D200 (Using your SB-800 off camera) Help!!!

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I'm new to Nikon gear. Despite reading the manual, I cannot quite figure out how to use my SB-800 off camera with my D200. I want to mount the flash unit on a bracket above my camera. I would like the built in flash on the D200 to trigger the SB-800. I can't seem to get it to work. Can someone break down exactly what I need to do in camera and on the flash unit to make this work. I assume I do not have to have a sync cord to make it work. Please help!

Thanks!
MB
 
You need to set the SB 800 as the "Remote" and the D200's built in flash as the "Master". To do this, go into the "Commander Mode" on the D200 (page 61 & 63). Under "Built In" "Mode" select "TTL" or "Manual" to activate both the built in flash and the SB 800. Set it to "-" (which is off) to only activate the SB 800. In this mode the preflashes from the built in flash will activate the remote SB 800. Go to page 76 in the SB 800 manual. This explains how to set the SB 800 as the remote flash. Basically, you want to go into the menu and set the SB 800 as the "Remote". Exit the menu and select "Channel A" and "Group 3". This will allow the flashes to communicate with each other. Also, when the SB 800 is in Remote mode, in the menu you'll be able to activate the audible beeps. These give you audible indication of correct exposure. You will only see this setting when the SB 800 is in the Remote mode.

Good Luck!

Sube
 
when I pres the SEL button for 2 sec. it is supposed to take me to the screen that will allow me to choose remote. I can't get to this screen to enter this option. Where am I messing up?
 
The menu system on the SB800 is possibly the worst designed thing ever designed apart from those silly kettles with the handle on the top which make your hands get burnt by the steam.

It takes practise and perserverance to actually change an option on the SB800. Training course for changing menu options are probably available somewhere on the net. I managed it myself by trial and error and offer FREE courses to those in need.

If you are a neophyte SB800 option changer I suggest you try the following instructions as a basic platform from which you can launch into all sorts of menu changing options in the future if you're willing to put in the effort and time.

1) Take the SB800 off the camera as there's no need to complicate matters or confuse the poor little SB800.

2) Turn it on. This step is relatively trouble free. The "on/off" button often does what it is supposed to do and usually at the time you want it to.

3) Carefully, and this is the zen part, ONLY PRESS THE "SEL" BIT OF THE BUTTON. Some have offered advice such as put your whole thumb over the entire control and gently press down. Other say use the tip of your thumb or even a pencil. You will have to find your own "way". All SB800 users struggle at this point but after a while, though it never becomes second nature, you find you are generally able to get the button selected correctly on the same day as you wanted to take your shot. Hold it for a couple of seconds. Try not to breath in or out!

4) Should four totally incomprehensible squares appear on the screen together with some text on the right you know you have successfully completed stage 1

5) I know this is depressing but you're going to have to press the "SEL" button again. Take a few deep breaths and possibly a large scotch before attempting this. If you find one of the squares that wasn't black suddenly becomes black then you have have blown it. You will need to navigate back to the top right black square by NOT using the "SEL" part of the button and try again. It is often quicker and cheaper to just throw the SB800 away at this point and buy another one instead.

6) If not much else happens apart from one of the unhighlighted bits of text on the right suddenly becomes highlighted you are well on the way to completing your first SB800 option change!!!!!!

7) If you press the up and down part of the "SEL" button you can highlight the right bit of text. The one you want is "REMOTE". Highlight it!

8) A lot of people fail at this point and become Trapist Monks instead. According to the manual, you have to go through the whole "press the SEL button" lottery again. However, I HAVE A BETTER SOLUTION! It works every time. Just press the "on/off" button briefly!!! Your option will be selected and you will be returned to the start and trumpets will blow and angels will sing.

9) Send a letter to Nikon telling them how cr@p the interface on the SB800 is.

Regards
--
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This reply was brilliant!

But I must correct you - the on/off button only works -sometimes-.

I finished a long shoot (about two hours) with three SB800s. When I was done, one of the the three would not shut off. I thought I'd have to send it in for repair.

However, it appears that the menuing system goes nutso when the batteries are low. Replacing the existing batteries didn't help. Putting new batteries in restored its natively strange functionality.

Have you also noted that in different modes you get different options - some of which don't make any sense for the mode you're in? You can get the menu with a black box where it should allow you change Remote mode.

On/off two or three times usually gets it back.

Great flash, worse menu system I've ever seen!

You nailed it, indeed! :-)
The menu system on the SB800 is possibly the worst designed thing
ever designed apart from those silly kettles with the handle on the
top which make your hands get burnt by the steam.

It takes practise and perserverance to actually change an option on
the SB800. Training course for changing menu options are
probably available somewhere on the net. I managed it myself by
trial and error and offer FREE courses to those in need.

If you are a neophyte SB800 option changer I suggest you try the
following instructions as a basic platform from which you can
launch into all sorts of menu changing options in the future if
you're willing to put in the effort and time.

1) Take the SB800 off the camera as there's no need to complicate
matters or confuse the poor little SB800.

2) Turn it on. This step is relatively trouble free. The "on/off"
button often does what it is supposed to do and usually at the time
you want it to.

3) Carefully, and this is the zen part, ONLY PRESS THE "SEL" BIT
OF THE BUTTON. Some have offered advice such as put your whole
thumb over the entire control and gently press down. Other say use
the tip of your thumb or even a pencil. You will have to find your
own "way". All SB800 users struggle at this point but after a
while, though it never becomes second nature, you find you are
generally able to get the button selected correctly on the same day
as you wanted to take your shot. Hold it for a couple of seconds.
Try not to breath in or out!

4) Should four totally incomprehensible squares appear on the
screen together with some text on the right you know you have
successfully completed stage 1

5) I know this is depressing but you're going to have to press the
"SEL" button again. Take a few deep breaths and possibly a large
scotch before attempting this. If you find one of the squares that
wasn't black suddenly becomes black then you have have blown it.
You will need to navigate back to the top right black square by NOT
using the "SEL" part of the button and try again. It is often
quicker and cheaper to just throw the SB800 away at this point and
buy another one instead.

6) If not much else happens apart from one of the unhighlighted
bits of text on the right suddenly becomes highlighted you are well
on the way to completing your first SB800 option change!!!!!!

7) If you press the up and down part of the "SEL" button you can
highlight the right bit of text. The one you want is "REMOTE".
Highlight it!

8) A lot of people fail at this point and become Trapist Monks
instead. According to the manual, you have to go through the whole
"press the SEL button" lottery again. However, I HAVE A BETTER
SOLUTION! It works every time. Just press the "on/off" button
briefly!!! Your option will be selected and you will be returned
to the start and trumpets will blow and angels will sing.

9) Send a letter to Nikon telling them how cr@p the interface on
the SB800 is.

Regards
--
http://www.photo.net/photos/wheely
--
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Nice reading your instructions.

It has cost me a lot of time before I understood the working of the
four square.
You know the scary part? It took me about three months before I discovered there are a lot more than four squares. Accidently navigating down instead of successfully hitting the "SEL" revealed yet more, utterly unintelligable squares with what look like squashed insects in them. Needless to say, I did not investigate their function.
Hope your profession is "writer".
I wish it was :)

Regards

--
http://www.photo.net/photos/wheely
 
This reply was brilliant!

But I must correct you - the on/off button only works -sometimes-.
I finished a long shoot (about two hours) with three SB800s. When I
was done, one of the the three would not shut off. I thought I'd
have to send it in for repair.
Yes, I have had a few "on/off" issues myself too. However, I still maintain that it is the least confusing and most reliable of the buttons with the possible exception of the modelling light. I've never had issues with that.
Great flash, worse menu system I've ever seen!
Agreed, fantastic flash!

Regards
--
http://www.photo.net/photos/wheely
 
However, I still
maintain that it is the least confusing and most reliable of the
buttons with the possible exception of the modelling light. I've
never had issues with that.
Unless you switch it into the SU-4 remote mode. Then the modelling light button turns into a "don't react to external flashes" thing. That's what the squiggely-line-crossed-out-caravan-on-fire-symbol by the button means. Sweet.
Great flash, worse menu system I've ever seen!
Agreed, fantastic flash!
Agreed, on both terms. The user interface is a complete and utter catastrophy, and messing things up this badly on such a relatively simple unit is just breathtaking. Imagine how the cameras would be to use if the same people who the designed this mess were to design the interface of the cameras themselves.

The results can't be argued with however, although I'm still slightly irritated that I still have to muck around in the menus of the D200 to adjust the remote flash output when shooting with manual flash settings. I know, we're spoiled.

 
Much apreciated.

Darrell
The menu system on the SB800 is possibly the worst designed thing
ever designed apart from those silly kettles with the handle on the
top which make your hands get burnt by the steam.

It takes practise and perserverance to actually change an option on
the SB800. Training course for changing menu options are
probably available somewhere on the net. I managed it myself by
trial and error and offer FREE courses to those in need.

If you are a neophyte SB800 option changer I suggest you try the
following instructions as a basic platform from which you can
launch into all sorts of menu changing options in the future if
you're willing to put in the effort and time.

1) Take the SB800 off the camera as there's no need to complicate
matters or confuse the poor little SB800.

2) Turn it on. This step is relatively trouble free. The "on/off"
button often does what it is supposed to do and usually at the time
you want it to.

3) Carefully, and this is the zen part, ONLY PRESS THE "SEL" BIT
OF THE BUTTON. Some have offered advice such as put your whole
thumb over the entire control and gently press down. Other say use
the tip of your thumb or even a pencil. You will have to find your
own "way". All SB800 users struggle at this point but after a
while, though it never becomes second nature, you find you are
generally able to get the button selected correctly on the same day
as you wanted to take your shot. Hold it for a couple of seconds.
Try not to breath in or out!

4) Should four totally incomprehensible squares appear on the
screen together with some text on the right you know you have
successfully completed stage 1

5) I know this is depressing but you're going to have to press the
"SEL" button again. Take a few deep breaths and possibly a large
scotch before attempting this. If you find one of the squares that
wasn't black suddenly becomes black then you have have blown it.
You will need to navigate back to the top right black square by NOT
using the "SEL" part of the button and try again. It is often
quicker and cheaper to just throw the SB800 away at this point and
buy another one instead.

6) If not much else happens apart from one of the unhighlighted
bits of text on the right suddenly becomes highlighted you are well
on the way to completing your first SB800 option change!!!!!!

7) If you press the up and down part of the "SEL" button you can
highlight the right bit of text. The one you want is "REMOTE".
Highlight it!

8) A lot of people fail at this point and become Trapist Monks
instead. According to the manual, you have to go through the whole
"press the SEL button" lottery again. However, I HAVE A BETTER
SOLUTION! It works every time. Just press the "on/off" button
briefly!!! Your option will be selected and you will be returned
to the start and trumpets will blow and angels will sing.

9) Send a letter to Nikon telling them how cr@p the interface on
the SB800 is.

Regards
--
http://www.photo.net/photos/wheely
--
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http://www.pixs.ws/gallery2/Models



Cheers,

Darrell
 
I love step 5. I find myself wanting to repeat it often. I prefer Caol Ila 18.

That notwithstanding, I have found that my SB600 and SB800 retain their settings once you have set them up and powered them down. Therefore, we might want to add an additional step:

-Purchase more flashes to cover every scenario and label each so you only have go through this process once. However, the scotch recommendation in step 5 is a must as often as possible.

Doug
 
Unless you switch it into the SU-4 remote mode. Then the modelling
light button turns into a "don't react to external flashes" thing.
That's what the squiggely-line-crossed-out-caravan-on-fire-symbol
by the button means. Sweet.
Thats class!! No wonder the Nikon SB-800 manual is often considered the worse manual of it's kind...if only they had you to explain the symbols, life would have been much easier ;)
Thanks for the heads up on the "extra" modelling light button function :)

Cheers
 

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