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the Fuji F10 is a 'nice' p&s digital camera, but it has certain annoyances that no reviews would have ever mentioned, as for example:

-the use of the SLOW , tiny and fragile XD memory card formats, that no all memory card readers accept.

it takes at least 3 times slower to transfer a 1gb XD card, even using a 'fast' usb2 memory card reader. Further more, i got my vacation pics VANISHED when i tried to dump the 1gb XD card using a Wolverine 40gb external storage device. something happened, the device hung and i could not read any memory cards content anymore, neither in the camera or another memory reader: 'card needs to be formated'. (the wolverine drive is to blame? maybe, but, if the camera had SD or CF, that wouldnt be a problem..)
  • the PROPRIETARY camera to PC strange connector which requires to have at all times the annoying ADAPTOR that came with the camera , you need it as well to plug the AC convertor for recharging the battery wich remains inside the camera. - if you forget or loose the adaptor there is no way to dump your pictures (if u have no XD capable memory card reader)or recharge the battery, once again fuji's proprietary battery. Compared to some sony p&s, they use standard mini usb....
i will stay away from Fuji and XD...

thank you :D
 
denisp said:
the Fuji F10 is a 'nice' p&s digital camera, but it has certain
annoyances that no reviews would have ever mentioned, as for
example:

-the use of the SLOW , tiny and fragile XD memory card formats,
that no all memory card readers accept.

it takes at least 3 times slower to transfer a 1gb XD card, even
using a 'fast' usb2 memory card reader. Further more, i got my
vacation pics VANISHED when i tried to dump the 1gb XD card using a
Wolverine 40gb external storage device. something happened, the
device hung and i could not read any memory cards content anymore,
neither in the camera or another memory reader: 'card needs to be
formated'. (the wolverine drive is to blame? maybe, but, if the
camera had SD or CF, that wouldnt be a problem..)
  • the PROPRIETARY camera to PC strange connector which requires to
have at all times the annoying ADAPTOR that came with the camera ,
you need it as well to plug the AC convertor for recharging the
battery wich remains inside the camera. - if you forget or loose
the adaptor there is no way to dump your pictures (if u have no XD
capable memory card reader)or recharge the battery, once again
fuji's proprietary battery. Compared to some sony p&s, they use
standard mini usb....
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And so? If you don't read the specs of a product before you buy it, then YOU'RE the fool, not Fuji. The picture quality exceeds all competitors I know of, and the excellent batterylife is a chapter for itself. I agree 100% that the requirement of the USB converter is a huge "designflaw", but you could buy a battery charger, and you couldalso buy a XD cardreader. Whipe your eyes, and go out and take picturs instead :oÞ

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Thomas Schreiber
 
denisp said:
it takes at least 3 times slower to transfer a 1gb XD card, even
using a 'fast' usb2 memory card reader. Further more, i got my
vacation pics VANISHED when i tried to dump the 1gb XD card using a
Wolverine 40gb external storage device. something happened, the
device hung and i could not read any memory cards content anymore,
neither in the camera or another memory reader: 'card needs to be
formated'. (the wolverine drive is to blame? maybe, but, if the
camera had SD or CF, that wouldnt be a problem..)
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Your card reader probably does not support 1gb M Card, oops... better luck next time.

curtis

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I never lost one single picture out of 3,000 so far on my F11 using the Fuji supplied cord and since I only charge the absolutely incredible propriatary battery once every two weeks or so (if that) I dont find it an inconvience......I call that excellent engineering on the power use of the camera....if I lose my cord, I can always do you what your doing buy a card reader. Using the cord is a time saver for my desktop setup. I can download a full 512 meg card in 1.48 minutes.

You really cant blame Fuji because you didnt read the specs of your card reader before you decided it was 100 % compatable.

With regards to XD cards themselves.......you knew that going in so dont blame Fuji for that one either! I assume Fuji did it to increase thier bottom line, its a small price to pay to get the image quality my F11 produces!
 
Be careful guys, do not let somebodies lack of judgement make you say something you'll later regret. This person is just another one of many who do not read before they buy and then blames the equipment for not being designed they way they think it should be.

By the way guy, if your so unhappy with your camera, you'll be able to sell it pretty easy with no trouble at all. Fuji makes some of the best cameras there are, not perfect granted, but some of the best there is, so you'll be able to sell it with no trouble.
JD
 
denisp said:
the Fuji F10 is a 'nice' p&s digital camera, but it has certain
annoyances that no reviews would have ever mentioned, as for
example:

-the use of the SLOW , tiny and fragile XD memory card formats,
that no all memory card readers accept.
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I wouldn't say XD cards are fragile.
denisp said:
it takes at least 3 times slower to transfer a 1gb XD card, even
using a 'fast' usb2 memory card reader.
Click to expand...
denisp said:
Further more, i got my
vacation pics VANISHED when i tried to dump the 1gb XD card using a
Wolverine 40gb external storage device. something happened, the
device hung and i could not read any memory cards content anymore,
neither in the camera or another memory reader: 'card needs to be
formated'. (the wolverine drive is to blame? maybe, but, if the
camera had SD or CF, that wouldnt be a problem..)
Click to expand...
Then again, if the particular brand of external storage device hadn't been compatible with SD or CF? Sorry to hear about the loss of your pictures though. I always believe in several smaller cards than 1 large card.
denisp said:
  • the PROPRIETARY camera to PC strange connector which requires to
have at all times the annoying ADAPTOR that came with the camera ,
you need it as well to plug the AC convertor for recharging the
battery wich remains inside the camera. - if you forget or loose
the adaptor there is no way to dump your pictures (if u have no XD
capable memory card reader)or recharge the battery, once again
fuji's proprietary battery. Compared to some sony p&s, they use
standard mini usb....
Click to expand...
Quite a lot of modern cameras use proprietary batteries, something which I do not like. Hence my choice of camera which runs on AAs! (A fuji S5600) AA cells can be bought pretty much anywhere. I agree with your complaint about proprietary connectors too.
denisp said:
i will stay away from Fuji and XD...
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You pay your money and make your choice.
denisp said:
thank you :D
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I can't believe anyone would buy a camera without knowing first what memory type it is.

And I can't believe you would use an unknown backup system on vaction without first testing it.
 
Well-
Maybe you are just frusrated and should have read more....

The cameras are wonderful. I sold my F11 to wait for the F30 and actually just got an e900 which I love.

I can appreciate that it is hard to have to invest in so many cards. Believe me, I have 4 types and what a nuisance..

But I love my Sony H1 so, voila, MS. And there are so many types it is the most annoying card I use and gives me the most grief.

For the XD I had to buy newer card readers, it won't work in either printerand I had to buy a special adaptor for my Flashtrak.

That said- I find the card reads very quickly and I now have two Oly's that also take the card.

There are some good deals around for the card, like at Fry's. Also, I didn't like the dongle thing either so I got a reasonably priced external charger.

A camera is almost never just the price of the camera. I just got lucky with the e900 because I have AA rechargeables and XD cards, and such.

Usually, tho, I have to consider a minimum of $150 additional for the extras.

So, if you can--try it.

If not, well heck- you can go to Miranda and consider my sweet mint V1 with all the goodies- but- you will still need MS!

Folks here are nice--try again!

Lind
 
denisp said:
the Fuji F10 is a 'nice' p&s digital camera, but it has certain
annoyances that no reviews would have ever mentioned, as for
example:

-the use of the SLOW , tiny and fragile XD memory card formats,
that no all memory card readers accept.

it takes at least 3 times slower to transfer a 1gb XD card, even
using a 'fast' usb2 memory card reader. Further more, i got my
vacation pics VANISHED when i tried to dump the 1gb XD card using a
Wolverine 40gb external storage device. something happened, the
device hung and i could not read any memory cards content anymore,
neither in the camera or another memory reader: 'card needs to be
formated'. (the wolverine drive is to blame? maybe, but, if the
camera had SD or CF, that wouldnt be a problem..)
  • the PROPRIETARY camera to PC strange connector which requires to
have at all times the annoying ADAPTOR that came with the camera ,
you need it as well to plug the AC convertor for recharging the
battery wich remains inside the camera. - if you forget or loose
the adaptor there is no way to dump your pictures (if u have no XD
capable memory card reader)or recharge the battery, once again
fuji's proprietary battery. Compared to some sony p&s, they use
standard mini usb....

i will stay away from Fuji and XD...

thank you :D
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Gee, you would think that someone who posts most consistently in the Canon EOS forums and occaisionally in the Fuji SLR forums would:
1) not be considering a lowly Fuji.

2) already be used to a certain amount of proprietary accessories for their cameras.

3) have the common sense/knowledge that problems often arise from other manufacturers gear and out of date equipment not designed to work with TODAYS gear.

Can you spell TROLL?

My 2-3 year old HP printer has xD card slots, how ancient is your printer? My computer card reader/slots (yes, it has xD slots) work fine with my xD cards and don't take that long to download (and my fragile xD cards have performed flawlessly for over two years), my S7000 gives great results and I did not even have to buy tons of off brand un-needed accessories. In the future I suggest you thouroughly research a potential purchase prior to plunking down your hard earned cash. Oh, and it really won't bother me if you don't return to the wonderful forum here.
Clyde
 
You could've voiced your criticism more constructively and avoided some of the invective you received from forum members. But your research should've also been more comprehensive.

Pretty much all hobbiest, including us photographers, pursue and dream of the perfect piece of equipment, whether it be a camera, surfboard, perfect all-season tire, fishing pole, backpack, etc.

Of course it's superfluous to repeat that "No camera (or insert another piece of gear) is perfect." Life isn't perfect and nothing we find within it will be either. So we're always left comparing pros v. cons and risks of choosing one thing/product/action over another. And we choose what suits our needs the best, regardless of its flaws.

So, the F10 has some flaws. The real question when trying to choose a camera is whether any of its particular flaws is a deal-breaker for you.

I have the F10 and want the F30 - but only if Fuji has resolved what have developed into deal-breakers for me. Those deal-breakers are:

-poor resolution lcd;
-lack of internal contrast adjustment; and
-lack of a histogram. I don't need a live one, but I at least need one!!

Those were not deal-breakers for me before, but they have become such, and if they are not resolved, I will choose a different flawed camera to replace the F10, possibly the flawed Casio Z850.

Best!

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CP- E 4 2 0 0; Canon Powershot S 4 1 0
Fuji FinePix F-10 Zoom
 
No F30 for you........no histogram......you will have to lower your standards..........or sit on the sidelines! I've never had one, but I use it all the time in photshop, I am doing my due dilligence on a DSLR, so a compact that takes incredible pictures without one, is not a deal breaker for me, I think the F30 is going to be really great camera, I know I love my F11!
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... but you didn't, did you? Funny that you're now taking the time to rant that you apparently didn't to get informed about the camera you were buying in the first place.

Not uncommon, though :)

Oh, and by the way: many F10 reviews, including DPReview's, DO inform about those annoyances you pretend they don't. You just have to pay attention to what you're reading.
 
What's with the harsh, smug, thin-skinned, trash-talking criticism of this poster? The poster is more venting disappointment with himself than making a dispassionate criticism of Fuji's "solution." A camera is a composite of many features, and just because you read about them doesn't mean you'll like them in practice. Buyer's remorse isn't a character flaw, it's an everyday occurence. But jumping ugly on some guy whose down? What's that say about character?
 
Tim39 said:
What's with the harsh, smug, thin-skinned, trash-talking criticism
of this poster? The poster is more venting disappointment with
himself than making a dispassionate criticism of Fuji's "solution."
A camera is a composite of many features, and just because you read
about them doesn't mean you'll like them in practice. Buyer's
remorse isn't a character flaw, it's an everyday occurence. But
jumping ugly on some guy whose down? What's that say about
character?
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If you read my earlier response you will see that this is someone who posts quite a bit on the Canon EOS forums and 18 months or so back on the Fuji SLR forum. I would certainly think that he's been around long enough to know what to look for/at when considering the purchase of a new camera. Venting disappointment in himself? You are daydreaming, he is slamming Fuji in every respect with every sentence he wrote, not wallowing in buyers remorse.
Clyde
 
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