindspring.com/misc_photos/17-35 17mm,f8).jpg;

http://julianv.home.mindspring.com/misc_photos/17-35 25mm,f8).jpg;

http://julianv.home.mindspring.com/misc_photos/17-55 17mm,f5.6).jpg;

http://julianv.home.mindspring.com/misc_photos/17-55 24mm,f5.6).jpg;

Test details and pp info are summarized in this post:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=18415867
 
Graham,

Just checked with 7dayshop, the lens is imported, but they will give a 1 year warranty with themselves.

I've decided I can't afford a £800 short zoom, but thought you might be interested in this info.

Som
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Som Prasad
 
I'm flip-flopping between the two.

17-35 for absolute best wide-zoom, control of flare shooting into the sun
17-55 for added reach for travel, fewer lens changes

I could use my 50 f/1.8 for the gap from 35 to my 80-200, but that means changing.

On the otherhand, by that time I may have a second body, which would clarify/alter my choice.

Time will tell.

http://www.pbase.com/opus1/root
 
Me too.. and I'm currently in possession of both lenses!

Leaning towards the 17-35, but hope to post the conclusions of my tests later today.

And no, I'm not a wedding photographer.
Haha.. same exact for me.

; )
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-NG
 
Graham,

Just checked with 7dayshop, the lens is imported, but they will
give a 1 year warranty with themselves.

I've decided I can't afford a £800 short zoom, but thought you
might be interested in this info.
Thanks Som, the info is very much appreciated.

Graham
 
Guys...

At $900 for the 17-35/2.8, used for only one photo session... albsolutely brand new condition.

Is the deal strong?

How is the warranty handled if I can get the receipt from the owner as well?

Thanks.

dR
 
Sounds like a great deal to me. Course, I'm used to inlfated UK prices. That's less half the price of a new one here.

Having said that, I would really only be confident buying it if you have the option to get return and get a refund if you don't like it. I mean, why was it only used for one photo session? (Me, I'm weary of sample variation).
Guys...

At $900 for the 17-35/2.8, used for only one photo session...
albsolutely brand new condition.

Is the deal strong?

How is the warranty handled if I can get the receipt from the owner
as well?

Thanks.

dR
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-NG
 
I've choosen the 17-35 for its better flare/ghosting performance.

Bjørn Rørslett writes on the 17-35:

The 17-35 performs extremely well when shooting into bright light, in fact its performance in this respects surpasses most prime lenses. Flare and ghosting evidently are strictly controlled. I've never used a zoom with this degree of superior flare and ghosting control before.

And on the 17-55:

The 17-55 DX exhibits quite nasty ghosting under strongly backlit conditions, and there is significant flare shown as well.
Reference:
http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_zoom_01.html

By the way, the same is true for the AF-S 80-200 and the AF-S 70-200 VR.

My galleries:
http://www.millhouse.nl/d1x+17-35.html
http://www.millhouse.nl/d70+80-200.html

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Regards,

Fred Kamphues
http://www.millhouse.nl
 
Well, I've just spent way too much time testing these two lenses. Using a tripod and SB-800, I shot pictures of a wall-to-wall/floor-to-ceiling bookshelf from 12 feet away, and foliage from about 100 feet away from the same spot for both lenses, and at all apertures (also tested the 28/1.4 and the 28-70/2.8 while I was at it).

I don't mean to upset anyone, but this what I found: my copy of the 17-35 is better than the 17-55 lens I have from 17mm - 28mm AT ALL FOCAL LENGTHS (f2.8 and up). At 35mm, the 17-55 gets sharper than the 17-35 - more so at f2.8, but by f11 they are about the same again.

As this went against current received opinion about the 17-55 being "sharper" than the 17-35 from f2.8-f4, I tested again and again to see if was going crazy. Same results every time.

Now, before people start saying I have a bad sample of the 17-55 (which may well be the case), I have to say that I used the 17-55 for a few days just to take some regular day to day shots. The results were really quite stunning. Technically it's very good - ie., sharp and great color rendition. The focal range is perfect. This is a great lens - no doubt about it. If I hadn't used the 17-35 I would have been more than happy with it. But I have also did some day to day shooting with the 17-35, and I have to say it yielded more pictures which have that undescribable "wow" factor, an ethereal quality which you see with a lot of pictures taken with the 85/1.4. I don't know - maybe I have a bad 17-55 or a frighteningly good 17-35, but what I see is what I see.

I've had a few days obsessing over which one to keep (not a nice place to be), but finally I've decided once and for all, after carefully looking at all the pictures I've taken over the last week with these two lenses, that the 17-35 is staying and the 17-55 has to find another home.

This decision seems to go against logic. The 17-55 has the extra 20mm and is cheaper. But for me the qualities of the 17-35 more than make up for this. (Build quality is beter too) And frankly, I'm not a wedding photographer and for the type of photography I do, the 50/1.4 and 85/1.4 are usually great. I was looking for a very sharp wide angle lens, and the 17-35 looks like it's the ticket.

Other things I found during the course of the testing:

1. I could make the 17-55 flare quite easily by pointing it at a my spotlight table lamp (a white haze over the entire frame). Not so with the 17-35.

2. In exactly the same lighting conditions, zoomed in at 100% the 17-35 pictures look slightly cleaner in places. Zooming in to 300% I could see what looked like more noise in the 17-55 images. These pictures where at ISO100 with an SB-800. My theory is that the 17-35 has more resolving power, so the D200 processor has to do less extrapolation between color gradations. That's just my theory.

3. Harder to find CA in images taken with the 17-35 than with the 17-55.

Well, that's what I found. Like I said - don't mean to upset anyone. Sample variations can go both ways sometimes. I'm sure some copies of the 17-55 would wipe the floor with other copies of the 17-35. But I'm more than happy with my 17-35. It's unfortunate - but thats the way it is with top lenses (leica and voigtlander have the same problems).

Finally, I agree with Bjørn Rørslett in his review of the 17-55 when he says "Under direct side-by-side comparison with the 17-35 and 28-70 Nikkors, the new DX lens gives virtually identical results to these old champions in the longer range of each of them (28 to 35mm and 35 to 55 mm, respectively)." From my tests, I would add that from 17-28, the 17-35 lens is better.

Long live the king.

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-NG
 
I've had a few days obsessing over which one to keep (not a nice
place to be), but finally I've decided once and for all, after
carefully looking at all the pictures I've taken over the last week
with these two lenses, that the 17-35 is staying and the 17-55 has
to find another home.
I was kinda hoping you'd keep the 17-55 and sell me the 17-35 for cheap. :-)

Not that I really need one, but I want one. My little sigma 18-50 is doing well for me at the moment and seems to resist flare pretty well too. But, I'd still like to have that legendary lens.

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my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
 
I don't mean to upset anyone, but this what I found: my copy of the
17-35 is better than the 17-55 lens I have from 17mm - 28mm AT ALL
FOCAL LENGTHS (f2.8 and up). At 35mm, the 17-55 gets sharper than
the 17-35 - more so at f2.8, but by f11 they are about the same
again.
A disturbing report. When I get my 17-55, I'll be renting another one AND a 17-35.
 
I haven't used both lenses....but have just loss the use of my 17-35 at work when they switched to canon. The Canon 16-35 has a lot more flare than the nikon17-35. I do miss the Nikon lens.

an excellent lens (17-35) it gets my vote.
 
interesting read.

I have used and unfortunately abused three 17-35's over the years.
The first one had the focusing squeak.
The second one was hit by a hockey ball.(now a little bent and buckled)

The third one is alive and well and living in a cupboard as backup gear in a building across town.(what a waste of a good lens). I will have to go and rescue it for a day and take it out for some exercise.
 

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