Ok, some of you will hate me for posting this but...

Daniella68313 · Dec 4, 2001

Hello,

I was surprised by a comment from a C2100 user about you need to turn off the IS when you put the C2100 on a tripod.

that made me wonder why i had no problem to get sharp shot handheld at full zoom with my C700 and i had many out of focus or blurred with the C2100, despite the IS.

So i borrowed the C2100 again and did a little test. I took some picture when i though my hands were at the most steady, looking carefully at the view finder to see precisly and i took some shots like that. I did the same but this time took the shots when my hands seemed to be more shaking and i got really wierd result...the shot where i was shaking more where sharper!?

Does that meen that the IS is working better if you are actually shaking? I seem to have a good steady hand and i don't drink coffee, but i got worse less sharp picture when i was at my most steady...wierd huh?

Daniella

Sandman · Dec 4, 2001

Daniella3d,

Hmmmmmm. Interesting observation! Looking forward to hearing the reaction of other UZI uzers! Thanks for posting this.

Jim

wrote:

Daniella68313 said:
Hello,

I was surprised by a comment from a C2100 user about you need to
turn off the IS when you put the C2100 on a tripod.

that made me wonder why i had no problem to get sharp shot handheld
at full zoom with my C700 and i had many out of focus or blurred
with the C2100, despite the IS.

So i borrowed the C2100 again and did a little test. I took some
picture when i though my hands were at the most steady, looking
carefully at the view finder to see precisly and i took some shots
like that. I did the same but this time took the shots when my
hands seemed to be more shaking and i got really wierd result...the
shot where i was shaking more where sharper!?

Does that meen that the IS is working better if you are actually
shaking? I seem to have a good steady hand and i don't drink
coffee, but i got worse less sharp picture when i was at my most
steady...wierd huh?

Daniella

--galleries at: http://www.pbase.com/sandman3

Juli Valley · Dec 4, 2001

Sandman said:
Daniella3d,

Hmmmmmm. Interesting observation! Looking forward to hearing the
reaction of other UZI uzers! Thanks for posting this.

Jim

Whatever floats your boat. Now, I never have out of focus shots. ;-)--Juli

Jeff S · Dec 4, 2001

I have found that unless you nees the IS you should shut it off. It requires some extra battery power to operate, but there are times when you must us it and it works fine. They reccommend that you turn it off when using a tripod or other steady devices, so if you are super steady you may infact confuse it so you get inferior pictures.

I wish I had that steady of a hand.

--Jeff SUZI 2100 Casio 10 TCON 14 C-210 ETX 60 Etc Etc

Daniella68313 · Dec 4, 2001

Really? you never got any blurred picture? Sorry but i find that hard to beleive, everybody does from time to time, yes even the c2100 users

, and after trying the c2100 and many other digital cameras, i found that even using a tripod sometime you get blurred picture because the focus fail or some other reason.

My post though was mostly an observation about the IS and how its working...and it is in relation to the some earlier message from a C2100 owner posted in this forum about you have to turn off IS if you put your C2100 on a tripod...i was wondering is this could be the reason for my blurred picture and i think it is.

Daniella

Juli Valley said:
Sandman said:

Daniella3d,

Hmmmmmm. Interesting observation! Looking forward to hearing the
reaction of other UZI uzers! Thanks for posting this.

Jim

Click to expand...

Whatever floats your boat. Now, I never have out of focus shots. ;-)
--
Juli

Juli Valley · Dec 4, 2001

Daniella3d said:
Really? you never got any blurred picture? Sorry but i find that
hard to beleive, everybody does from time to time, yes even the
c2100 users , and after trying the c2100 and many other digital
cameras, i found that even using a tripod sometime you get blurred
picture because the focus fail or some other reason.

Daniella3d,

Of course I get blurred pictures. I was kidding. Didn't you see the grin symbol right after I said that? It's my playful sense of humor. --Juli

Edwin57917 · Dec 4, 2001

Daniella,

I cannot say that I have never gotten blurred images with my Uzi.
There are several circumstances where the IS would come in useful
when :-

a) the shutterspeed is set pretty low (under 1/60th or more) depending
on how steady your hands are.

b) when you are using the ultra zoom with low shutterspeed, things
tend to shake a lot.

During my photo trips, I walk a lot and after a while I tend to get
really tired and that is when things just to be 'un-steady'. With
my Uzi, I am able to take most 1/30th images with a single hand.

I find that if I am using the EVF, I am able to anchor the camera
on my nose and with the straps wrapped round my hands, I do
get it more or less steady.

There are times when you are taking off a moving vehicle, the
IS would also be useful.

Of course, there are times when my images get blur because
my subject disappear before I could take them, especially my dog,
he tends to scrumble off right when I take the shot.

Yup, basically if you have ready steady hands and not taking at
10x zoom at low shutter speed, you should do well without IS.

Edwin

Daniella3d said:
Really? you never got any blurred picture? Sorry but i find that
hard to beleive, everybody does from time to time, yes even the
c2100 users , and after trying the c2100 and many other digital
cameras, i found that even using a tripod sometime you get blurred
picture because the focus fail or some other reason.

My post though was mostly an observation about the IS and how its
working...and it is in relation to the some earlier message from a
C2100 owner posted in this forum about you have to turn off IS if
you put your C2100 on a tripod...i was wondering is this could be
the reason for my blurred picture and i think it is.

Daniella

------ http://www.pbase.com/eddy2099My Digital photo album

Clicker · Dec 4, 2001

Yes... true. I believe the IS does "need" some shake. I really notice this when using the B Macro.

When IS is on, and the UZI is on a tripod, the image will actually jump back and forth (left to right). So it is possible to catch a sharp image in-between "jumps".

When the IS is turned off, and the UZI is on a tripod, there is no "jumping"

I have seen this with my own eyes... so whenever I am on a tripod, IS is turned off.

HTH

-- ~~Clicker~~

Daniella68313 · Dec 4, 2001

I hope i keep that steady hand for long time, at least as long as i have my C700

I do see a bit of dancing when i look into the viewfinder but that does not seem to be enough to disturb the image. I guess the IS is designed for a certain "range" of user motion and you have to keep in that range in order to get sharp picture. Probably the IS system is expecting some minimum motion and if you go below that level it get confused. Not sure and i could not find that post explaining the system again. It was posted regarding night photography by one C2100 user in this forum.

Daniella

Jeffrey Schock said:
I have found that unless you nees the IS you should shut it off.
It requires some extra battery power to operate, but there are
times when you must us it and it works fine. They reccommend that
you turn it off when using a tripod or other steady devices, so if
you are super steady you may infact confuse it so you get inferior
pictures.

I wish I had that steady of a hand.

--
Jeff S
UZI 2100 Casio 10 TCON 14 C-210 ETX 60 Etc Etc

Daniella68313 · Dec 4, 2001

ho good, so i know i am not crazy and allucinating

I have not tried C2100 with a tripod but i have noticed this with handheld steady shot. although it should be really noticable on a tripod.

Daniella

Clicker said:
Yes... true. I believe the IS does "need" some shake. I really
notice this when using the B Macro.

When IS is on, and the UZI is on a tripod, the image will actually
jump back and forth (left to right). So it is possible to catch a
sharp image in-between "jumps".

When the IS is turned off, and the UZI is on a tripod, there is no
"jumping"
I have seen this with my own eyes... so whenever I am on a tripod,
IS is turned off.

HTH

--
~~Clicker~~

3DTIM · Dec 4, 2001

Daniella3d said:
Really? you never got any blurred picture? Sorry but i find that
hard to beleive, everybody does from time to time, yes even the
c2100 users , and after trying the c2100 and many other digital
cameras, i found that even using a tripod sometime you get blurred
picture because the focus fail or some other reason.

My post though was mostly an observation about the IS and how its
working...and it is in relation to the some earlier message from a
C2100 owner posted in this forum about you have to turn off IS if
you put your C2100 on a tripod...i was wondering is this could be
the reason for my blurred picture and i think it is.

Daniella

Daniella,

The earlier posting of needing to turn off IS when using a tripod is
correct. It is also clearly documented on page 97 of the manual.
It states that IS mode is not suitable when using a tripod,cinepanhead,
or a conversion lens.

Perfectly focussed pictures can obviously be made with or without IS.
"stuff" happens.

You're C-700 pictures are great!

Tim

Karl S. · Dec 4, 2001

Daniella3d said:
Hello,

I was surprised by a comment from a C2100 user about you need to
turn off the IS when you put the C2100 on a tripod.

The instruction manuals for the C-2100 (page 97) and E-100 (page 135) both state that IS "mode is not suitable when using a tripod, cinepanhead or conversion lens."

Lance

Daniella68313 · Dec 4, 2001

Hello,

Thanks for the comment. The C700 is a great camera as all the Olympus, although i wish i had the lamp assited focus you guys have on the C2100, snif snif...

Do they explain why in the manua the IS gets confused on very steady shot? sorry i don't have the c2100 manual.

what's a cinepanhead?

You meen that you have to turn IS off when using a teleconverter? wow, that's when you need it the most...why is that?

Daniella

3DTIM said:
Daniella,

The earlier posting of needing to turn off IS when using a tripod is
correct. It is also clearly documented on page 97 of the manual.
It states that IS mode is not suitable when using a
tripod,cinepanhead,
or a conversion lens.

Perfectly focussed pictures can obviously be made with or without IS.
"stuff" happens.

You're C-700 pictures are great!

Tim

Daniella68313 · Dec 4, 2001

yes but in my original post i mention that i was using my hands and holding the camera. If you have steady hand this can actually be a bad thing with IS turned ON. I was not using a tripod but just my own hands.

Looks like the IS needs a certain amount of shaking in order not to get confused and i thought this was strange.

Daniella

Lance Shockley said:
Daniella3d said:

Hello,

I was surprised by a comment from a C2100 user about you need to
turn off the IS when you put the C2100 on a tripod.

Click to expand...

The instruction manuals for the C-2100 (page 97) and E-100 (page
135) both state that IS "mode is not suitable when using a tripod,
cinepanhead or conversion lens."

Lance

Wildcat47074 · Dec 4, 2001

Daniella,

Of course I don't hate you for posting this. Since your first posts when you reported no need for the UZI's IS, I suspected you were one of those rare people with an extremely steady camera grip technique. It's probably due to some combination of your age, physical condition, metabolism, genetics and great technique.

I admire your ability to hold the camera so steady but you need to remember we're not all so blessed. For us, the IS zoom on the UZI is a God send.

Digirato

Daniella3d said:
Hello,

I was surprised by a comment from a C2100 user about you need to
turn off the IS when you put the C2100 on a tripod.

Karl S. · Dec 4, 2001

A cinepanhead is for movie cameras.I guess Oly thinks we will use one for our few seconds of video capture.
They give no reasons in the manual.Just indicate it may not work.
Lance

3DTIM · Dec 4, 2001

Daniella3d said:
Thanks for the comment. The C700 is a great camera as all the
Olympus, although i wish i had the lamp assited focus you guys have
on the C2100, snif snif...

Do they explain why in the manua the IS gets confused on very
steady shot? sorry i don't have the c2100 manual.

what's a cinepanhead?

You meen that you have to turn IS off when using a teleconverter?
wow, that's when you need it the most...why is that?

Daniella

3DTIM said:

Daniella,

The earlier posting of needing to turn off IS when using a tripod is
correct. It is also clearly documented on page 97 of the manual.
It states that IS mode is not suitable when using a
tripod,cinepanhead,
or a conversion lens.

Perfectly focussed pictures can obviously be made with or without IS.
"stuff" happens.

You're C-700 pictures are great!

Tim

Click to expand...

Daniella,

No explanations given. I assume the cinepanhead is a panning
attachment for a tripod? It does mention that it takes 1 sec.
to stabilise the image after pressing the shutter halfway,
and that depressing the shutter fully too soon would not
work properly. It also says that if shutter speed is too low
the IS mode would not function.

Tim

Daniella68313 · Dec 4, 2001

Yes i am sure it is a very usefull feature for many people, not questioning this..i was just amazed that the IS actually need a certain amount of shaking in order to get sharp picture with IS turned ON.

when i think i was taking care not to shake when i was using it...did not need to as it was only making it worse

Daniella

Digirato said:
Of course I don't hate you for posting this. Since your first posts
when you reported no need for the UZI's IS, I suspected you were
one of those rare people with an extremely steady camera grip
technique. It's probably due to some combination of your age,
physical condition, metabolism, genetics and great technique.

I admire your ability to hold the camera so steady but you need to
remember we're not all so blessed. For us, the IS zoom on the UZI
is a God send.

Digirato

Daniella3d said:

Hello,

I was surprised by a comment from a C2100 user about you need to
turn off the IS when you put the C2100 on a tripod.

Click to expand...

Daniella68313 · Dec 4, 2001

one second? not very practical for candid action shot though. I am surprised that they say the teleconverter as well, so if you put a teleconverter on the C2100 you need to turn IS off?

wierd.

Daniella

3DTIM said:
Daniella,

No explanations given. I assume the cinepanhead is a panning
attachment for a tripod? It does mention that it takes 1 sec.
to stabilise the image after pressing the shutter halfway,
and that depressing the shutter fully too soon would not
work properly. It also says that if shutter speed is too low
the IS mode would not function.

Tim

Juli Valley · Dec 4, 2001

Lance Shockley said:
Daniella3d said:

Hello,

I was surprised by a comment from a C2100 user about you need to
turn off the IS when you put the C2100 on a tripod.

Click to expand...

The instruction manuals for the C-2100 (page 97) and E-100 (page
135) both state that IS "mode is not suitable when using a tripod,
cinepanhead or conversion lens."

Lance

I disagree on turning IS off when using a teleconverter. When I took a photo of a full moon on Halloween, I would never have caught the shot in focus without it. Now, I wasn't using a tripod; I was handholding the camera. --Juli

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