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Hey Spike...you sure can..plus pictures...although it won't be hardly anything like Phil's review. hehe.. But I'll do my best...Between Mark and myself we should be able to answer most of you questions...but remember I don't know about Mark but I am strickly an amatuer...so don't expect too much!!! ^

Carmen
Spike said:
So if you get it on tuesday, can we expect a length review by
thursday? spike
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Carmen said:
Hey Spike...you sure can..plus pictures...although it won't be
hardly anything like Phil's review. hehe.. But I'll do my
best...Between Mark and myself we should be able to answer most of
you questions...but remember I don't know about Mark but I am
strickly an amatuer...so don't expect too much!!! ^

Carmen
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I'm an amateur also. My main reason for getting the 5000 is that we do boxer rescue and I need a camera that I can get some good pix of the rescues for the web site. My hope is that the 5000 will be fast enough to capture the dogs and the best part is not having to take film in. I also do design work and like to take example shots for presentation work. If the 5000 is what Nikon is clamming it show be a great camera for me. I was looking at the 995 that one of our adopted families had and was impressed with what I saw. Not to date my self but I still have my Nikon that I got 18 years ago, still works like the day that I got it
 
Yes I saw this...this is what makes the whole thing so peculiar.. as I saiid before I felt that Phil didn't have the unit...call it woman's intutition or I've just been here to long and have a sense as to how things work....but that doesn't explain why Dell is calling people verifying addresses and confirming shipping dates...my rep also told me that I would get it next week as well..and she volunteered all of this information I didn't really care..I was just pleased that I could get a good price and that I would eventually get it!

If Dell is playing games as some of you have suggested.. it's a doozy!!! Maybe they don't have anything better to do....:)

So tomorrow is the day and we'll all see...I will call them in the afternoon and see what they say.

Carmen
JohnM said:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&page=1&message=1778310
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Certainly if a company was releasing a bad product, they would not wish to have bad press which would hurt sales. That makes complete sense.

However, what the skeptics are missing here is that X-MAS shopping season is here. Since the company has already placed advertising and pre-marketed the 5000, there is undoubtedly great demand for this product. As prior posts mentioned, a distributor had an allocation of 1500 or so already sold. Retailers have been promised this product for their X-MAS product mix. So with high demand and XMAS here, I'm sure Nikon is rushing the 5000 to the market at the very last minute. One can speculate if Nikon released the product to early with known problems. However, we will not know that untill someone with knowledge has this camera in his or her hands.

Having been involved in product management, I wouldn't be surpisrised if Nikon has restricted their dealers from shipping product until all dealers are stocked. You wouldn't believe the heat a manufacturer gets from it's distribution channel when one dealer gets product and another doesn't. While Nikon may have prioritized their dealer allocations in the past according to dealer annual sales volume, they may have learned their lesson and changed their ways.

So with all available production units going to retailers, there may just not be any spare units for reviews. Sounds like the dealer channel has them all spoken for, for now.
 
Thanks John for that explanation...makes sense to me and sheds new light on what may or may not be going on.

Carmen
John Pinches said:
Certainly if a company was releasing a bad product, they would not
wish to have bad press which would hurt sales. That makes complete
sense.

However, what the skeptics are missing here is that X-MAS shopping
season is here. Since the company has already placed advertising
and pre-marketed the 5000, there is undoubtedly great demand for
this product. As prior posts mentioned, a distributor had an
allocation of 1500 or so already sold. Retailers have been
promised this product for their X-MAS product mix. So with high
demand and XMAS here, I'm sure Nikon is rushing the 5000 to the
market at the very last minute. One can speculate if Nikon
released the product to early with known problems. However, we will
not know that untill someone with knowledge has this camera in his
or her hands.

Having been involved in product management, I wouldn't be
surpisrised if Nikon has restricted their dealers from shipping
product until all dealers are stocked. You wouldn't believe the
heat a manufacturer gets from it's distribution channel when one
dealer gets product and another doesn't. While Nikon may have
prioritized their dealer allocations in the past according to
dealer annual sales volume, they may have learned their lesson and
changed their ways.

So with all available production units going to retailers, there
may just not be any spare units for reviews. Sounds like the
dealer channel has them all spoken for, for now.
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I haven't seen this much excitement on the Nikon forum since the 990 was introduced. Where do I place my order? Let the fun begin!

Gary
Carmen said:
If Dell is playing games as some of you have suggested.. it's a
doozy!!! Maybe they don't have anything better to do....:)

So tomorrow is the day and we'll all see...I will call them in the
afternoon and see what they say.

Carmen
JohnM said:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&page=1&message=1778310
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Sorry, I don't buy that. How many reviewers are there as compared to buyers. Surely a few hundreds spared for the press review is not too much to ask for. It's more likely Nikon was nervous about hurting the sale through bad review. Think it over...

Phil.O.
Carmen said:
Carmen
John Pinches said:
Certainly if a company was releasing a bad product, they would not
wish to have bad press which would hurt sales. That makes complete
sense.

However, what the skeptics are missing here is that X-MAS shopping
season is here. Since the company has already placed advertising
and pre-marketed the 5000, there is undoubtedly great demand for
this product. As prior posts mentioned, a distributor had an
allocation of 1500 or so already sold. Retailers have been
promised this product for their X-MAS product mix. So with high
demand and XMAS here, I'm sure Nikon is rushing the 5000 to the
market at the very last minute. One can speculate if Nikon
released the product to early with known problems. However, we will
not know that untill someone with knowledge has this camera in his
or her hands.

Having been involved in product management, I wouldn't be
surpisrised if Nikon has restricted their dealers from shipping
product until all dealers are stocked. You wouldn't believe the
heat a manufacturer gets from it's distribution channel when one
dealer gets product and another doesn't. While Nikon may have
prioritized their dealer allocations in the past according to
dealer annual sales volume, they may have learned their lesson and
changed their ways.

So with all available production units going to retailers, there
may just not be any spare units for reviews. Sounds like the
dealer channel has them all spoken for, for now.
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Phil,

They have already released the camera once for comments. It has to be on the shelves in time for Christmas. There is no spare time to afford freebies for reviewers early. There is no conspiracy. Sales are the bottom line.
Rich
P.Ong said:
Phil.O.
Carmen said:
Carmen
John Pinches said:
Certainly if a company was releasing a bad product, they would not
wish to have bad press which would hurt sales. That makes complete
sense.

However, what the skeptics are missing here is that X-MAS shopping
season is here. Since the company has already placed advertising
and pre-marketed the 5000, there is undoubtedly great demand for
this product. As prior posts mentioned, a distributor had an
allocation of 1500 or so already sold. Retailers have been
promised this product for their X-MAS product mix. So with high
demand and XMAS here, I'm sure Nikon is rushing the 5000 to the
market at the very last minute. One can speculate if Nikon
released the product to early with known problems. However, we will
not know that untill someone with knowledge has this camera in his
or her hands.

Having been involved in product management, I wouldn't be
surpisrised if Nikon has restricted their dealers from shipping
product until all dealers are stocked. You wouldn't believe the
heat a manufacturer gets from it's distribution channel when one
dealer gets product and another doesn't. While Nikon may have
prioritized their dealer allocations in the past according to
dealer annual sales volume, they may have learned their lesson and
changed their ways.

So with all available production units going to retailers, there
may just not be any spare units for reviews. Sounds like the
dealer channel has them all spoken for, for now.
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P.Ong said:
Sorry, I don't buy that. How many reviewers are there as compared
to buyers. Surely a few hundreds spared for the press review is not
too much to ask for. It's more likely Nikon was nervous about
hurting the sale through bad review. Think it over...
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Speculation is like passing gas, everyone dose it but never thinks that theirs stinks. The tricky part is how lone it lingers. Nikon has a good history with coolpix, I can only speculate that the 5000 will match the history
 
Phil,

I have had the fortune of releasing a "hot" product. Employees couldn't get their hands on them either. All units get allocated to dealers. A few hundred units means 1-3 dealers don't receive product. Dealers are their customers, not reviewers. I have dealt with the problem as a product manager and if the premise of my point is correct, I would make the decision to send all available units to dealers untill all "active" dealers orders are fulfilled. The product has a 2-4 year product life cycle, so there is plenty of times to promote through reviews. My bosses would want the same thing as well. The end of the fiscal year is near as well. Many large corporations have a calendar year fiscal accounting period.

My point is mute if Nikon dealers do not begin shipping product. In which case, I wouldn't want to be the Product Manager for the CP5000! He or she will be in the cross hairs!
.Ong said:
Phil.O.
Carmen said:
Carmen
John Pinches said:
Certainly if a company was releasing a bad product, they would not
wish to have bad press which would hurt sales. That makes complete
sense.
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Philip Ong said:
Philip Ong said:
Philip Ong said:
So with all available production units going to retailers, there
may just not be any spare units for reviews. Sounds like the
dealer channel has them all spoken for, for now.
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What's the problem Phil, Do you need a review to make a decision that bad? It seems you have already signed sealed and delivered the fate of the Nikon 5000 without even laying eyes on one, let alone having put it through is's paces....I have never known Nikon to make a bad product...and I truly believe that the 5000 will be a good one....however all this speculation and mud slinging is definitely not a good thing....

Carmen
John Pinches said:
I have had the fortune of releasing a "hot" product. Employees
couldn't get their hands on them either. All units get allocated
to dealers. A few hundred units means 1-3 dealers don't receive
product. Dealers are their customers, not reviewers. I have dealt
with the problem as a product manager and if the premise of my
point is correct, I would make the decision to send all available
units to dealers untill all "active" dealers orders are fulfilled.
The product has a 2-4 year product life cycle, so there is plenty
of times to promote through reviews. My bosses would want the same
thing as well. The end of the fiscal year is near as well. Many
large corporations have a calendar year fiscal accounting period.

My point is mute if Nikon dealers do not begin shipping product.
In which case, I wouldn't want to be the Product Manager for the
CP5000! He or she will be in the cross hairs!
.Ong said:
Phil.O.
Carmen said:
Carmen
John Pinches said:
Certainly if a company was releasing a bad product, they would not
wish to have bad press which would hurt sales. That makes complete
sense.
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John Pinches said:
John Pinches said:
John Pinches said:
So with all available production units going to retailers, there
may just not be any spare units for reviews. Sounds like the
dealer channel has them all spoken for, for now.
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Hi Gary,

I guess that would be Dell... but you probably already know this....having too much fun...lol

Carmen
Gary Blyn said:
Gary
Carmen said:
If Dell is playing games as some of you have suggested.. it's a
doozy!!! Maybe they don't have anything better to do....:)

So tomorrow is the day and we'll all see...I will call them in the
afternoon and see what they say.

Carmen
JohnM said:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&page=1&message=1778310
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I totally agree with John. Getting the highly anticipated camera to the market before Xmas (marketing) and before the end of the fiscal year (financials) is a total priority. Remember, production units do not come in batches of 10. It's thousands. It would be foolish to think that Nikon is going to hold a batch of a few thousand units from sale for two weeks at this time of the year just to give reviewers an opportunity to test the camera. No sane company will ever do it. Nikon marketing guys are confident the camera will sell like crazy just based on the first looks, the season, pre-order data from distributors, and this forum (what a hype! :-), and Nikon finance guys just need their revenue before the end of the year no matter what. It's just a well calculated financial game.

flanker
 
100 camera's for reviews maybe even less than that. That's 100k $ of sales. Tell me how is that even going to register on the bottomline of a big company like nikon.

Clearly this is no reason to withhold units from reviewers.

Maybe we're all just being too impatient we should take it easy and give it till next week.

cj
 
Yeah, and it has nothing to do with quality of the product. Nikon is not a size or a type of the company that needs to play "take you money and run" games. Like I said, the release decisions are pure marketing and financial, and the product quality is whatever it turns out to be, independent of anything else. I am pretty sure it's going to be just another great camera from Nikon with its own pros and cons, and Phil's classic "So which one should I buy?" at the end of the review. :-)

flanker
flanker said:
I totally agree with John. Getting the highly anticipated camera to
the market before Xmas (marketing) and before the end of the fiscal
year (financials) is a total priority. Remember, production units
do not come in batches of 10. It's thousands. It would be foolish
to think that Nikon is going to hold a batch of a few thousand
units from sale for two weeks at this time of the year just to give
reviewers an opportunity to test the camera. No sane company will
ever do it. Nikon marketing guys are confident the camera will sell
like crazy just based on the first looks, the season, pre-order
data from distributors, and this forum (what a hype! :-), and Nikon
finance guys just need their revenue before the end of the year no
matter what. It's just a well calculated financial game.

flanker
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I am not talking about revenue lost on the cameras sent to reviewers. :-) I am talking about two weeks of seasonal sales Nikon would loose if they decide to wait for review results. If they just produced the first few production batches, these cameras will go to both, distributors and reviewers at the same time. I won't be surprised if Phil gets his review production unit on the same day as Carmen gets hers. :-) Man, this forum is so much fun lately!

flanker
cj said:
100 camera's for reviews maybe even less than that. That's 100k $
of sales. Tell me how is that even going to register on the
bottomline of a big company like nikon.

Clearly this is no reason to withhold units from reviewers.

Maybe we're all just being too impatient we should take it easy and
give it till next week.

cj
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