Uncripple Nikon Capture Petition.

Nikon Capture can not browse thumbs on disk. This is an essential feature, and forces many of us to use third-party software. We have paid for this software, and are thus allowed to make requests for improvements. I propose to petiiton Nikon for thumbs, marking for rotation, and some noise reduction filtering to be added to the next version of Capture/NV.

CAN THOSE WHO SUPPORT THIS PLEASE PROVIDE A NAME AND EMAIL OR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS ? I will arrange to send both an english and japanese version of this to Nikon headquarters ... and make sure it gets forwarded in a way that gets their attention. As a journalist I know how to do this.

Edmund.

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Dear Nikon

As users of the Nikon D1/D1H/D1X series of cameras we are very satisfied with the camera hardware. However we would appreciate some minor feature additions to the Nikon View/ Nikon Capture software, namely:

1. Add the possibility of browsing thumbnail views of images stored on the user's hard disk, to choose the image being processed.

2. Add the possibility of marking thumbnails with image orientation (horizontal/vertical) information.

3. Provide a camera-specific noise suppression filter in Capture, and as a Photoshop plugin. This is Nikon's job because Nikon understands the D1/H/X imagers best.

We would gladly pay for a software update with the above features, and remain, Sirs, your loyal customers.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------Look Ma, no film !

Edmund, would you also say the same to Adobe regarding Photoshop? I find this even more obnoxious in a $600 piece of software that is the "arguably" best when it comes to post processing digital images.

In my case I find that Digital Pro, http://www.proshooters.com , does a fabulous job of thumbnails with NEF files as well, although not yet for compressed NEF. With the added benefit of transfer, captioning and categorization. So, while I applaud your attempt here, and do not disagree with asking Nikon for this added feature, I just want to point out that it isn't just Nikon who is lacking in this.

All that having been said, please feel free to use my name on this "feature request", as it is a good one.

Bill Dewey
[email protected]

Thanks for taking the time.

Edmund Ronald said:

Nikon Capture can not browse thumbs on disk. This is an essential
feature, and forces many of us to use third-party software. We have
paid for this software, and are thus allowed to make requests for
improvements. I propose to petiiton Nikon for thumbs, marking for
rotation, and some noise reduction filtering to be added to the
next version of Capture/NV.

CAN THOSE WHO SUPPORT THIS PLEASE PROVIDE A NAME AND EMAIL OR
SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS ? I will arrange to send both an english and
japanese version of this to Nikon headquarters ... and make sure it
gets forwarded in a way that gets their attention. As a journalist
I know how to do this.

Edmund.

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Dear Nikon

As users of the Nikon D1/D1H/D1X series of cameras we are very
satisfied with the camera hardware. However we would appreciate
some minor feature additions to the Nikon View/ Nikon Capture
software, namely:

1. Add the possibility of browsing thumbnail views of images stored
on the user's hard disk, to choose the image being processed.
2. Add the possibility of marking thumbnails with image orientation
(horizontal/vertical) information.
3. Provide a camera-specific noise suppression filter in Capture,
and as a Photoshop plugin. This is Nikon's job because Nikon
understands the D1/H/X imagers best.

We would gladly pay for a software update with the above features,
and remain, Sirs, your loyal customers.

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Look Ma, no film !

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Edmund,

A simple sollution is to use software such as ACDS ver 4 and define a keystroke that will open your selected image into Nikon Capture or Photoshop etc. I use this method on a daily basis and it works very fast. Another simpler method is via the Windows open dialog box, just set this to thumbnail view on the view menu, all the images are then seen as thumbnails.

I am sure that Nikon are aware of photographers needs and probably the next version will incorporate a NEF viewer.

Vincent

Edmund Ronald said:

Nikon Capture can not browse thumbs on disk. This is an essential
feature, and forces many of us to use third-party software. We have
paid for this software, and are thus allowed to make requests for
improvements. I propose to petiiton Nikon for thumbs, marking for
rotation, and some noise reduction filtering to be added to the
next version of Capture/NV.

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Mine does allow thumbnail viewing and opening of disk drives on my Win2k machine.

Are we talking about the same thing? I click open, select a folder or drive and then click view thumbnails – and there they are – this is a function of Windows Explorer, which is fully supported on my copy of Nikon Capture as it is with PhotoShop from ver 4 on.

Edmund Ronald said:

Nikon Capture can not browse thumbs on disk. This is an essential
feature, and forces many of us to use third-party software. We have
paid for this software, and are thus allowed to make requests for
improvements.

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Thank you for the support, Bill.

Photoshop is the Tyrannosaurus Rex in our little software world, it reigns by sheer power, but is getting a bit old in concept. In my view, PS is actually software for pre-press CMYK image preparation, and using it for photo tasks is almost a perversion of its original purpose. The thing which saves PS is its comprehensiveness, the remarkable quality of the algorithms, and the feeling that in their blundering way Adobe actually care about their users, unlike the slightly larger software company based in Redmond. I guess Adobe may make a real "Photo" application sooner or later, when they figure out the market exists, a bit like they did with ImageReady for the web image crowd.

As for Digital Pro, I do not use because I have a Mac. I think Canto would do what I want, but I would prefer the basic functionality to be there in Capture: Although the third party apps should and will become our main tools, we should still require the minimum useful workflow of Nikon. Eric has got the thumbnail issue right in Bibble, but this is not a reason for letting Nikon off the hook.

Bill Dewey said:

Edmund, would you also say the same to Adobe regarding Photoshop?
I find this even more obnoxious in a $600 piece of software that is
the "arguably" best when it comes to post processing digital images.

In my case I find that Digital Pro, http://www.proshooters.com , does a
fabulous job of thumbnails with NEF files as well, although not yet
for compressed NEF. With the added benefit of transfer, captioning
and categorization. So, while I applaud your attempt here, and do
not disagree with asking Nikon for this added feature, I just want
to point out that it isn't just Nikon who is lacking in this.

All that having been said, please feel free to use my name on this
"feature request", as it is a good one.

Bill Dewey
[email protected]

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Dear Vincent,

Many of us on this forum have been using third party software for thumbs and filtering. The issue which I raise is that AS PAYING CUSTOMERS some of us feel we really want this functionality in Capture.

Although Nikon may be "aware" of many desired features, it may be time to educate them about priorities.Some of us would like thumbs, rotation, and a decent noise filter SOON.

Thank you for your point of information.

Vincent said:

A simple sollution is to use software such as ACDS ver 4 and define
a keystroke that will open your selected image into Nikon Capture
or Photoshop etc. I use this method on a daily basis and it works
very fast. Another simpler method is via the Windows open dialog
box, just set this to thumbnail view on the view menu, all the
images are then seen as thumbnails.

I am sure that Nikon are aware of photographers needs and probably
the next version will incorporate a NEF viewer.

Vincent

Edmund Ronald said:

Nikon Capture can not browse thumbs on disk. This is an essential
feature, and forces many of us to use third-party software. We have
paid for this software, and are thus allowed to make requests for
improvements. I propose to petiiton Nikon for thumbs, marking for
rotation, and some noise reduction filtering to be added to the
next version of Capture/NV.

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Cannot say, I use a Mac for everything. I think most of us would want exactly the functionality which you get with NV/Capture when connected to the camera, to work when browsing off disk. .... Rotation and a noise reduction filter would be a plus.

Edmund

Ger Bee said:

Mine does allow thumbnail viewing and opening of disk drives on my
Win2k machine.

Are we talking about the same thing? I click open, select a folder
or drive and then click view thumbnails – and there they are – this
is a function of Windows Explorer, which is fully supported on my
copy of Nikon Capture as it is with PhotoShop from ver 4 on.

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Edmund Ronald said:

Thank you for the support, Bill.

Photoshop is the Tyrannosaurus Rex in our little software world, it
reigns by sheer power, but is getting a bit old in concept.

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You must be doing some fantastic images to make such a sweeping statement. Photoshop 6.0 is by no means a Dinosaur application.

Edmund Ronald said:

In my view, PS is actually software for pre-press CMYK image preparation,
and using it for photo tasks is almost a perversion of its original
purpose.

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Photoshop, by it's title means an application for manipulating photographs.

Edmund Ronald said:

The thing which saves PS is its comprehensiveness, the
remarkable quality of the algorithms, and the feeling that in their
blundering way Adobe

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What blunderings are you refering to.
actually care about their users, unlike the

Edmund Ronald said:

slightly larger software company based in Redmond. I guess Adobe
may make a real "Photo" application sooner or later, when they
figure out the market exists,

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Try Photoshop, it should satisfy even the most demanding of creative users, unless you don't fall into this category. Then perhaps you could carry on making unfounded statements about Adobe and other companies based in Redwood - did you say you were a Mac User ? say no more.

Vincent :-O

Vincent said:

Try Photoshop, it should satisfy even the most demanding of
creative users, unless you don't fall into this category. Then
perhaps you could carry on making unfounded statements about Adobe
and other companies based in Redwood -

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Member said:

did you say you were a Mac
User ? say no more.

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Vincent...

You are right about Photoshop. There's damned little you cannot do with it. I use it every day...on a Mac. I've been using it since 1993...On a Mac. I've got image composites done in 1994 hanging on my wall that my PC buddies couldn't have begun to do until years later. It you hadn't noticed, most of the latest data shows that 70+% of photography studios use Mac as their main platform.

Think about this... The reason that Photoshop is what it is today is because back in the early 90's it had the MacOS on which it could develop. Microsoft, always two steps behind Apple in software development finally provided the PC world with Windows 95, which was finally a more suitable environment for Photoshop. And yet, there are still some nuances in Photoshop/Mac that the PC does not yet have.

And the one thing that we must recognize is that Adobe's status in the software world is clearly due to the Mac (starting with ATM in 1987). Whether you're on a Mac or a PC, you probably wouldn't be in digital imaging today had there not been a Mac, or us Mac using photographers.

Respectfully,
Stanton

Boy, this thread has gotten rather "off topic" I think. Not that I disagree in whole with the comments, but what Edmund suggested is not a bad idea, getting a group of folks to request the addition of features to an already very good product. I can tell you, as I do work for a large software company, that we pay much more attention to requests that come from multiple customers than from just one.

As to my comment regarding Photoshop, it doesn't do native thumbnails either, which surprised me when I "moved up" from using Paint Shop Pro, which does them well.

Yes, Ger, you can use Windows functionality to view the thumbnails, but this still doesn't negate the reasonableness of a new feature request.

Edmund, as to the use of Digital Pro on a Mac, I believe that Mac support is "on the list" for this program. Until then you could use the "virtual PC", is that what it's called?, emulation on the Mac. One of the reasons that I like this program is that it is developed by two professional D1 serires shooters who have a vested interest in keeping up with the times. And, the fact that it combines features of Cumulus as well, has enabled me to eliminate using Cumulus as well, another step out of my workflow.

Vincent and Stanton, I am currently taking a Photshop/Digital Darkroom class from Photobition here in Seattle. Half the room is Mac, the right side is PC . Now, I admit, I do sit on the right side of the room but we all really do get along. Our instructor told us that if you attend one of the comferences that Adobe is at you can often find developers there. He was speaking with one about something that he thought would be a worthwhile addition, the developer said something like "Hmmm, neat idea", and it showed up in the next version. Yes, Adobe does listen, but I'm still puzzled why they don't have a native "thumbnail browse" either. By the way, neither did the instructor when I asked him last Tuesday.

And lastly, Edmund, wouldn't this thread be more appropriate in the Nikon SLR forum?

Edmund Ronald said:

Nikon Capture can not browse thumbs on disk. This is an essential
feature, and forces many of us to use third-party software. We have
paid for this software, and are thus allowed to make requests for
improvements. I propose to petiiton Nikon for thumbs, marking for
rotation, and some noise reduction filtering to be added to the
next version of Capture/NV.

CAN THOSE WHO SUPPORT THIS PLEASE PROVIDE A NAME AND EMAIL OR
SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS ? I will arrange to send both an english and
japanese version of this to Nikon headquarters ... and make sure it
gets forwarded in a way that gets their attention. As a journalist
I know how to do this.

Edmund.

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Dear Nikon

As users of the Nikon D1/D1H/D1X series of cameras we are very
satisfied with the camera hardware. However we would appreciate
some minor feature additions to the Nikon View/ Nikon Capture
software, namely:

1. Add the possibility of browsing thumbnail views of images stored
on the user's hard disk, to choose the image being processed.
2. Add the possibility of marking thumbnails with image orientation
(horizontal/vertical) information.
3. Provide a camera-specific noise suppression filter in Capture,
and as a Photoshop plugin. This is Nikon's job because Nikon
understands the D1/H/X imagers best.

We would gladly pay for a software update with the above features,
and remain, Sirs, your loyal customers.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Look Ma, no film !

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Hello Edmund,

That's my biggest complaint with Capture, I arrive at the studio with several CDs burnt in the field and what a headache to quickly view them as thumbnails, mainly for quick editing.

Can't understand why Nikon's programmers didn't see that ovbious deficiency. I ran across it my first time using Capture and could not believe it to be honest with you.

You can use my name on your petition as well!

Stephen

http://www.livick.com

Stanton said:

Vincent said:

Try Photoshop, it should satisfy even the most demanding of
creative users, unless you don't fall into this category. Then
perhaps you could carry on making unfounded statements about Adobe
and other companies based in Redwood -

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stanton said:

did you say you were a Mac
User ? say no more.

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Vincent...
You are right about Photoshop. There's damned little you cannot do
with it. I use it every day...on a Mac. I've been using it since
1993...On a Mac. I've got image composites done in 1994 hanging on
my wall that my PC buddies couldn't have begun to do until years
later. It you hadn't noticed, most of the latest data shows that
70+% of photography studios use Mac as their main platform.

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The fact that 70% of studios still use a Mac doesn't mean very much, most of these guys will have grown up with a Mac and probably don't need a new learning curve for a new OS, although OS 10 should give a few headaches.

stanton said:

Think about this... The reason that Photoshop is what it is today
is because back in the early 90's it had the MacOS on which it
could develop.

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Just think, without the large user base of Windows we may not have Photoshop today.

stanton said:

Microsoft, always two steps behind Apple in software
development finally provided the PC world with Windows 95, which
was finally a more suitable environment for Photoshop. And yet,
there are still some nuances in Photoshop/Mac that the PC does not
yet have.

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I am still looking for those nuances...

stanton said:

And the one thing that we must recognize is that Adobe's status in
the software world is clearly due to the Mac (starting with ATM in
1987). Whether you're on a Mac or a PC, you probably wouldn't be in
digital imaging today had there not been a Mac, or us Mac using
photographers.

Respectfully,
Stanton

Stanton, don't missread my coments, I have and use two Macs and also have three Windows machines (running Win 98, ME and XP). The operating system and computers are irrelevant - what matters is the software applications that the grey boxes will run. Photoshop on a Windows machine runs as effciently as on a Mac.

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The one thing that I have noticed over the years is that Mac users will fight to the bare bone to stand up for their machines, read some of the readers letters in Mac User or Macworld or should they re-name these titles to Lets Knock Windows.

Regards and also Respectfully

Vincent Oliver
(professional photographer and journalist for several digital imaging magazines)

Edmund,

From day one, I have been upset with Nikon over the lack of thumbnails in Capture 2.0. Where were their heads? I had a smoothe workflow with Capture 1.1, and now.... well, my workflow is a total pain because of Nikon. Guess what, I've had a D1x for 4 months now and have used it for only 2% of my shots, still using the D1 for the other 98%. ONLY reason is due to the lack of thumbnails in Capture 2.0. Nikon has royally screwed me up.

Please add my name to your list. And I sure hope Nikon listens. If they don't, I just may become a Kodak or Canon customer instead. Since I don't have 50 hour workdays, they will leave me no choice.

Adam Schmidt
Eaton Photography
NPS member by the way

Vincent said:

Member said:

Vincent...
You are right about Photoshop. There's damned little you cannot do
with it. I use it every day...on a Mac. I've been using it since
1993...On a Mac. I've got image composites done in 1994 hanging on
my wall that my PC buddies couldn't have begun to do until years
later. It you hadn't noticed, most of the latest data shows that
70+% of photography studios use Mac as their main platform.

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The fact that 70% of studios still use a Mac doesn't mean very
much, most of these guys will have grown up with a Mac and probably
don't need a new learning curve for a new OS, although OS 10 should
give a few headaches.

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I'm not sure what your point is here, though it is a pain to learn a new OS, particularly a Windows OS. I know. I've done it. Yes, OSX will have its growth curve simply because the code is a total departure from the original PPC coding. Of all the Mac operating systems, including the move from System 7 to 8, OSX provide the least (any?) links to legacy applications which are handled through the "Classic" environment.

Member said:

Member said:

Think about this... The reason that Photoshop is what it is today
is because back in the early 90's it had the MacOS on which it
could develop.

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Just think, without the large user base of Windows we may not have
Photoshop today.

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That's wishful thinking, but is absolutely counter to the facts. Photoshop was a viable and lucrative product even when it wasn't available for Windows.

Member said:

Member said:

Microsoft, always two steps behind Apple in software
development finally provided the PC world with Windows 95, which
was finally a more suitable environment for Photoshop. And yet,
there are still some nuances in Photoshop/Mac that the PC does not
yet have.

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I am still looking for those nuances...

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Ok... Open a file in Photoshop(Win). Close the file and open the next file in sequence through the open dialog box. You've got to scroll through the box to locate the file. Do the same thing on a Mac. To go to the next sequential file you only have to hit the down arrow key and it takes you right to. So, Command-O> Down Arrow> Enter will open the next file right with Photoshop. Additionally, in that Open dialog box, there is also a Find command. Other system nuances is that the Mac doesn't require a file extension to know what it is, and if it gets confused bring up a dialog box for you select which application should be used to open it.

Member said:

Member said:

And the one thing that we must recognize is that Adobe's status in
the software world is clearly due to the Mac (starting with ATM in
1987). Whether you're on a Mac or a PC, you probably wouldn't be in
digital imaging today had there not been a Mac, or us Mac using
photographers.

Respectfully,
Stanton

Stanton, don't missread my coments, I have and use two Macs and also have three Windows machines (running Win 98, ME and XP). The operating system and computers are irrelevant - what matters is the software applications that the grey boxes will run. Photoshop on a Windows machine runs as effciently as on a Mac.

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I never said that today's Windows couldn't or wouldn't do the job. Just this morning I used my PC to process 400 images that I shot yesterday while doing other things on my Macs. What I did say was the Microsoft was late in the game in providing an OS that could have handled Photoshop and it was us Mac guys that helped massage Photoshop into the amazing program it is today...and ported to both platforms. That's just a fact.

Member said:

The one thing that I have noticed over the years is that Mac users
will fight to the bare bone to stand up for their machines, read
some of the readers letters in Mac User or Macworld or should they
re-name these titles to Lets Knock Windows.

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My beef isn't with with Windows, per se. One can get used to just about any OS. Heck, how many people got used to DOS (and how many still prefer it?). I do have a problem with the way Microsoft has gone about knocking off the competition in promoting its near monopoly on the computing world. You cannot deny that Windows would not be nearly the OS that it is were it not for Apple. However, IMO Mac is still a much more elegant system and easier to train new computer users on, easier to troubleshoot and MUCH easier to fix when there are the inevitable problems.

Member said:

Regards and also Respectfully

Vincent Oliver
(professional photographer and journalist for several digital
imaging magazines)

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Sincerely,
Stanton Kramer

(professional photographer and consultant to professional and amateur digital photographers)

Stanton,

Sorry, I have unintentionally fallen into the trap of Mac v Windows. Of course what you say is right, I have no doubt you have far more knowledge that I have on these matters and I don't really want to go any further down this road.

Enjoy your computer and your photography.

Kind regards

Vincent Oliver

I am at a loss as to why there is this much fuss. Sure a thumbnail addition is better than not having one. But why are you not using nikon view, which is a thumbnail program and does allow pretty seamless integration with Nikon Capture. And with Cumulus, where you also have thumbnails, you have a very complete setup.

Adam Schmidt said:

Edmund,

From day one, I have been upset with Nikon over the lack of
thumbnails in Capture 2.0. Where were their heads? I had a
smoothe workflow with Capture 1.1, and now.... well, my workflow is
a total pain because of Nikon. Guess what, I've had a D1x for 4
months now and have used it for only 2% of my shots, still using
the D1 for the other 98%. ONLY reason is due to the lack of
thumbnails in Capture 2.0. Nikon has royally screwed me up.

Please add my name to your list. And I sure hope Nikon listens.
If they don't, I just may become a Kodak or Canon customer instead.
Since I don't have 50 hour workdays, they will leave me no choice.

Adam Schmidt
Eaton Photography
NPS member by the way

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Vincent said:

Stanton,

Sorry, I have unintentionally fallen into the trap of Mac v
Windows. Of course what you say is right, I have no doubt you have
far more knowledge that I have on these matters and I don't really
want to go any further down this road.

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Nor was it my intention either. You really can't discount either platform. There is plenty to like on both. My whole point was that whether or not we choose Mac or PC, the entire digital communiity has to give credit to Apple for paving the way for all of us.

Member said:

Enjoy your computer and your photography.

Kind regards

Vincent Oliver

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Same here,
Stanton

Hello Mortimer,

So if you can please describe how we can see the thumbnails when our images are Nefs and burnt onto a CD, that's what I think we are really griping about.

We also use Nikon view 4 when coming from media cards just like you do but need a way ( preferably a Nikon solution) to see them coming from CDs.

Stephen

Mortimer Freiheit said:

I am at a loss as to why there is this much fuss. Sure a thumbnail
addition is better than not having one. But why are you not using
nikon view, which is a thumbnail program and does allow pretty
seamless integration with Nikon Capture. And with Cumulus, where
you also have thumbnails, you have a very complete setup.

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Hello Mortimer -

NV and Capture have thumbs functionality, but it does not work for browsing ON DISK. This is why many of us refer to it as crippled. We would simply like the complete functionality enabled.

As to why some of us feel strongly about this issue, well partly because running too many big apps on the same machine is a recipe for disaster, and those of us with a Capture/Photoshop setup have most of their RAM taken already. Your remark about Cumulus is quite correct.

Edmund

Mortimer Freiheit said:

I am at a loss as to why there is this much fuss. Sure a thumbnail
addition is better than not having one. But why are you not using
nikon view, which is a thumbnail program and does allow pretty
seamless integration with Nikon Capture. And with Cumulus, where
you also have thumbnails, you have a very complete setup.

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I thought those of us who spend more than 40 hours per week with the software would be most sensitive to the workflow issues and have the strongest wish for integration. Your remark is however founded, but for now let's run with this here, if we may.

By the way, I intended no disrespect to Photoshop, which is certainly the most powerful all-round image processing software available. It's just that sometimes you wish for an image-capture specific tool, and Adobe has not yet got around to marketing it. (Such a tool could for instance look at a Macbeth chart pic and create a camera profile, do camera noise filtering,

create low-high exposure layers automagically, faciltate stitching, accept lens profiles to correct aberrations, change perspectives etc.) So to do the above we need to use a hodgepodge of other tools ....

Edmund

Bill Dewey said:

And lastly, Edmund, wouldn't this thread be more appropriate in the
Nikon SLR forum?

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