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Nikon Should Punish Dealers Who Sell Short Suppy Items on eBay

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J Mankila said:
nik1024 said:
J Mankila said:
That is one heck of an exaggeration, I know... And I don't mean to
insult anyone. But you've got to see the immorality in trying to
take advantage from other peoples ignorance and impatience! Yes,
money is a wonderful thing, but aren't there other things in life
more valuable?? Like fairness and courtesy??
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It is very moral that if I have money I can buy D200 for more but
right now as opposed to hunting it and waiting for weeks or months.
It's just very, very moral. That's the way it should be.
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You misunderstood my text... The question of morality was directed
at the seller, while the question of ignorance and impatience at
the buyer :) Don't take it so seriously, though - I know I was
itching to get a D200 myself too, but I tried to stay calm about it
and save hundreds of euros...
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No I did understand you correctly. And while I actually was able to get D200 for regular price, I'm grateful there are sellers who can provide it for me overnight for more money if I happen to need it. As well as everything else. If that happens, I won't feel ignorant but yes impatient. It's my money I'll pay then and it'll be my choice to buy now for more or wait and buy later for less. I like choices. Thanks to all moral sellers who give me choices.
 
Nikon is punishing customers who are buying cheaper, but same quality grey market by refusing to service that equipment.

Why not in return punish the dealers who are overpricing? Or doesn't Nikon care as long as they make the money?
 
Right.

Anyone remember gas lines?

I'd have rather paid $3/gal. and not waited in a line than paid $2/gal. "list" and wait in line for an hour or more.

People should have a choice when buying scarce consumer goods. If $2k gets me a D200 right now rather than weeks from now, then there's no reason not to pay that price and no reason not to sell it at that price.

Look, if the dealers don't do it, the buyers will. There were plenty of people reselling D200s right after they were released. Personally, I'd rather the dealer make a few hundred extra bucks than some guy who just wants to flip the camera.
 
srogouski said:
What I'm amazed at is the way the 18-200 is going for over 1000
dollars on ebay.

Wow. More than 1000 dollars for a plastic dx superzoom that extends
about three feet from the barrel when you're zooming and will, as a
result, not be as durable as some other lenses.

And you STILL believe in fairies? Tried to buy one on ebay?
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Jeff Folkins said:
"this country"?????

This is a Brittish based web forum with many countries represented.
Exactly which country are you referring to?

Dear all non-USA forum members, I apologize for the constant
assumptions that keep being made by US members that everyone on
this site lives in the US. Some of us know that we aren't the only
ones in the world.

--
Jeff at http://photof.net or http://folkins.net
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'Cheese-eating surrender monkeys' of the world, unite. Why should we be in thrall to an eejit who calls France 'Franceland'!
 
DonAvebury said:
Look, if the dealers don't do it, the buyers will. There were
plenty of people reselling D200s right after they were released.
Personally, I'd rather the dealer make a few hundred extra bucks
than some guy who just wants to flip the camera.
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Absolutely. I don't have an issue with d200 in particular, but if I did I would really hate to buy it from some JoeDoe on ebay. I would rather have B&H to have and option of more expensive d200 available right now or cheaper available "nobody knows when". If I'm rich (nice idea, not true unfortunately) and I don't care about some $300, but I really hate to deal with ebay scammers.

That's how corruption starts, btw. If I'm that imaginary rich guy, what do I do? I go into nearest BestBuy or CircuitCity and find some young salesperson who agrees for $100 to make sure he buys the first d200 available and gives it to me. The only way to stop such corruption is to allow me to do it legally without bribing anyone.
 
Ha.

I bought a New In Box MB-D100 vertical grip for the D100. It cost me $40. Again, this is a brand new grip at about 1/3 the "list" price.

So, should I complain if someone sells another item for 10 or 15% above list? I don't believe so.
 
Cultured Vulture said:
No offense was intended.
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Some was taken, though. A misunderstanding on my part, that's all :)
Cultured Vulture said:
Having lived in several different
areas of the world I have learned not to generalize. However you do
sound like a person I would enjoy knowing.
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[OFFTOPIC]

Thanks, I take that as a compliment. I have very little life experience, but I know that there are wonderful people everywhere around the world and it would be terribly wrong for anyone not to think so because of persistent prejudices towards nationalities. Email and internet bring people together in a way that is quite remarkable even on a historical scale. The downside is that I know there are people I've really grown to like and depend on, and I have yet to even see them with my own eyes...
Cultured Vulture said:
Them Brits act like they invented the
language. LOL
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I always thought they did! But I know better now ;)

Janne Mankila
 
nik1024 said:
That's how corruption starts, btw. If I'm that imaginary rich guy,
what do I do? I go into nearest BestBuy or CircuitCity and find
some young salesperson who agrees for $100 to make sure he buys the
first d200 available and gives it to me. The only way to stop such
corruption is to allow me to do it legally without bribing anyone.
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I still think it's not right for a photo shop to pull the cameras from their shelves and put it on ebay with 150% price tag... They're asking more money and giving less warranty (if you by via eBay, you don't get the one-year-warranty Nikon offers - am I right?). I'd rather go to the store and pay that extra $$$ there...

Janne Mankila
 
Jeff Folkins said:
"this country"?????
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I'm not sure what are you against in my post? There are no words "this country" in my post. If you mean to make such accusations you should be then more carefull how you make them.
Jeff Folkins said:
This is a Brittish based web forum with many countries represented.
Exactly which country are you referring to?
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I didn't really refer to any particular country. If you meant my joke about the OP "running the country", then I meant same coutry I and the OP live in, I don't know how is that offensive to anyone.
Jeff Folkins said:
Dear all non-USA forum members, I apologize for the constant
assumptions that keep being made by US members that everyone on
this site lives in the US. Some of us know that we aren't the only
ones in the world.
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If you mean my assumption that the OP and I live in the same country, then I did make it because it's in OP's profile. I just don't know how is that offensive to anyone :). I am aware of other countries. I even like them :)
 
J Mankila said:
nik1024 said:
That's how corruption starts, btw. If I'm that imaginary rich guy,
what do I do? I go into nearest BestBuy or CircuitCity and find
some young salesperson who agrees for $100 to make sure he buys the
first d200 available and gives it to me. The only way to stop such
corruption is to allow me to do it legally without bribing anyone.
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I still think it's not right for a photo shop to pull the cameras
from their shelves and put it on ebay with 150% price tag...
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I don't personally think in terms of right and wrong. Only legal and illegal. I may not always agree with how the government defines it, but I'm not going to fight it or even spend time thinking about it, so I just go with it.
J Mankila said:
They're asking more money and giving less warranty (if you by via
eBay, you don't get the one-year-warranty Nikon offers - am I
right?).
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I guess it depends. If you buy from legitimate place you may get normal warranty I guess. If you buy from a scammer then you may get no warranty or even no camera :). I never buy on ebay. Although it's only my personal preference, I don't think it's bad or immoral.
J Mankila said:
I'd rather go to the store and pay that extra $$$ there...
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That's exactly what I wrote in my previous post that I'd rather buy for more money from reputable store than from ebay people. I actually did that with my Panasonic Plasma TV, it was a new and hot model in short supply. I found the retail store who had it for $500 less but was out of stock with no info when it'll have them. So I went to another store who had them avaible for $500 more but right away. I actually bought that and I was happy I could do that.
 
Not all ebayers selling D200s are scammers. There are plenty of legiitimate dealers on ebay. The legiitimate ones have been here for a long time (think Cameta Camera for example). The facts are that if the dealer is an authorized Nikon reseller, then you get the warranty. If the seller bought it early from any source and puts it up on ebay to score some profit, then the warranty is no good to you...only to the original buyer (this being the seller in this case.) That is Nikon's general policy (which I think stinks). So anyone who just says "I wouldn't buy from anyone on ebay" is not really tuned in to what is legit and what is not. There is a touch of ignorance in many of the posts and replies on this and any forum, so be careful what you take for gospel.
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Tim Kriebel
Digital Photo Magic
http://www.tkdpmagic.com
 
That's the core of this post....Supply and Demand. Ask yourself....if I had twenty 18-200 VR lenses, what would I sell them for since they are scarce......if you said regular street price........I'd say you were smoking something.
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Tim Kriebel
Digital Photo Magic
http://www.tkdpmagic.com
 
This post is not about illegal price gouging. If you think it is you need to revisit your economics education (assuming you got some along the way).

It reminds me of one of Clinton's advisors during his first campaign....telling him to sell the idea..."It about the economy stupid!". IN this case ...It's about supply and demand stupid! (and I mean no direct disrespect...just offering an analogy).
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Tim Kriebel
Digital Photo Magic
http://www.tkdpmagic.com
 
..if you are an actual company selling products, you must tell a customer that you are selling the product over list price. Nothing Nikon can do about it. If it is an actual company, not an individual, they should be reported to the appropriate department of the U.S. Government if they are selling over list price without stating so.
 
I think you should count yourselves lucky in the USA - here in Europe (and Australia, in my experience) we generally pay up to twice the amount you pay in the USA for the same Nikon equipment. So even 'so called' inflated prices seem reasonable to us. I'm after a 18-200 VR here in UK and have been told to expect it in June/July if I'm lucky !!

As an aside I generally buy my gear in the USA when on Biz trips from Europe.
 
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