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Daniella68313 · Mar 17, 2006

jahoojoe said:
jahoojoe said:

Remember when Lp's went to 8 track, then to cassette, then to cd,

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then to MP3
Remember when reel to reel went to BetaMax, to VCR, to DVD, to.......

you're talking about a very different thing here. those devises did nto stop working in matters of days..by the time the new technology was there those devises had already served their purpose.

but a TV is something people buy for many years. not like a VCR or so.

jahoojoe said:
Millions of people said that they would quit buying, quit renting,
throw there TVs away, their stereos away. Here we are still buying
, still renting, more TVs than ever.

and many probably did. the technology you are refering too in music did not took place in matter of the next day thing. it was very gradual.

in the case we are concerned here the people will most likely feel that they have been frauded when buying their harware and not being informed of the future limitations.

if they try to implement this too quickly, they will fail.

jahoojoe said:
jahoojoe said:

sure they can buy a new TV and just what? throw away their almost
brand new TV? nonsense. I suspect if that was to happen, not too
many people would just get rid of their new TV.

they will have to come up with a second machine that will be an
addon to decode those..or too many people will just stop renting
and buying movies.

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I dont think they will. People will just accept this right along
with evry other new technology that has forced someone to buy
something new.

no I don,t think so. what do you think they will do with their 4000$ or 5000$ HDTV?

I won't even consider it and mine was only 1000$.

and I can tell you that much..I WILL STOP renting and buying those that will not work on my TV. I can't speak for anyone else of course but I think not that many people will want to simply buy another 5000$ hdtv just to watch movies.

jahoojoe said:
I remember when digital cameras came out, many people said they
would never use it and film will always be best.

again you're talking about very differnt things. as it is, digital cameras have evolved to a decent resolution. those who were speaking that way where professional photographers and in those days they were right.

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jahoojoe · Mar 17, 2006

Daniella said:
jahoojoe said:

Daniella68313 said:

Remember when Lp's went to 8 track, then to cassette, then to cd,

Click to expand...

then to MP3
Remember when reel to reel went to BetaMax, to VCR, to DVD, to.......

Click to expand...

you're talking about a very different thing here. those devises
did nto stop working in matters of days..by the time the new
technology was there those devises had already served their purpose.

but a TV is something people buy for many years. not like a VCR or
so.

Daniella68313 said:

Millions of people said that they would quit buying, quit renting,
throw there TVs away, their stereos away. Here we are still buying
, still renting, more TVs than ever.

Click to expand...

and many probably did. the technology you are refering too in
music did not took place in matter of the next day thing. it was
very gradual.

in the case we are concerned here the people will most likely feel
that they have been frauded when buying their harware and not being
informed of the future limitations.

if they try to implement this too quickly, they will fail.

Daniella68313 said:

Daniella68313 said:

sure they can buy a new TV and just what? throw away their almost
brand new TV? nonsense. I suspect if that was to happen, not too
many people would just get rid of their new TV.

they will have to come up with a second machine that will be an
addon to decode those..or too many people will just stop renting
and buying movies.

Click to expand...

I dont think they will. People will just accept this right along
with evry other new technology that has forced someone to buy
something new.

Click to expand...

no I don,t think so. what do you think they will do with their
4000$ or 5000$ HDTV?

I won't even consider it and mine was only 1000$.

and I can tell you that much..I WILL STOP renting and buying those
that will not work on my TV. I can't speak for anyone else of
course but I think not that many people will want to simply buy
another 5000$ hdtv just to watch movies.

Daniella68313 said:

I remember when digital cameras came out, many people said they
would never use it and film will always be best.

Click to expand...

again you're talking about very differnt things. as it is, digital
cameras have evolved to a decent resolution. those who were
speaking that way where professional photographers and in those
days they were right.

I dont think this is much different. And this isnt going to happen overnight. I have already bought my HDCP compliant monitor. And it isnt needed for about a year. I think the retail companies figure if they start getting them out now, by the time they are necessary, enough people will have them that it will lessen the bang from the consumers fighting against it.
Brandon

Daniella68313 · Mar 17, 2006

EOSMan said:
Here's what's being missed. They will still play on your standard
monitors (TVs) under the old video format. If you want to take
advantage of the newer and higher video quality then it will need
to be compliant.

that's fine with me. what I get already is all I need.

EOSMan said:
Michael Friedman said:

they will be shooting themselves in the foot if suddenly all new
DVDs, including rentals, require you to buy a new TV. It will cause
a revolution. People will burn CDs and their TV sets in bonfires on
the street. People will start reading books again and, dare I say
it, going to galleries to view photographs ... oh, oh, can't have
that, can we
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http://www.novalight-imaging.com

'When you come to a fork in the road, take it!'
-Yogi Berra

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EOSMan · Mar 17, 2006

I believe that players will support both analog and digital for at least another 10-15 years. The analog will not be encrypted and use the old video format but the digital will.
Remember, it’s the digital output that has movie makers worried.

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Any personal attacks from me are a temporary lack of judgment on my part and I apologize before it happens.

Daniella68313 · Mar 17, 2006

jahoojoe said:
I dont think this is much different. And this isnt going to happen
overnight. I have already bought my HDCP compliant monitor. And it
isnt needed for about a year. I think the retail companies figure
if they start getting them out now, by the time they are necessary,
enough people will have them that it will lessen the bang from the
consumers fighting against it.

I think that now is a time where HDTV finaly become affordable. Many many people will buy them now and not sure how many are in deed HDCP compliant.

right now there is a big boom in sale of those TV. I don,t think everybody will have a HDCP compliant TV in one year..a TV last a long time..a long long time.

jahoojoe said:
Brandon

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jahoojoe · Mar 17, 2006

Daniella said:
jahoojoe said:

I dont think this is much different. And this isnt going to happen
overnight. I have already bought my HDCP compliant monitor. And it
isnt needed for about a year. I think the retail companies figure
if they start getting them out now, by the time they are necessary,
enough people will have them that it will lessen the bang from the
consumers fighting against it.

Click to expand...

I think that now is a time where HDTV finaly become affordable.
Many many people will buy them now and not sure how many are in
deed HDCP compliant.

right now there is a big boom in sale of those TV. I don,t think
everybody will have a HDCP compliant TV in one year..a TV last a
long time..a long long time.

I will have my Tvs for a long time too. But watch how fast things start to change once the videos are released. People will be buying them left and right.

By the way I noticed you live in Cal. too. Im in the far Northern part. (Redding area).
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Brandon

jahoojoe · Mar 17, 2006

EOSMan said:
I believe that players will support both analog and digital for at
least another 10-15 years. The analog will not be encrypted and use
the old video format but the digital will.
Remember, it’s the digital output that has movie makers worried.

I think you might be right.
Brandon

Daniella68313 · Mar 17, 2006

jahoojoe said:
jahoojoe said:

right now there is a big boom in sale of those TV. I don,t think
everybody will have a HDCP compliant TV in one year..a TV last a
long time..a long long time.

Click to expand...

I will have my Tvs for a long time too. But watch how fast things
start to change once the videos are released. People will be buying
them left and right.

well, as far as I am concerned, my TV is not going anywhere..it stays. and I say...their loss if they can't provide.

I am not worried.

jahoojoe said:
By the way I noticed you live in Cal. too. Im in the far Northern
part. (Redding area).

I am near San Jose. Been to Redding 3 times. Last time was with chains on our tires..there was a big snow fall, all the way to Redding. I also like the bridge a lot.

jahoojoe said:
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Bram Stoker · Mar 17, 2006

This thread should be removed. It has nothing to do with photography equipment or the art of photography. I am going to stop responding. However, I am so so happy for you being so intelligent about all this and sharing it with us on a photography board. Go play with your fancy new monitor.

jahoojoe · Mar 17, 2006

Bram Stoker said:
This thread should be removed. It has nothing to do with
photography equipment or the art of photography. I am going to stop
responding. However, I am so so happy for you being so intelligent
about all this and sharing it with us on a photography board. Go
play with your fancy new monitor.

No one is forcing you to read it either.
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Brandon

bkbrod · Mar 17, 2006

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/03/14/sony_blu_ray_analogue_image_constraint/

a little update

mikerice · Mar 17, 2006

Please enlighten us.
My LCD "Trinitron" in my DSLR will go bad soon?

Bruce Miller · Mar 17, 2006

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jahoojoe · Mar 17, 2006

mikerice said:
Please enlighten us.
My LCD "Trinitron" in my DSLR will go bad soon?

TV or Monitor. Just a heads up, thats all. If you would like to know more, you can research, as trying to explain it to people in this thread obviously upsets certain sensitive individuals, but I do urge people to learn more about this if they plan on purchasing a new tv soon, or monitor. That is all from me. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion though, it is a very alarming thing that is starting. Just google HDCP and browse through the first 10 or 20 hits.
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Brandon

mmiikkee · Mar 17, 2006

Sean Rose said:
Of all the personal
freedoms being restricted in the USA now, your HD TV signal should
probably be down on your list of the ones to get upset over.

lol, did you check you were allowed to write this?

mmiikkee

Daniella68313 · Mar 18, 2006

mikerice said:
Please enlighten us.
My LCD "Trinitron" in my DSLR will go bad soon?

let me guess..soon the digital camera manufacturer will implement HDCP in the camera and you will have to have HDCP monitor, graphic card and what ever HDCP or else you will see just a black screen instead of your images?

just joking of course but who knows what's next, with Nikon already encoding some part of their RAW..you never know.

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nimnar · Mar 18, 2006

Content companies have already lost the fight. Any new standard will be cracked quickly. Anything displayed on a monitor can be copied straight off the monitor into MPEG4 and I don't see how this is ever going to be stopped.

Someone I know at Microsoft Research even explained a watermarking technique they're working on that they hope could frustrate this kind of copying. He says everytime they send a prototype to their cosultant-pirates it comes back without the watermark.

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Nimnar

Gibe · Mar 18, 2006

You'd better find out what is the technology you are talking about!

http://www.lafkon.net/tc/

http://www.againsttcpa.com/

spurscar · Mar 18, 2006

Daniella said:
mikerice said:

Please enlighten us.
My LCD "Trinitron" in my DSLR will go bad soon?

Click to expand...

let me guess..soon the digital camera manufacturer will implement
HDCP in the camera and you will have to have HDCP monitor, graphic
card and what ever HDCP or else you will see just a black screen
instead of your images?

just joking of course but who knows what's next, with Nikon already
encoding some part of their RAW..you never know.

HDCP contacts and glasses... you can't see your camera screen or TV without them... just a scrambled picture. :-D

I loved the part in this thread where the OP said "That's what the salesman said..." SO.... he got talked out of a $300 monitor and instead bought what... a more expensive monitor I'm guessing?

jahoojoe · Mar 18, 2006

spurscar said:
I loved the part in this thread where the OP said "That's what the
salesman said..." SO.... he got talked out of a $300 monitor and
instead bought what... a more expensive monitor I'm guessing?

Actually I returned the monitor that they sold me at such a great price. They conveniately failed to mention it wont play movies when the new technology hits the market. Thats why monitors are so cheap right now. There are only a few HDCP compatible ones out right now. The Gayeway 21" is the one I just bought, and it is worth every penny.
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