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Hello all,
First of all I have to tell that I'm a perfect newbie in the printing bussiness.

Being tired of the eternal wars with the photo lab owners I decided to buy myself a photo printer.

I am just a hobbyst and I will prin primarly my own work and casually some wedding photos for my friends.
After a very short study I opted for the HP 8750.

I need some advices related how to use efficientely this printers, which inks to buy and whats the best paper. Related to paper I have to say that i sincerely dislike the glossy one.
Any advice wellcome.

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Although having "only" an HP 8450 I will try to reply to your post.

I have been using exclusively HP inks and HP papers on the good advice given to me by people who seem to know a lot about printing. The Vivera inks on HP paper give outstanding colour and contrast. If you don't like glossy surfaces (why not?) the satin matte variety should be OK. Stick with HP Premium or, better, Premium Plus paper. They will give you long life prints lasting at least 83 years and much more when protected from sunlight. B&W prints will be superb, too.

HTH.

Cheers!
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How is the ink consumtion on this printer, should I use 3rd party papers.
How resistant to water or humid enviroment the print is?

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You wouldn't want to have this printer and use third party inks.
Third party media may or may not be of interest.

The printer with the ink and paper combination give very good durability behind glass or in photo albums.

I suggest you use Satin or SoftGloss for all wedding photos colour or B&W. This is a robust media that doesn't scratch, holds excellent contrast and basically is perfect for portraits and social photography.

To protect prints from water splashes you'll want to apply a light coating of spray varnish. Premier Art shield is one that is good.

If you do use third party media that are ceramic smooth papers sometimes called rapid dry> they are more waterproof yet not near as durable.

The only acceptable third party media I know are Ilford Classic Peearl and Glossy, Epson ColorLife, and Kodak Ultima that are all archival in combination with these types of inks.
See my site, also here for movies etc on using the HP and ICC color management,
ICC and HP printer pages
http://www.neilsnape.com

Custom profiling Remote Profiles PDF, movies, charts, and info at
http://homepage.mac.com/neil_snape/

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Ok, I understand that the prints are not waterproof.

But I hope that this does not mean that I can ruin a print by touching it with a wet finger?
Or, do I have this risk?

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Neil,

Is there anywhere on the HP site from where I can download some profiles for the HP 8750 (or others that use Vivera dye inks)? I've searched the site but not found any.

I'm thinking of switching to an HP dye-based printer after getting fed up with metamerism problems with my Epson 2100 and the UC pigments. Before deciding, I want to look at 3-D gamut plots etc. for various printers.

TIA

Alan
 
slyves said:
Ok, I understand that the prints are not waterproof.
But I hope that this does not mean that I can ruin a print by
touching it with a wet finger?
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Yes! To test it, I did just that with a sample print sent to me by HP, and it caused a noticeable smudge.
slyves said:
Or, do I have this risk?
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You do. While the prints made with the HP 8750 are beautiful, you have to be very careful to let them dry for a while and not touch them as they come out of the printer. Not only are the HP prints not waterproof, but they are not even water resistant. This is the reason I bought the Epson R1800 after considering several others including the HP 8750, the HP DJ30, and the Epson R2400. If you check out the Wilhelm Image Research site, you will see that most of the Epson prints made on Epson papers offer some water and moisture resistance. I sell my prints, and want my customers to have the best and most abuse-proof prints possible.

Of course, either of these printers have great output, but the HP prints must be handled with more care -- no wet fingers!

Cheers!
Imagemaker18
 
Yes don't try to have wet fingers and handle prints, neither HP nor photographic prints.

Yet I can't believe the number of Epson users who fail or are oblivious to the fact that pigment printers including the new HP 9180 and the future Canon piggies are easily scratched. The Satin I use has never presented a problem when handled roughly, the prints are a lot more robust than any other media on any printer I know of, but yes they are not water proof or even water projection resistant at all. I have never had a smudge on a Satin print and for that matter Glossy has not had any smears or problems dues to handling. Direct water is out though, and for that the HP 9180 is a better choice. Or for really drenched hands too or humidity causing water condensation etc but with normal handling precautions the same as traditional photos I see the Satin as robust. If you want to abuse the prints then coat them or choose a pigment printer, or at least a ceramic media that is much more waterfast.
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Alan Rew said:
Neil,

Is there anywhere on the HP site from where I can download some
profiles for the HP 8750 (or others that use Vivera dye inks)? I've
searched the site but not found any.
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No they are not on the site but I could send you the canned ones if you like.
Alan Rew said:
I'm thinking of switching to an HP dye-based printer after getting
fed up with metamerism problems with my Epson 2100 and the UC
pigments. Before deciding, I want to look at 3-D gamut plots etc.
for various printers.
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The 21/200 with QTR for B&W's or Image Print is quite good. It's more the older drivers and UC that didn't completely fit the bill of excellence. The new Epsons are good though without rip's or custom profiles.

The HP Vivera dyes are not free from metamerism neither, and you will see the Satin have times of failure too. The glossy is very stable though. Gloss uniformity is very good on the HP dyes, or for that matter the HP pigments too as I see slightly less gloss uniformity on the 9180 than the Epson K3 printers.

One place that has gamut comparisons is Drycreek photo. You'll probably find some 8750 profiles there too.
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Thanks Neil, I've emailed you off-list at your mac.com address requesting copies of the canned profiles.
TIA
Alan
 
You'll need about two grey photo cartridges per set of photo colour and tricolour cartridge even for colour prints as the printer uses the greys for colour shading. That will take you through at least 40 to 50 A4 prints. That will make about 20 to 25 A3s on your 8750.

The prints are not waterproof but withstand handling with reasonably dry hands. It's no worse than prints on photographic (silver halide) paper.

Cheers!
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Hans H. Siegrist
 
Ok folks, thanks for the advices.

But one more please. The dealer who provides me printer knows even less about it than myself. So please tell me what ink cartridges uses this printers. If you have the codes it will be even better! I need this info because I want to order some cartridge stocks also....

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dear cgeek--

I was wondering if there is a matte paper for the HP 8750 that provides a good image AND has long life?

is there a matte you can recommend?

Thanks,
colourgeek said:
You wouldn't want to have this printer and use third party inks.
Third party media may or may not be of interest.
The printer with the ink and paper combination give very good
durability behind glass or in photo albums.
I suggest you use Satin or SoftGloss for all wedding photos colour
or B&W. This is a robust media that doesn't scratch, holds
excellent contrast and basically is perfect for portraits and
social photography.
To protect prints from water splashes you'll want to apply a light
coating of spray varnish. Premier Art shield is one that is good.
If you do use third party media that are ceramic smooth papers
sometimes called rapid dry> they are more waterproof yet not near
as durable.
The only acceptable third party media I know are Ilford Classic
Peearl and Glossy, Epson ColorLife, and Kodak Ultima that are all
archival in combination with these types of inks.
See my site, also here for movies etc on using the HP and ICC color
management,
ICC and HP printer pages
http://www.neilsnape.com

Custom profiling Remote Profiles PDF, movies, charts, and info at
http://homepage.mac.com/neil_snape/

--
Neil Snape photographer Paris
http://www.neilsnape.com
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Yes Hahnemuhle PhotoRag preferrably 188 g/m2 as the 308 groans in the transport.

There may be profiles on the Hahnemuhle site , and there are some for these papers on the HP site for the DJ printers but they should work for the 8750 or close enough too.
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Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
 
colourgeek said:
Yes Hahnemuhle PhotoRag preferrably 188 g/m2 as the 308 groans in
the transport.
There may be profiles on the Hahnemuhle site , and there are some
for these papers on the HP site for the DJ printers but they should
work for the 8750 or close enough too.
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Neil Snape photographer Paris
http://www.neilsnape.com
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Should the Hahnemuhle PhotoRag also work with the HP8450? How would you compare the archival quality vs. HP Satin? Also, what would the difference in image quality and texture be compared to the HP Satin.

Tried to google the Hahnemuhle website, cannot find it. Anyone have a link?

Thanks

Mike
 
The 8750 uses the following HP cartridges (at least in the US): 102,97,101. The 102 is the photo gray cartridge; the 97 is a tri-color cartridge; and the 101 is the photo blue cartridge. You should be able to order these from HP or pick them up at your local Staples or Office Max store or CompUSA. If you intend to print plain text with your printer you can swap out the 102 for the straight black 96. So the 8750 can also be used as a plain office printer if you need it with the 96 ink cartridge.
 
One more thing, if you get this printer print using the relative colorimetric rendering intent. This gives you the most natural looking colors.
 
And one more thing, is this printer capable of doing panoramic prints?
If yes, how and which kind of paper should I use?
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