Just got an S10 - love it!

Eric Bazan

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(I also posted this to rec.photo.digital, but I'm also
posting this here as it was phil's review of the camera
which finally prompted me to buy it.)

I remember going down to the local camera shop to see
the Canon S10. It looked like a nice point-and-shoot film
camera. With its small body and cute looks it seemed nice,
but it was hard to take seriously. I mean, the diameter
of the objective on this camera is about the size of a
penny. Focused onto a tiny 1/2" CCD. It looked nice, but
was it worth $600.00?

I bought a Kodak DC210+ a little over a year ago. Not
a bad camera, but I was always disappointed with it. The
resolution of the Kodak just wasn't that good. So I
vacillated a long time before buying the S10. I wanted
a small no-fuss camera, but it had to produce decent images.

Well, I finally decided to purchase the S10 last Friday.
I've been simply floored with the image quality of this
camera! It's better then I expected (it completely blows
the Kodak away).

The S10 produces bright, sharp, contrasty images. It
has a small but beautiful LCD display, easily visible even
in direct sunlight. The controls are well laid out, and
overall the camera feels solid. The Canon's processor is
quick - I seldom had to wait for the camera before I could
take another shot - something that happened often with the
Kodak.

I ran around all weekend taking pictures like some sort
of maniac. Took a couple hundred pictures with the camera.
I've put up a small gallery (9 images) at:

http://www.geocities.com/theoneboo

Overall I love the camera, however I have two complaints/
observations.

First, the camera should come with a rechargable
battery and charger. I can see not including a battery if
it was something that could be purchased elsewhere, but
Canon's recharchable battery is proprietary, and must be
ordered from Canon. I almost didn't buy the Camera when I
found this out. Sure, one can purchase the lithium 2CR5
(disposable) battery, but at $10.00 a pop who can afford
them?

The S10 uses a CYGM CCD filter to extract color
information. Most manufactorers use an RGB filter. I
think the CYGM mask is partially responsible for the
Canon's outstanding contrast. You see, the CYGM filter
preserves luminence information better than an RGB filter,
but does so at the expense of color accuracy (chroma).
It's a classic example of information theory at work.
Using a single CCD to extract color information means you
can have one or the other, but not both (color accuracy vs.
luminence accuracy). Most manufactorers use an RGB filter,
which probably gives better color accuracy.

I've got no major beefs with the Canon's color balance,
though it definitely has some interesting biases. For
example, the camera has trouble with deep blue skies.
Almost all the sky shots had a purple/magenta bias.
Shadowed areas sometimes displayed a blue cast.
See my galley for an example of the purple sky

Despite the above complaints I love the camera, and
recommend it without hesitation. Don't be deceived
by the S10's small size - as far as its performance
goes it really is a 'mighty mite'

-Eric B.
 
Awesome.

Thanks for sharing Eric! I think you can pick up alot of valuable information from these forums. Sometimes you have to take a few of the responses with a grain of salt though. You do have a couple of things in common with the majority of people who frequent this particular forum: you really, really looked and read during your search; and found that the Canon can be a very special camera once you used it.

Please keep sharing.

calvin13
 
Hi Erick,

As far as I know,my S-10 doesn't have a purple/magneta tinge problem on blue sky and I don't know of any reports about this issue in this forum. The blue cast in a shadow area is one of the problems the S-10 has(other cameras have the same problem,more or less) and I believe it is caused by UV and it can be corrected by a Sky 1-A filter.

The purple/magneta tinge problem is exactly the same problem that the S-20 has and I wonder if the most recent S-10s share the same problem with the S-20.

But,the S-10 is an excellent camera.Keep posting your pics.

Happy shooting,
Hide
 
Hello Hide! I bought an S20 about a week ago and returned it for the S10 within 2 days. (I wasn't thrilled with the S20's color.) I have not found this problem with the "newer" S10's. The S10 that I have seems to share the same characteristics as the old ones. I'm thrilled with mine.

By the way, I enjoy reading your comments here about the S10. When I'm ready to purchase a Kinko lens I'll send you an e-mail.
Hi Erick,

As far as I know,my S-10 doesn't have a purple/magneta tinge problem on
blue sky and I don't know of any reports about this issue in this forum.
The blue cast in a shadow area is one of the problems the S-10 has(other
cameras have the same problem,more or less) and I believe it is caused by
UV and it can be corrected by a Sky 1-A filter.

The purple/magneta tinge problem is exactly the same problem that the
S-20 has and I wonder if the most recent S-10s share the same problem
with the S-20.

But,the S-10 is an excellent camera.Keep posting your pics.

Happy shooting,
Hide
 
I too bought the Kodak 210+ and have been mildly ok with it... but today at lunchtime I wandered into a Ritz Camera shop and there it was... MY NEW CAMERA... CANON S20....

Can't wait for the sun to come out!!!!!!

Guess there'll be a couple of 210+s on ebay tonight... or should I give it to my stepson to use while at college???
(I also posted this to rec.photo.digital, but I'm also
posting this here as it was phil's review of the camera
which finally prompted me to buy it.)

I remember going down to the local camera shop to see
the Canon S10. It looked like a nice point-and-shoot film
camera. With its small body and cute looks it seemed nice,
but it was hard to take seriously. I mean, the diameter
of the objective on this camera is about the size of a
penny. Focused onto a tiny 1/2" CCD. It looked nice, but
was it worth $600.00?

I bought a Kodak DC210+ a little over a year ago. Not
a bad camera, but I was always disappointed with it. The
resolution of the Kodak just wasn't that good. So I
vacillated a long time before buying the S10. I wanted
a small no-fuss camera, but it had to produce decent images.

Well, I finally decided to purchase the S10 last Friday.
I've been simply floored with the image quality of this
camera! It's better then I expected (it completely blows
the Kodak away).

The S10 produces bright, sharp, contrasty images. It
has a small but beautiful LCD display, easily visible even
in direct sunlight. The controls are well laid out, and
overall the camera feels solid. The Canon's processor is
quick - I seldom had to wait for the camera before I could
take another shot - something that happened often with the
Kodak.

I ran around all weekend taking pictures like some sort
of maniac. Took a couple hundred pictures with the camera.
I've put up a small gallery (9 images) at:

http://www.geocities.com/theoneboo

Overall I love the camera, however I have two complaints/
observations.

First, the camera should come with a rechargable
battery and charger. I can see not including a battery if
it was something that could be purchased elsewhere, but
Canon's recharchable battery is proprietary, and must be
ordered from Canon. I almost didn't buy the Camera when I
found this out. Sure, one can purchase the lithium 2CR5
(disposable) battery, but at $10.00 a pop who can afford
them?

The S10 uses a CYGM CCD filter to extract color
information. Most manufactorers use an RGB filter. I
think the CYGM mask is partially responsible for the
Canon's outstanding contrast. You see, the CYGM filter
preserves luminence information better than an RGB filter,
but does so at the expense of color accuracy (chroma).
It's a classic example of information theory at work.
Using a single CCD to extract color information means you
can have one or the other, but not both (color accuracy vs.
luminence accuracy). Most manufactorers use an RGB filter,
which probably gives better color accuracy.

I've got no major beefs with the Canon's color balance,
though it definitely has some interesting biases. For
example, the camera has trouble with deep blue skies.
Almost all the sky shots had a purple/magenta bias.
Shadowed areas sometimes displayed a blue cast.
See my galley for an example of the purple sky

Despite the above complaints I love the camera, and
recommend it without hesitation. Don't be deceived
by the S10's small size - as far as its performance
goes it really is a 'mighty mite'

-Eric B.
 
Eric,

Just out of curiosity, what firmware version is being reported for your new S10? Is it 1.0.0.1?You can access the information through zoombrowser.
Thanks,
Peter
 
Hello Hide! I bought an S20 about a week ago and returned it for the S10
within 2 days. (I wasn't thrilled with the S20's color.) I have not
found this problem with the "newer" S10's. The S10 that I have seems to
share the same characteristics as the old ones. I'm thrilled with mine.

By the way, I enjoy reading your comments here about the S10. When I'm
ready to purchase a Kinko lens I'll send you an e-mail.
Hi Dan,

I'm sure you'll love the Kenko. I bought it thinking that I would use it for mostly long zoom shots,but I was thrilled to find that it worked excellently for both macros and close-ups. This lens is excellent.

On a bright day,it's hard to see an image on LCD while adjusting the focus of the kenko. I'm thinking about getting a LCD hood. You can get it for around $16.

Anyway, keep happy shooting.

Hide
 
I am about to get an S10. How do you know if your are getting one of the newer S10s? Is it related to the firmware version? How can I make sure?

Thanks,

Santiago
Hello Hide! I bought an S20 about a week ago and returned it for the S10
within 2 days. (I wasn't thrilled with the S20's color.) I have not
found this problem with the "newer" S10's. The S10 that I have seems to
share the same characteristics as the old ones. I'm thrilled with mine.

By the way, I enjoy reading your comments here about the S10. When I'm
ready to purchase a Kinko lens I'll send you an e-mail.
Hi Dan,

I'm sure you'll love the Kenko. I bought it thinking that I would use it
for mostly long zoom shots,but I was thrilled to find that it worked
excellently for both macros and close-ups. This lens is excellent.

On a bright day,it's hard to see an image on LCD while adjusting the
focus of the kenko. I'm thinking about getting a LCD hood. You can get it
for around $16.

Anyway, keep happy shooting.

Hide
 
I am about to get an S10. How do you know if your are getting one of the newer S10s? Is it related to the firmware version? How can I make sure?

Thanks,

Santiago
Eric,
Just out of curiosity, what firmware version is being reported for your
new S10? Is it 1.0.0.1?You can access the information through
zoombrowser.
Thanks,
Peter
 
Eric,
Just out of curiosity, what firmware version is being reported for your
new S10? Is it 1.0.0.1?You can access the information through
zoombrowser.
Thanks,
Peter
Peter,

Looking at the camera settings it appears I've got the same
firmware version (1.0.0.1).

-Eric
 
I am about to get an S10. How do you know if your are getting one of the
newer S10s? Is it related to the firmware version? How can I make sure?
Hi Santiago,

The main problems of the S-10 are:

1) when you take a shot of people with flash,skin tones look yellowish. This is a white balance problem with the flash. There is a good workaround for this,but take a shot of people with the flash at a store and check its image on LCD.

If the skin tones look natural to you,then the camera might have a firmware incorporated in it already.

2) when you take a moving subject in auto mode with the flash,the image turnes out to be blurry. This is because of 1/15 shutter speed when you use the flash. The new firmware,I hear,has 1/30 shutter speed when you use the flash so that the image won't be blurry.

So, take a moving subject with the flash and check the image. But I have to tell you this:if the camera gets a shake,you'll get a blurry shot.This one takes a practice and I'm afraid that it might be a little hard for you to do this at a store in a limited time.

Also,this is very important. Don't press the shutter down at once. It will cause a camera shake and you'll get a blurry shot. Press it halfway and you'll hear a beep(the camera prefocuses the subject)and then press it down.

You can try at least #1. And study the camera review of the S-10 at Phil's site so that you remember the basic functions. I did that before I went to a store to check the camera.When I got the camera in my hand at the store, I was
already familiar with it.

Hide
 
Hide -

Where can one buy a lens hood? I used my S-10 to take pictures this past weekend while snow shoeing, and the LCD screen was virtually impossible to see in the bright sunlight.

I am looking forward to receiving my Kenko lens and adaptor, together with a couple of filters.
Hello Hide! I bought an S20 about a week ago and returned it for the S10
within 2 days. (I wasn't thrilled with the S20's color.) I have not
found this problem with the "newer" S10's. The S10 that I have seems to
share the same characteristics as the old ones. I'm thrilled with mine.

By the way, I enjoy reading your comments here about the S10. When I'm
ready to purchase a Kinko lens I'll send you an e-mail.
Hi Dan,

I'm sure you'll love the Kenko. I bought it thinking that I would use it
for mostly long zoom shots,but I was thrilled to find that it worked
excellently for both macros and close-ups. This lens is excellent.

On a bright day,it's hard to see an image on LCD while adjusting the
focus of the kenko. I'm thinking about getting a LCD hood. You can get it
for around $16.

Anyway, keep happy shooting.

Hide
 
Hide -

Where can one buy a lens hood? I used my S-10 to take pictures this past
weekend while snow shoeing, and the LCD screen was virtually impossible
to see in the bright sunlight.

I am looking forward to receiving my Kenko lens and adaptor, together
with a couple of filters.
Hi K,

I didn't order a LCD hood yet,but I will. I found this at Steve's Digicam site. It's called "Xtend-a View".

You can get more infos about this at this site:

http://www.photosolve.com/xtendaview.asp

I sent Steve some Kenko's sample shots a while ago and to my surprise,he put my sample shots in his site:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/kenko_8x32.html

K,you won't be disappointed by the Kenko.It's an excellent lens. I'm still trying to figure out what's the best situation( or lighting conditions) to use filters(sky-1-A, 812 warming filter) to get the best result.

The first sample shots with the filters I posted were pretty good,I thought. Especially, the one with the 812,but the second group sample shots were not very good.I think the lighting is the key.

I'm thinking about going to the zoo sometime this month so that I can take real good animal shots with the Keko.

Keep in touch.

Hide
 
(I also posted this to rec.photo.digital, but I'm also
posting this here as it was phil's review of the camera
which finally prompted me to buy it.)

I remember going down to the local camera shop to see
the Canon S10. It looked like a nice point-and-shoot film
camera. With its small body and cute looks it seemed nice,
but it was hard to take seriously. I mean, the diameter
of the objective on this camera is about the size of a
penny. Focused onto a tiny 1/2" CCD. It looked nice, but
was it worth $600.00?

I bought a Kodak DC210+ a little over a year ago. Not
a bad camera, but I was always disappointed with it. The
resolution of the Kodak just wasn't that good. So I
vacillated a long time before buying the S10. I wanted
a small no-fuss camera, but it had to produce decent images.

Well, I finally decided to purchase the S10 last Friday.
I've been simply floored with the image quality of this
camera! It's better then I expected (it completely blows
the Kodak away).

The S10 produces bright, sharp, contrasty images. It
has a small but beautiful LCD display, easily visible even
in direct sunlight. The controls are well laid out, and
overall the camera feels solid. The Canon's processor is
quick - I seldom had to wait for the camera before I could
take another shot - something that happened often with the
Kodak.

I ran around all weekend taking pictures like some sort
of maniac. Took a couple hundred pictures with the camera.
I've put up a small gallery (9 images) at:

http://www.geocities.com/theoneboo

Overall I love the camera, however I have two complaints/
observations.

First, the camera should come with a rechargable
battery and charger. I can see not including a battery if
it was something that could be purchased elsewhere, but
Canon's recharchable battery is proprietary, and must be
ordered from Canon. I almost didn't buy the Camera when I
found this out. Sure, one can purchase the lithium 2CR5
(disposable) battery, but at $10.00 a pop who can afford
them?

The S10 uses a CYGM CCD filter to extract color
information. Most manufactorers use an RGB filter. I
think the CYGM mask is partially responsible for the
Canon's outstanding contrast. You see, the CYGM filter
preserves luminence information better than an RGB filter,
but does so at the expense of color accuracy (chroma).
It's a classic example of information theory at work.
Using a single CCD to extract color information means you
can have one or the other, but not both (color accuracy vs.
luminence accuracy). Most manufactorers use an RGB filter,
which probably gives better color accuracy.

I've got no major beefs with the Canon's color balance,
though it definitely has some interesting biases. For
example, the camera has trouble with deep blue skies.
Almost all the sky shots had a purple/magenta bias.
Shadowed areas sometimes displayed a blue cast.
See my galley for an example of the purple sky

Despite the above complaints I love the camera, and
recommend it without hesitation. Don't be deceived
by the S10's small size - as far as its performance
goes it really is a 'mighty mite'

-Eric B.

Did you set camera on tripod? Why someone told me that it has mation blur problem?
 
Did you set camera on tripod? Why someone told me that it has mation blur problem?
I only used a tripod for the pic of the Oak tree.
All the other shots were handheld. The camera will
tend to blur on flash shot as the shutter is fixed
at 1/15 of a second. For all other shots (outdoors)
motion blur is not much of a problem.

Watch that extra cup of coffee!

-Eric
 
Wow, this is a find from the way back machine. I think I'm interested in information on a Pentium 2 and/or an AMD K6-2 as well. LOL.
 

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