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EOSMan said:
Michael Friedman said:
they will be shooting themselves in the foot if suddenly all new
DVDs, including rentals, require you to buy a new TV. It will cause
a revolution. People will burn CDs and their TV sets in bonfires on
the street. People will start reading books again and, dare I say
it, going to galleries to view photographs ... oh, oh, can't have
that, can we :-)
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'When you come to a fork in the road, take it!'
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There is not going to be a deadline where, if you don't get your new hardware on this day, you'll be dead.

New monitors/TVs will be compliant, but DVDs will be dual format. You'll be able to play them on your regular equipment at standard resolution.

At some point, years down the road, they may drop the current format. But probably not for ten years or so.

The comparison someone made to 8-track, casette, cd, mp3, etc. isn't really valid because old and new formats existed side-by-side for quite a while. Hey, you can still buy vinyl records in specialty stores. They still make them for audiophiles who think they sound better. You can still buy cassette tapes, and most video rental stores have both DVD and tape formats.
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will you also replace your graphic card? because I hope you know that you will ALSO need a HDCP compliant video card and currently there are none on the market.

those that say HDCP ready from ATI and Nvidia are just that..HDCP ready..they are NOT HDCP compliant.

but Sony will not downsample its contant on blue-ray.

To me that only matter if you want to install vista (I don't) and if you want to watch digital contant with DVI connection with your computer.
jahoojoe said:
jahoojoe said:
I loved the part in this thread where the OP said "That's what the
salesman said..." SO.... he got talked out of a $300 monitor and
instead bought what... a more expensive monitor I'm guessing?
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Actually I returned the monitor that they sold me at such a great
price. They conveniately failed to mention it wont play movies when
the new technology hits the market. Thats why monitors are so cheap
right now. There are only a few HDCP compatible ones out right now.
The Gayeway 21" is the one I just bought, and it is worth every
penny.
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jahoojoe said:
The idea that youll still be able to watch them on less than high
definition (as others have said) is not correct. heres why. In
order to prevent the signal from being stolen,captured, recorded,
the player must keep a coded communication periodically to the
display device(monitor, TV). If that item cant respond and "talk"
to the player, then the player wont play the video. This is a way
for movie companies to prevent theft.
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Wrong again, non-HDCP monitors do indeed receive a downsampled signal. It's part of the specification.

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thejaybird said:
jahoojoe said:
The idea that youll still be able to watch them on less than high
definition (as others have said) is not correct. heres why. In
order to prevent the signal from being stolen,captured, recorded,
the player must keep a coded communication periodically to the
display device(monitor, TV). If that item cant respond and "talk"
to the player, then the player wont play the video. This is a way
for movie companies to prevent theft.
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Wrong again, non-HDCP monitors do indeed receive a downsampled
signal. It's part of the specification.

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Remember, if the display device wont "talk" to the player, the player wont play the video. Unless your monitor is HDCP compliant, it wont "talk". If they allowed any display device to show the video, then the whole idea is worthless. I dont think they would invest millions of money to still allow the products to be coppied.
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Brandon
 
jahoojoe said:
I returned my new 21" for this reason,
and bought the new Gateway 21" that is HDCP.
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Brandon;

Be very careful with new technology. You have an EARLY (call it a Beta) HDCP system. And if some of the specs are hardwired into the chips and IF they change the HDCP specs just slightly, thus affecting only a small number of early HDCP monitors, you might find that your HDCP compatible monitor is just as useful as the Pentium Overdrive Processor upgrade for 486 systems.

In other words until HDCP devices are in the mainstream, you might not know rather your monitor is truely compatible with the full spec.

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kheider said:
kheider said:
I returned my new 21" for this reason,
and bought the new Gateway 21" that is HDCP.
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Brandon;

Be very careful with new technology. You have an EARLY (call it a
Beta) HDCP system. And if some of the specs are hardwired into the
chips and IF they change the HDCP specs just slightly, thus
affecting only a small number of early HDCP monitors, you might
find that your HDCP compatible monitor is just as useful as the
Pentium Overdrive Processor upgrade for 486 systems.

In other words until HDCP devices are in the mainstream, you might
not know rather your monitor is truely compatible with the full
spec.

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Kevin Heider

West Coast Swing Photos at:
http://www.pbase.com/kheider
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That is a very good point, and I am covered by the extended two year warranty, which will allow me to return the monitor at any time for any reason.
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Brandon
 
I'am sure what you are saying will happen sooner and unexpectedly.

It's not regular (as we have seen so far) technological evolution, it's technology business. Retro compatibility is not granted for Trusted Computing. TCPA software wouldn't run on a free environment.

Of course, there will be some transitional period, so you could gladly choose to see the new HD Videos on Blue Ray with a 320x240 resolution on your powerful PC, but you'll never get full res until you work in a totally sealed TCPA system.
 
nimnar said:
Content companies have already lost the fight. Any new standard
will be cracked quickly. Anything displayed on a monitor can be
copied straight off the monitor into MPEG4 and I don't see how this
is ever going to be stopped.

Someone I know at Microsoft Research even explained a watermarking
technique they're working on that they hope could frustrate this
kind of copying. He says everytime they send a prototype to their
cosultant-pirates it comes back without the watermark.
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This is just the point which I was thinking of.

What 100 (some small number really) people are paid to create in limited time (one, two, three years?) others will take as a challange to break. Generally there will be thousands to one working to defeat the protection, in thier free time, as thier passion. No protection will ever be good enough, not give those odds.

This isn't really the point of this thread though. The point is that standard consumers are (yet again) being forced to upgrade thier equipment to watch something which isn't worth that cost. This is my main reason for not running out and buying a new HDTV. Why should I? Most of the TV shows that are currently on don't need high resolution display, they need better acting, better plots.

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jahoojoe said:
Remember, if the display device wont "talk" to the player, the
player wont play the video. Unless your monitor is HDCP compliant,
it wont "talk". If they allowed any display device to show the
video, then the whole idea is worthless. I dont think they would
invest millions of money to still allow the products to be coppied.
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You are really confused about this. HDCP works over existing DVI/HDMI connections, it's just an additional protocol. The specification requires sending a downsampled signal to non-HDCP devices, not ignoring them altogether. That was a concession made to the display device companies. Yes you can copy the content (illegally in most cases) but at reduced quality.

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jahoojoe said:
kheider said:
jahoojoe said:
I returned my new 21" for this reason,
and bought the new Gateway 21" that is HDCP.
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Brandon;

Be very careful with new technology. You have an EARLY (call it a
Beta) HDCP system. And if some of the specs are hardwired into the
chips and IF they change the HDCP specs just slightly, thus
affecting only a small number of early HDCP monitors, you might
find that your HDCP compatible monitor is just as useful as the
Pentium Overdrive Processor upgrade for 486 systems.

In other words until HDCP devices are in the mainstream, you might
not know rather your monitor is truely compatible with the full
spec.

--
Kevin Heider

West Coast Swing Photos at:
http://www.pbase.com/kheider
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That is a very good point, and I am covered by the extended two
year warranty, which will allow me to return the monitor at any
time for any reason.
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just curious and back to photography a bit..do you have insurance on your photography equipement? accidental damage? theif anywhere in the wolrd?

do you?
jahoojoe said:
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You are right, but before you worry about your monitor, oyu better worry about your DVD player, that won't work with the new format as well.
jahoojoe said:
Believe what you want. It wont be exactly a year, but when the new
dvd's start being mass produced, then youll see.
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Brandon
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Sean Rose said:
Of all the personal
freedoms being restricted in the USA now, your HD TV signal should
probably be down on your list of the ones to get upset over.
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Oh...Oh...Someone's gonna start hearing strange "clicks" in his phone conversations...

PK

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I'm using Build 5270 of Windows Vista right now, through a standard DVI cable on my Dell 2405. No HDCP in sight here :)

Vista will be workable with non HDCP compliant DVI connections, however the HD video component may refuse to output HD video on non-HDCP displays.

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