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Ferenc MOGOR

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Hi to all Friends here,

This is supposed to be just a quick poll to see how everyone is doing their shooting styles.

It's enough to include "jpg" or"raw" in the title line, but if you'd like to enter more reasonings on either format please feel free to do so.

Let's see where were are at in early 2006. :-)

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Cheers, Feri

'I can look at a fine photograph and sometimes I can hear music. Ansel Adams.'
 
marc baumser said:
when I have a camera :-(
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And when you don't have a camera you talk about raw, and when you don't talk about raw you just keep on thinking about raw! True? :-)

And when you have a camera again you will shoot raw and you will share "jpg from raw" photos with the board again!! :-)

Cheer up, Marc, think about the time when you have a camera again! :-)

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Cheers, Feri

'I can look at a fine photograph and sometimes I can hear music. Ansel Adams.'
 
Hi Feri,

Having seen how much "blown" detail you can recover in raw, I switched a while back and don't use jpeg at all, except under rare circumstances such as I am down to my last dozen shots and I am out of memory.
Regards,
Richard.
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Richard B.
http://www.pbase.com/richard_b
 
I'm no pro, most of the time JPEG is just fine on my A2.

I shoot RAW when I'm in difficult lighting conditions and I need to use ISO200 or above.

RSE does such a nice job, and gives me one more stop of ISO that I can't squeeze out of the noisy JPEG images. But I always go to Photoshop to sharpen.

However- After I post process and get an image I like- I generally (OMG!) throw away the RAW photo. Just too big of a file and too slow to deal with.

Really- how many 11Mbyte files do I need of my 2-year old.

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Prior to the firmware upgrade, I shot about half and half - the write delay was just too much a lot of the time. Now that's solved, I shoot mainly raw. Then I can have hours of fun trying to process the results trying to see if I can get better results. I'm not very good at it, so i always think I can do better. But seriously, last summer I shot mainly jpg while i was on holiday in America. Th results are very good, but on a number of them i wish that i had the raw so i could get just that bit better results.
 
Richard B. said:
Hi Feri,
Having seen how much "blown" detail you can recover in raw, I
switched a while back and don't use jpeg at all, except under rare
circumstances such as I am down to my last dozen shots and I am out
of memory.
Regards,
Richard.
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Oh my, Richard! Storage prices are going down and down, ..why not get another 2 gig Sandisk card tomorrow morning before breakfast!? :-)

You can never know what your last dozen shots will be, but the risk of regret is always there! ;-))

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Cheers, Feri

'I can look at a fine photograph and sometimes I can hear music. Ansel Adams.'
 
morey000 said:
I'm no pro, most of the time JPEG is just fine on my A2.
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Me no pro either, but since the Axxx provides the RAW facility I can not but utilize it to the brim.
morey000 said:
I shoot RAW when I'm in difficult lighting conditions and I need to
use ISO200 or above.
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I always feel I'm in a difficult lighting condition whenever I have the cam in hand (lol), therefore I need not worry that I make a mistake by letting the camera process my shots into a final jpg format instead of me! :-)
morey000 said:
RSE does such a nice job, and gives me one more stop of ISO that I
can't squeeze out of the noisy JPEG images. But I always go to
Photoshop to sharpen.
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Great!
morey000 said:
However- After I post process and get an image I like- I generally
(OMG!) throw away the RAW photo. Just too big of a file and too
slow to deal with.
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Huh? OMG! This is just like throwing away the negative film!! :-( Well, up to you, Man?!!??)
morey000 said:
Really- how many 11Mbyte files do I need of my 2-year old.
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All of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) An external HDD in an enclosure costs less that $1/ gigabyte. Just consider!!! :-)

Here she is:



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Cheers, Feri

'I can look at a fine photograph and sometimes I can hear music. Ansel Adams.'
 
Well, it was only the once I nearly ran out. At that time I had 2x512M and 1x256M and it was near the end of our vacation. Since then, I bought another 1G card and a laptop PC that I copy the pics to each day. So I think I am in much better shape now!
Richard.
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Richard B.
http://www.pbase.com/richard_b
 
"Whenever your jpg out-of-cam images turn out to be better in quality than your hand-processed raw conversion images that means your camera is a better image processor that YOU are!"

:-(

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Cheers, Feri

'I can look at a fine photograph and sometimes I can hear music. Ansel Adams.'
 
"When you have a jpg file out-of-cam all that you can do is called "post-processing".

Why?

Coz your images have already been processed by the camera and compressed to jpg according to the built-in algorithms the factory engineers have set up in advance for YOU! In other words you bake the bread twice! ;-)

But when you shoot RAW you are going to do "processing" (instead of "post-processing"), yeap, the first hand tweaking, untouched and unaltered by any in-cam progies where you don't actually know what is done, eh?! :-(

The cameras do have a "mini PhotoShop" ( or the like) inside, but we will never know what they actualy do to our images.

So, go figure! :-)

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Cheers, Feri

'I can look at a fine photograph and sometimes I can hear music. Ansel Adams.'
 
I use CS2 and the white balance I get using RAW is worth the trouble. Also i quit using Noise Ninja (for some reason I lilked the old interface but never warmed up to the newesr interface).

Anyway,

I mess around a bit w/ CS2's auto white balance verses the cameras and for indoor shoots (flash or any man made lighting) it works wonders.

I also set the luminance and color noise sliders to around 50 and then when I open the image in CS2 I do a weak noise reduction on just the blue channel.

Works good for me.

I think JPEG in day light works pretty good but I just do RAW anyway as a method of reducing noise.
 
Richard B. said:
Well, it was only the once I nearly ran out. At that time I had
2x512M and 1x256M and it was near the end of our vacation. Since
then, I bought another 1G card and a laptop PC that I copy the pics
to each day. So I think I am in much better shape now!
Richard.
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Well, yeap, I do the same or similar to be in a good shape,...LOL,..at the end of the day on vacation I flush the card contents through a laptop to an external HDD...like this:



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Cheers, Feri

'I can look at a fine photograph and sometimes I can hear music. Ansel Adams.'
 
Always RAW.

Marc--I've been following your unfortunate story regarding your camera loss. Hope it comes to a successful resolution real soon. I just live a short distance down the NJ Turnpike from you(Burlington County) and am willing to rent out my A2 to you for megamegabucks/hour ;-)). Seriously, hope everything is resolved real soon and resolved favorably for you. Let us know when you can get back to serious photography.

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Lionel
 
Like Morey, I choose raw when shooting higher iso (which means anything over 100 on the A2), when shooting scenes with complex lighting, or anytime I go out to shoot with only photography in mind (which seems to be 10% of the time because I'm usually taking pictures and shooting videos of the kids 90% of the time).
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Steve W
 
My Fuji F10 can process ISO 400 and 800 images by itself far better than I can process RAW A2 images at those same isos--even with Neatimage helping out. And the F10 has a much smaller sensor than 2/3!

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Steve W
 
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