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I see, but i don't use color correction as i find the color of the C700 well balance and well saturated. Also it is possible to use the tiff format if needed a better quality. The SHQ mode i very good though....i printed some of my images on 8 x 10 and i don't see any jpg noise. I only see that when i use Photoshop to compress my image in medium qualtiy to post them on the internet.

I also did a little test, i took an image with tiff mode and with SHQ mode and i could not see any difference, so i figure i will still be using the SHQ because i can store a lot of images on the 128mg card.

I had a C2100 for some time but i could not bare to carry it around for any lenght of time, that's why i got the C700. Now i take the camera bag, put it around my neck and go do some hiking all day long.

The thing what i miss the most about the C2100 is the lamp assisted focus, as now if i want to take some macro shot of insect at night, i need to carry a small flash light to make focus and this is a bummer, i hate to carry stuff around.
Leo said:
Daniella3d said:
Because the size of the ccd for the 2100 is 1/2 and the size of the
C700 is 1/2.7 almots at big as the E20 which is 1/3....and the E10
is a 4mp.

dunno where you got that but it seam to me that the C700 has a
bigger CCD. The best way to judge these 2 cameras is to look at
samples! that's where no matter what people say...you will get
the true picture :)
Leo said:
A 2100 has some other advantage that is not mentioned in the above
responds to your question.
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Leo said:
  1. )The 2100 CCD is bigger it translates to a bigger pixel (the
number of pixels the same). The bigger pixel size assumes the
following advantages: cleaner colors, less noise, more charge per
pixel. The 2100 pixel area is 246% of the 700 pixel. It is very
significant.
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I do not agree with you in general. It is true, you would not need that much of IS for a very fast shutter speeds like 1/200 an shorter. Try to use X10 at 1/30 or 1/50 then you are entering the land of chances. I did run the test shooting the text from 20 feet at X10 zoom, Up to speed 1/50 the IS absence was a complete disaster while almost all images were sharp when the IS was turned ON. Try it at shutter speed 1/50 or 1/30. The IS makes a big difference. It is true what you are saying, as the following is very true. I will print a very good and images 640X480 up to 3"x5' especially when the subject takes the most of the printed area. But change the printing size to 8X10 and 640X480 will be translated to a very pixelized image. Very similar, I think, just go lower the shutter speed and the IS is MUST. I do turn it OFF on a sunny day for outside photography.
However, the most important that we enjoy the X10 zoom.
Leo
Daniella3d said:
I rarely come up with blurred picture and i use the full zoom
handhelded all the time. I can say that i don't need the IS and i
prefer the small size and features of the C700. I don't understand
why so many people think the IS is so important...it may make a
difference on a big and hard to handle camera as the C2100, but
with the small and fast C700, its not even needed.
Juli Valley said:
Chris Longley said:
It's a great camera, the pictures are great, the features are
great. It's nowhere near as bulky as the other 10x Optical Zoom
cameras, however some of those feature "image stabilisation".

I think too much is made of the benefits of image stabilisation.
If you're a serious enthusiast you may well be using a tripod or
monopod anyway.

Not only that, but you can set a high shutter speed to combat any
shaky hands.

Go for it. :)
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With a 2100, your rarely need a tripod.
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I wish my hands were that steady. I have a C700 and below 1/50 of a sec I almost always get at least a slight blur if it is not on a tripod or something else. I would really like to have IS on a C700 sized camera.
Daniella3d said:
I rarely come up with blurred picture and i use the full zoom
handhelded all the time. I can say that i don't need the IS and i
prefer the small size and features of the C700. I don't understand
why so many people think the IS is so important...it may make a
difference on a big and hard to handle camera as the C2100, but
with the small and fast C700, its not even needed.
Juli Valley said:
Chris Longley said:
It's a great camera, the pictures are great, the features are
great. It's nowhere near as bulky as the other 10x Optical Zoom
cameras, however some of those feature "image stabilisation".

I think too much is made of the benefits of image stabilisation.
If you're a serious enthusiast you may well be using a tripod or
monopod anyway.

Not only that, but you can set a high shutter speed to combat any
shaky hands.

Go for it. :)
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With a 2100, your rarely need a tripod.
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I have copied my old post (posted on(10:33:28 PM, Saturday, November 17, 2001) with tests I have preformed to learn more about IS zoom.

I have extended the test (see original message below) for the next two shutter speeds - 1/50 and 1/100. The number of shots for each test is 35. As you can see At 1/100 and IS ON the chance for a sharp image increased to 89% and with IS off the chance for a sharp image increased only to 51%. It does not mean that two guarantee one sharp and one fuzzy. It means that from 10 shots approximately five will be sharp. I was thinking to add $100 and get smaller 700 with a better firmware. I would like to have a smaller size camera because I usually take the camera for club rides.

After the test 2100 stays. I will continue the test to find the shutter speed for 90% chance of a sharp image with the IS function OFF.

Leo

Conditions:
Distance = 20 feet
Zoom = X10

1/20 IS ON IS OFF
Sharp 30 10
Total 75 75
Percent 40% 13%

1/50 IS ON IS OFF
Total 35 35
Percent 46% 23%

1/100 IS ON IS OFF
Sharp 31 18
Total 35 35
Percent 89% 51%
Leo said:
Daniella3d said:
I rarely come up with blurred picture and i use the full zoom
handhelded all the time. I can say that i don't need the IS and i
prefer the small size and features of the C700. I don't understand
why so many people think the IS is so important...it may make a
difference on a big and hard to handle camera as the C2100, but
with the small and fast C700, its not even needed.
Juli Valley said:
Chris Longley said:
It's a great camera, the pictures are great, the features are
great. It's nowhere near as bulky as the other 10x Optical Zoom
cameras, however some of those feature "image stabilisation".

I think too much is made of the benefits of image stabilisation.
If you're a serious enthusiast you may well be using a tripod or
monopod anyway.

Not only that, but you can set a high shutter speed to combat any
shaky hands.

Go for it. :)
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With a 2100, your rarely need a tripod.
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Brian said:
The C2100 is considerably larger than the C700, but it has image
stabilization which can help you get a sharper image when you are
at full zoom.

The only reason I point this out is that there are several people
on this forum who have returned their C700 in favor of the C2100.
I personally like my C700 and find it easier to use than my friends
C2100. Look through this forum and find the likes and dislikes of
each.
MacGary said:
I am interested in purchasing a digital camera and have favored the
C700 digital camera from Olympus. I have not been able to
physically see one of the cameras or get any live reviews and was
wondering what people who own the camera think of it. This will be
my first purchase of a "real" camera for my personal use so I would
like to make it an educated purchase. Thank you in advance.
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I thought Olympus was discontinuing this camera, would purchasing the E-100RS give you the same features with more options?
 
All cameras eventually get discontinued. So far there has been no concrete statement from Olympus saying that it has been canceled.

The E-100RS is a different animal than the C2100 or C700 for that matter. It has the same lens and IS as the C2100, but that is where the similarities stop. Both are great cameras, but really serve different purposes. And I myself will not get tangled up in the argument as to which is better. The best thing to do is to look at their feature sets and view some online samples of each and see which one suites you.
turtle said:
I thought Olympus was discontinuing this camera, would purchasing
the E-100RS give you the same features with more options?
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Hello,

I did the same test and up to 1/8 second it was hard to see the difference. at 1/30 it was fine. You tried this test with the C2100 and yes this camera is big and hard to control without the IS, but i tried it with the C700.

take a look at my tests:

http://www.homepet.com/3d/testc700.html

I was about 20 feet away at full zoom in low light in my apartment and this is a calender on the wall. I treid some shot without tripod and one shot with it to compare. These are 100% crop of the original images, no processing done.
Leo said:
Daniella3d said:
I rarely come up with blurred picture and i use the full zoom
handhelded all the time. I can say that i don't need the IS and i
prefer the small size and features of the C700. I don't understand
why so many people think the IS is so important...it may make a
difference on a big and hard to handle camera as the C2100, but
with the small and fast C700, its not even needed.
Juli Valley said:
Chris Longley said:
It's a great camera, the pictures are great, the features are
great. It's nowhere near as bulky as the other 10x Optical Zoom
cameras, however some of those feature "image stabilisation".

I think too much is made of the benefits of image stabilisation.
If you're a serious enthusiast you may well be using a tripod or
monopod anyway.

Not only that, but you can set a high shutter speed to combat any
shaky hands.

Go for it. :)
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With a 2100, your rarely need a tripod.
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Daniel,

That means you can hold it much steadier than I and may be qualified for a 700. I made many photographs in the stores Good Guys and CompUSA. The results were the same. I did not quantify them but it was very easy to recognize shaken images. It did look as camera vibrates in my hands. You may try sharp shooting as a sport. Some people can do it and others can not. However, I am not alone. Many people from this forum pick the 2100 just for this reason. The other reason is a bigger pixel size with all its benefits applied to the image. I bought my 2100 ten days ago. Believe me, several times I had very strong desire to go to CompUSA and exchange my 2100 for 700 but every time the positives of the 2100 were winning over its negatives (size and weight). From my test experience (I have tried three different 700 and the same number of 2100) the image quality produced by 2100 looked better.
Thank you for the very good test sample
Leo
PS it will be interesting to know how other 2100 owners feel about IS.
Daniella3d said:
I did the same test and up to 1/8 second it was hard to see the
difference. at 1/30 it was fine. You tried this test with the
C2100 and yes this camera is big and hard to control without the
IS, but i tried it with the C700.

take a look at my tests:

http://www.homepet.com/3d/testc700.html

I was about 20 feet away at full zoom in low light in my apartment
and this is a calender on the wall. I treid some shot without
tripod and one shot with it to compare. These are 100% crop of the
original images, no processing done.
Leo said:
Daniella3d said:
I rarely come up with blurred picture and i use the full zoom
handhelded all the time. I can say that i don't need the IS and i
prefer the small size and features of the C700. I don't understand
why so many people think the IS is so important...it may make a
difference on a big and hard to handle camera as the C2100, but
with the small and fast C700, its not even needed.
Juli Valley said:
Chris Longley said:
It's a great camera, the pictures are great, the features are
great. It's nowhere near as bulky as the other 10x Optical Zoom
cameras, however some of those feature "image stabilisation".

I think too much is made of the benefits of image stabilisation.
If you're a serious enthusiast you may well be using a tripod or
monopod anyway.

Not only that, but you can set a high shutter speed to combat any
shaky hands.

Go for it. :)
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With a 2100, your rarely need a tripod.
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Hello,

dunno if you bought a C700 or not but i tried the one toutch white balance tonight and wow..what a difference! The C700 is very powerfull on night shot with this feature. You can check my samples with Auto WB, all the presets that did not worked and finally, the masterpiece of control for white balance :)

http://www3.pbase.com/c700/night&page=1

the 3 last pictures on that pages show the result with different white balance mode. I don't think the C2100 has this feature, but i cannot check since i don't have it anymore.

Daniella
MacGary said:
I am interested in purchasing a digital camera and have favored the
C700 digital camera from Olympus. I have not been able to
physically see one of the cameras or get any live reviews and was
wondering what people who own the camera think of it. This will be
my first purchase of a "real" camera for my personal use so I would
like to make it an educated purchase. Thank you in advance.
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That is one of the features many C-2100 owners really would like is the one touch white balance. To bad they can't seem to marry the benefits of each together.
Daniella3d said:
dunno if you bought a C700 or not but i tried the one toutch white
balance tonight and wow..what a difference! The C700 is very
powerfull on night shot with this feature. You can check my
samples with Auto WB, all the presets that did not worked and
finally, the masterpiece of control for white balance :)

http://www3.pbase.com/c700/night&page=1

the 3 last pictures on that pages show the result with different
white balance mode. I don't think the C2100 has this feature, but
i cannot check since i don't have it anymore.

Daniella
MacGary said:
I am interested in purchasing a digital camera and have favored the
C700 digital camera from Olympus. I have not been able to
physically see one of the cameras or get any live reviews and was
wondering what people who own the camera think of it. This will be
my first purchase of a "real" camera for my personal use so I would
like to make it an educated purchase. Thank you in advance.
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Daniella,
Now I will login to your pbase to check your new photos.
Leo
Daniella3d said:
dunno if you bought a C700 or not but i tried the one toutch white
balance tonight and wow..what a difference! The C700 is very
powerfull on night shot with this feature. You can check my
samples with Auto WB, all the presets that did not worked and
finally, the masterpiece of control for white balance :)

http://www3.pbase.com/c700/night&page=1

the 3 last pictures on that pages show the result with different
white balance mode. I don't think the C2100 has this feature, but
i cannot check since i don't have it anymore.

Daniella
MacGary said:
I am interested in purchasing a digital camera and have favored the
C700 digital camera from Olympus. I have not been able to
physically see one of the cameras or get any live reviews and was
wondering what people who own the camera think of it. This will be
my first purchase of a "real" camera for my personal use so I would
like to make it an educated purchase. Thank you in advance.
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There is a typo in my posted message.. It should be 1/20s instead of 1/200s. I have run the test up to 1/100s. which was the highest shutter speed for the test. You can find the IS ON/OFF results in my one hour old post in this thread. I am very sorry for the typo mentioned above typo. Consider this message as ECN (Engineering Change Note) ;-).
  1. ) the mentioned above the Image Stabilization. It allows doubling the chance of a sharp image at shutter speeds below 1/200s and X10 zoom. For example with 2100 you would get 90 sharp images out of 100 and for 700 it would drop to 45 and the rest should go to garbage can.
Leo said:
  1. )The 2100 CCD is bigger it translates to a bigger pixel (the
number of pixels the same). The bigger pixel size assumes the
following advantages: cleaner colors, less noise, more charge per
pixel. The 2100 pixel area is 246% of the 700 pixel. It is very
significant.
  1. ) the mentioned above the Image Stabilization. It allows doubling
the chance of a sharp image at shutter speeds below 1/200s and X10
zoom. For example with 2100 you would get 90 sharp images out of
100 and for 700 it would drop to 45 and the rest should go to
garbage can.
  1. ) I also like that fact that the lens is a one piece (not
retracting type). I has 49mm thread and allows direct installation
of UV filter, polarized filter, X2 teleconverter, X0.5 wide
converter, macro attachment.

Size is a controversial parameter. It is nice to have a smaller
camera but it is more comfortable to hold and use 2100 I am a
bicyclist and this parameter was a critical. However, after making
many comparison photographs in a local CompUSA with both cameras I
have selected 2100. It took another week to overcome the desire to
exchange my 2100 for 700.

In the future I may consider an improved version of 700 like as a
second camera.
The CompUSA really makes it sweet - a camera bag + 32M memory and
included by Olympus a set of rechargeable batteries with a charger
is a very nice gesture.

In general either camera is a good buy. You may, for example,
consider an improved version of 2100 in the future as a second
camera. -).
Leo
MacGary said:
I am interested in purchasing a digital camera and have favored the
C700 digital camera from Olympus. I have not been able to
physically see one of the cameras or get any live reviews and was
wondering what people who own the camera think of it. This will be
my first purchase of a "real" camera for my personal use so I would
like to make it an educated purchase. Thank you in advance.
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