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Nikon Should Punish Dealers Who Sell Short Suppy Items on eBay
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The mobbed up Brooklyn companies that pull bait and switches, I doubt they're getting many D200s or 18-200s, are they?
If they are, if some shady dealers are buying up massive numbers of D200s and putting them on Ebay at inflated prices then Nikon should by all means look into it and divert the shipments to legimate dealers like B&H.
But I just don't think this is happening.
If they are, if some shady dealers are buying up massive numbers of D200s and putting them on Ebay at inflated prices then Nikon should by all means look into it and divert the shipments to legimate dealers like B&H.
But I just don't think this is happening.
Ken Phillips
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Don't buy from them. That's how the market works.
In many countries, the manufacturer cannot tell a dealer how much (or little) to sell an item for. They can, however, govern the advertisement of the price, and they do.
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In many countries, the manufacturer cannot tell a dealer how much (or little) to sell an item for. They can, however, govern the advertisement of the price, and they do.
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markCultured Vulture
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If a company wanted to, cut or eliminate their allocation of product. However, if someone wants to pay a premium price from a vendor that is taking advantage of a short supply, so be it. Thats their choice. I won't.
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ron_9
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Good analogy but it this case cameta isn't requiring you to buy anything but camera. Like someone said the 18-200 is in the same boat and it's gonna go the way of the 24-120, probably even faster(did wish the 120 would have had more punch). I could see paying roughly 10-15% more for the body but to pay 20-30% for an unproven and one that is very unlikely to be a good lens in the 11x range-------well, right!!------------ron s.
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What happened to the free market. If Nikon tried this I would charge them with price fixing. (I assume your intent is to keep the price at MSRP or lower)
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Cultured Vulture
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Thanks for correcting my math. I was thinking 20% of the price. If the going rate in SoCal is $4.00 a gallon for bottled water, so be it. My point was in a time of emergency, they should not, and in most places are not, allowed to quintuple the price. I agree with you that luxury items in short supply are not the same thing. If somebody wants something bad enough to pay a premium, thats their choice. I won't. Of course I got my D200 in B&H's first batch. (and it does not exhibit banding in any reasonable situation, even the overexposed light bulb test.)
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ron_9
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that's true but what is "list price" , usually nothing but an over inflated selling price to show how much less they are able to sell and still make a profit, supposely letting the customer feel good about his/her bargain. Most of the time a grossly overinlated figure at that. In this case it's Nikon's price point tht says don't sell below this or we won't sell to you(now that is the point that's on the edge) Got the hots--- go spend extra, got common sense-then wait awhile. Take respondsibility for our own action, don't blame the vendor in this case for putting out a good product. By the way, I have always found Cameta to be a good ebay company, and have purchased 2-3,000 from them and at prices lower than I could find anywhere else-------ron s.
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R Parenteau
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Anyone, anybusiness is unethical if they sell merchandise above the manufacturers suggested retail. I am not saying it isn't done. It is just unethical whether the product is a luxury item or a neccessity. As far as essential life items, it goes beyond unethical to unlawful. If you purposefully endanger someones life, you are commiting a crime.
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ron_9
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Not unethical, not a crime, We fight wars--that's unethical-------ron s.
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GaryK
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Markets set prices, companies don't. I don't wish to discuss politics, but consider this scenario:
Let's say there are people willing to pay $2500 for a new D200 (not saying that is the market price, but just as an example.) As a dealer, I'm forced to sell new product to a consumer for $1700 (note: just as an example, I'm a physician, not a camera dealer). He then puts it on eBay and gets $2500 for it. The consumer may well have made more profit on this item than the dealer, who has to pay for his store, warranty issues, etc.
This is EXACTLY what happens in some segments of the exotic car market. A new Ferrari F430 Spider has a market value anywhere from 80K to 100K greater than the MSRP. But a dealer caught selling above MSRP will have his allocation dinged by Ferrari. So sham sales are set up, the car is titled, and resold as used. Now they get market price.
The market will continue to rule, whether anyone likes it or not.
Let's say there are people willing to pay $2500 for a new D200 (not saying that is the market price, but just as an example.) As a dealer, I'm forced to sell new product to a consumer for $1700 (note: just as an example, I'm a physician, not a camera dealer). He then puts it on eBay and gets $2500 for it. The consumer may well have made more profit on this item than the dealer, who has to pay for his store, warranty issues, etc.
This is EXACTLY what happens in some segments of the exotic car market. A new Ferrari F430 Spider has a market value anywhere from 80K to 100K greater than the MSRP. But a dealer caught selling above MSRP will have his allocation dinged by Ferrari. So sham sales are set up, the car is titled, and resold as used. Now they get market price.
The market will continue to rule, whether anyone likes it or not.
Cultured Vulture
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If that is the case, and I will take your word for it. If I was Ferrari, I would raise the price I charge the dealer by $80K to $100K. Why let the dealer reap the benefits.
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Backdoctor
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baseless...
then better report the car dealerships that are marking up new models over msrp like BMW for the M6, and most any toyota dealership....
where do people come up with such nonsense..
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then better report the car dealerships that are marking up new models over msrp like BMW for the M6, and most any toyota dealership....
where do people come up with such nonsense..
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GaryK
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I have no idea how Ferrari sets their prices, and they go nowhere but up. This is in fact what goes on. Most dealers will sell onlly to their established client base; my dealership essentially sold out of an entire four year production run sending letters to its clients asking them to send in a deposit for the car if interested. There is an unwritten "rule" that should the customer want to resell the car, that he will do it through the dealership and therefore allow the dealer to participate in further profits. There's no real way to enforce that, however, but if the customer ever wants ANOTHER car in the future, he'll abide by it. Most dealerships want to keep their cars and customer base local.
I'm a little miffed at Nikon for putting out a gimmicky VR superzoom/techie fetish item and not a 16mm/2.8 dx prime.
ron_9 wrote:
Like someone said the 18-200 is in the same
ron_9 wrote:
Like someone said the 18-200 is in the same
jb_va2001
Veteran Member
Dan,
Even if Nikon was punishing those who price gouge - it would be far too easy for them to hide their identity behind an anonymous ebay screen name.
It's unrealistic and unreasonable to put the burden on Nikon. It's a free market economy driven by supply & demand. If you don't like the behavior of the retailer, cast your economic votes elsewhere.
Cheers,
JB
Cheers,
JB
Even if Nikon was punishing those who price gouge - it would be far too easy for them to hide their identity behind an anonymous ebay screen name.
It's unrealistic and unreasonable to put the burden on Nikon. It's a free market economy driven by supply & demand. If you don't like the behavior of the retailer, cast your economic votes elsewhere.
Cheers,
JB
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Jeff Folkins
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Nik wrote:
I'm not sure what are you against in my post? There are no words "this country" in my post. If you mean to make such accusations you should be then more carefull how you make them.
Three of the first four responders in this thread wrote:
"what made this country great economically"
"what built this country "
" to run the country... Or I'll have to emigrate" (Nik's)
without ever specifying which country they were talking about.
It was of course obvious that they meant the U.S. I find it obnoxious that everyone keeps assuming that the U.S. is the default country of origin for everyone unless they specifically say otherwise.
This U.S. centeredness phenomena isn't something peculiar to just this thread, it comes into play constantly on this forum and I am sad to say in our U.S. society in general. I love the U.S. but we have to be more sensitive to the rest of world or the resentment against the U.S. that already exists will only get worse. Nik1024, I don't mean to pick on you, I just want to make people aware of this issue.
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I'm not sure what are you against in my post? There are no words "this country" in my post. If you mean to make such accusations you should be then more carefull how you make them.
Three of the first four responders in this thread wrote:
"what made this country great economically"
"what built this country "
" to run the country... Or I'll have to emigrate" (Nik's)
without ever specifying which country they were talking about.
It was of course obvious that they meant the U.S. I find it obnoxious that everyone keeps assuming that the U.S. is the default country of origin for everyone unless they specifically say otherwise.
The offense, as I said, is in the assumption that one is always referring to the U.S. unless saying otherwise.
This U.S. centeredness phenomena isn't something peculiar to just this thread, it comes into play constantly on this forum and I am sad to say in our U.S. society in general. I love the U.S. but we have to be more sensitive to the rest of world or the resentment against the U.S. that already exists will only get worse. Nik1024, I don't mean to pick on you, I just want to make people aware of this issue.
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Irwin
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If you don't like the price, don't buyit. It's pretty simple.
DonAvebury
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Tyrants of the world agree.
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