Makinations
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What is the difference in color gamut?
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HP introduces new pigment printer...
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colourgeek
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All I will say is think like the Gallois as the world will fall on your heads soon enough.
Yet back to competitive printers. Image quality the Epson is really nice. The HP has it's own character. It's not the same. It has equal density blacks, can print with all 3 blacks at the same time yet the pigments are different in size and character so that equals different. Glossy printer is maybe slightly better on the HP. I suppose I'll have to make a write up on all the details that I would normally prefer to leave to Oliver.
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colourgeek
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Yes but not extra heavyweights. I tried and it does it any anything . Already printed on Vellum and many more. Thick media goes in the top.
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colourgeek
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They are quite large, around 2.5X the size of the 2400 carts. Pricing hasn't been released but the ballpark figures assure economical use. The HP team told me it was 27ml but they are a conservative company.
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colourgeek
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Sounds like Oliver (whom btw I hold in the highest regard) has had the printer much longer than I.
I love the stochastic dots and the long tonal range. The Dmax is comparable to the Epson K3 and an even smoother transition is possible on MaxDetail. Please note the printer is still in final tweaks, so allow me to pester the HP folk to make it better before it ships. They are ALL carbon blacks so for purists.....
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colourgeek
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Actually Joe, HP was the first to use pigments starting in 1993 or so in inkjets. The were in CAD machines for years and in the 5000 and 5500 with exceptional life for years before Epson. What is new is for HP is the photographic repro rather than signage. Canon also had pigments for signage printers for more than a couple of years too. Going with pigments is not submission and the dye printers still produce excellent results. In fact I saw the little Epson dye and it's really amazing. Not lightfast though but shows the advantages of dye. I sure am glad that now there is a choice though, which may be do you want your printer with unnecessary head cleanings or not sir?
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Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
colourgeek
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The cartridge are going to be reasonably priced.
I'm pretty sure that Qimage will offer a front for pano printing. The driver and plug in software is not done yet so I can't say what is going to make it into the release round but rest assured, I brought up the issue of Canon 9900 frustrating problem of the removed pano features disabled. Hope that our voices are heard.
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I'm pretty sure that Qimage will offer a front for pano printing. The driver and plug in software is not done yet so I can't say what is going to make it into the release round but rest assured, I brought up the issue of Canon 9900 frustrating problem of the removed pano features disabled. Hope that our voices are heard.
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colourgeek
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Yes straight path that opens up to a HP conservative 1.5mm but if you're like me think of trying feats that will risk your print heads but let you attempt media outside of spec. Yes I printed card stock prototype and it was much thicker than 1.5mm.
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colourgeek
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True see my other posts.
It does it at this speed in real time. The print head is 4.25 inch and fires a billion droplets a second on the Express model. The media moves, the head is fixed.
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colourgeek
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First Jeff, the 2400 is a fine printer. No regrets. It's a mature product that is about as good as Epson have done. Same quality through the entire line.Interesting, the pigment wars are definitely heating up. Of course,
all this just had to happen 6 weeks after I buy an Epson 2400
Guess I shoudl have checked the rumor mill before purchasing.
There were no rumours. HP are quiet about these types of things and don't do Epson style of pre-announcments (well I can tell you the Canon is no where close to being ready either) that are 6-9 months ahead of shipping.
I don't have the PDF but that looks like a typo to me too. It does actually print all three blacks depending on media though which the Epson doesn't do at this time. Yet I do have to add a disclaimer> the software is close but not buckled down and anything I say here could change before shipping.
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colourgeek
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I'm keeping my 130. The dyes are perfect for many styles of photo repro. So much so that I succesfully get work due to the rich colors of things like Cognac which the clients are so critical.
It's just another option , this little printers is feature rich , quality pigments and self healing heads so no clogs. If one were to do silly things as I do like too thick a paper stock and the print head was damaged it's a simple plug in print head like the DJ printers.
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colourgeek
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The 8750 has greater gamut in certain areas but overall can print on glossy and so well on the Premium Satin that you'll want to look at what type of prints you do. The 8750 has defacto standard rich tri tone B&W printing, and a very photolab look to the prints ( I think) whereas all pigments take on their own character especially on rag art media. If you want the most photographic look the 8750 is so nice. If you want fine art media you should go pigment printing.
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Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
colourgeek
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I'm fairly knowledgeable on digital colour and in particular printing.
You should know that all the makers actually buy their inks from common suppliers. It's the OEM specs that change everything. There is only a difference in quality if the OEM wanted that yet that is not something Canon, Epson , nor HP would want.
As far as the most recent Epson K3 inks go it's actually in favour of the new HP black inks as they are true carbon thus an assured lightfastness getting to a new record according to WIR> 200+ yrs behind glass and get this 112 bare bulb no glass ie; 3x Epson ultrachromes!
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colourgeek
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This is very true. There is always some colorant to balance the warmth of carbon. The recent K3 inks added much more as users found it too warm.
The HP has a nice balance in my opinion, but the good news is many of the prints that look dead neutral are actuall composite using all inks. The dot is so fine on this printer that you can barely notice the small amount of composite added even with a nice clean loupe.
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Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
The HP has a nice balance in my opinion, but the good news is many of the prints that look dead neutral are actuall composite using all inks. The dot is so fine on this printer that you can barely notice the small amount of composite added even with a nice clean loupe.
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Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
colourgeek
Senior Member
Very reasonable advice given.
The new heads are what I call self healing. They actually measure the size of a minute cell checking by way of a patented electrostatic charge count. When the droplets diminish in size an auto print head service is scheduled and performed at the correct time. It's background, autmatic and your print heads thusly are serviceable for the life of the printer and normally clog free. Time will tell but it's not a minor feature but a major one that will have a lot of users being saved or spred there clogs by moving to HP.
BTW Canon do nothing more than have an electrical resistance feedback circuit for head checking. Hp used this many years ago yet told me it's inefficient and outdated for today's needs.
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Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
colourgeek
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That's okay. I know all too well how hard it is to get honest infoby users that actually know what importance is on making a living doign photography. Count me in though photoman if you may, as I'm still doing just that full time . Still love photography maybe more than ever as I see what we can do with these great technologies.
I love showing my books to ad agencies as the quality off my DJ speaks for itself and lands me more work than any other printer could. Send me a jpg and I'll send you a print. You decide if it's pro quality or not.
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colourgeek
Senior Member
No and no.
Leave the choices the dyes are a different but every bit as capable contender for the finest archival color printing around.
I've always said if I had more room I'd have a printer from each. I never said it would have to be dye or pigment. It's just now I see I'll even need yet more room to have the finest printers here in my small room but my dye printer is definately the best printer I've ever had. The pigment just gives me choices!
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Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
colourgeek
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You're absolutely right. Pigments offer better handling in situations where water, kids and spitters are found.
It's going to be an assumption you will see over and over again that it an image quality thing to surpass the DJ dye. Faux! There are all the things that I've always said true today and the future for the DJ dye printer. It is coexisting and a very exciting period for HP. Now you have a choice> --
Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
It's going to be an assumption you will see over and over again that it an image quality thing to surpass the DJ dye. Faux! There are all the things that I've always said true today and the future for the DJ dye printer. It is coexisting and a very exciting period for HP. Now you have a choice> --
Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
colourgeek
Senior Member
Fixed!
Self healing heads, automatic clean purge that they call servicing in the background only when the drolet size on EACH cell is diminishing. This is a much better mouse trap folks. I'll say it another way, user changeable heads if needby (usually that would be the user putting in too thick stock for example) yet analytical surveillance of the inking system in the background automatically curing clogs with print heads designed to last the life of the printer. In terms of HP life this means as long as you own it not until the next upgrade comes along.....
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Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
colourgeek
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No that's not true anymore. Epson K3 printer are very close, hard to do better. If you do you simply go get Bill Atkinsons custom profiles.
I'm going to hope that HP will help out with a simil;ar custom profile sharing between users. We'll see.
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Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com
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