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All is not well with 30D

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billstien said:
I've been lurking in the 30D forum out of curiosity. This camera
seems to have lots of issues. Still gets "highly reccomended" by
Phil.

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Fortunate my passion for using Pentax and Nikon is independent of what other people think and experience.

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I hav to admit I am suprised they are having so many problems... the 20D was a more less proven camera and its not like they really changed anythinig past some minor tweaks.

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Definitely surprising... the 20D was afterall a very good cam. I also gave it a run and damn the focusing seemed so fast... And the sound it made when focusing, "vvvv vvvv vvvv" just reminded me of a laser shootout haha. Point... click half way, vvvvvv, and clarity. It was a 50mm lens attached to it, so that could have had something to do with it. But real nice... bulky piece of nice engineering though.

Hmm, considering the probs peeps seem to be having with the 30D, you think that they may have replaced a lot of the parts inside the 20D with parts from other suppliers? No idea... Maybe it's "just" an unlucky batch which got released... as it happens with every other camera out there at some point in time... or rather anything else.

I guess time will tell... still a very capable camera from the looks of it:).
 
I am not surprised, I believe the 30D was changed internally to allow for a more cost efficient production, and it seems like the new parts wasn't tested enough... Which is no surprise if we think a moment about Canon's grand track records of firmware updates, patch fixes and other things that they have blessed the digital community with since their first entry into the DSLR world. They can make everything wrong and still be a top seller.
That's a remarkable feat.

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People were equally shocked at quality problems etc. when the 20D came out. A lot of people simply returned their cameras out of frustration, sticking with their 10Ds, which they said were much better. Somehow the success of the 20D doesn't seem to have been affected long term. Deja vu all over again?

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Well, I believe they follow the path known as "We don't have to get it right, we have to get it going". :) (Microsoft did the same with Windows).

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R
 
Proven analog camera with good slide is still no brainer.....dslr are very fragile and subjective to many problems when used in different conditions. Ehhh Nikon FM2 was a nice camera, often horrible trated and still working....really workhorse....Now electronics is everywhere..
 
Its all in the marketing. It started with Andre in the EOS Rebel ads and all the pro sports shooters with Canon across their backs. The typical consumer sees that the camera the big boys use is Canon, so that is what they buy. Even I am guilty to a point. Their name is everywhere, so with every camera purchase, I started by looking at Canon. I always ended up with something else because I would investigate the quality and useability.
 
It's a well-known fact that CMOS sensors, which Canon uses because they cost less and use less power, are "better" in very bright conditions than CCD sensors, but really lack in dark and not very well lit areas. They seem to struggle more in mixed lighting than CCD sensors. Perhaps the problems with the 30D is the in-camera processing somehow magnifies the limitations of the CMOS sensor.
 
Last Canon SLR I owned was a second hand refurbished Canon A1 (new shutter) which I bought in the mid '80s and took over 30,000 slides and negs with before trading to Nikon F601 (first AF cam) in '92 because Canon changed the lens mount. The Nikon gave me several years of reliable service too with no hitches.

The A1 was superbly made, utterly reliable, and gave great results with a standard 50 F1.8 even though the previous owner had taken over 100K shots with it and used it in some pretty hostile places. Every EOS I tried since (apart from the real monsters) was way off on quality by comparison.

One fellow photog is on his 3rd 20D (first two replaced in store with no quibbles after focus issues and sensor misalignment in the first two) but this time hes had zero problems so they do sort them out in time. Learning from this sobering experience he is waiting for 6 months before upgrading to a 5D. Hes still a Canon fanboy though, with around 20K of glass in his "trophy" cabinet;) Still, cant argue with the results he gets...really outstanding. Still, I dont think he'd be at all surprised to here about initial QC issues with 30D batch 1.
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billstien said:
I've been lurking in the 30D forum out of curiosity. This camera
seems to have lots of issues. Still gets "highly reccomended" by
Phil.
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Or alternatively, a handful of people think they have a problem, with various combinations of underexposed pictures, a hacked version of one Raw converter, and a beta version of another. And the rest of the threads are full of chicken littles shouting that the sky is falling in.
 
murraypaul said:
billstien said:
I've been lurking in the 30D forum out of curiosity. This camera
seems to have lots of issues. Still gets "highly reccomended" by
Phil.
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Or alternatively, a handful of people think they have a problem,
with various combinations of underexposed pictures, a hacked
version of one Raw converter, and a beta version of another. And
the rest of the threads are full of chicken littles shouting that
the sky is falling in.
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sounds like a lot of the forums ;-)
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*isteve said:
The A1 was superbly made, utterly reliable, and gave great results
with a standard 50 F1.8 even though the previous owner had taken
over 100K shots with it and used it in some pretty hostile places.
Every EOS I tried since (apart from the real monsters) was way off
on quality by comparison.
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You were lucky. The A-series Canon were the most unreliable cameras of their era. A huge percentage was returned with problems. They were in fact the first cheaply made SLR's series and among the first fully plastic bodies.
 
In order to shorten product cycles, Canon have dropped the prototype testing stage from their products....
 
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