Suspicious postings about HP

Jerry17761 · Mar 25, 2000

The last few messages regarding the latest HPs' text quality, look suspicious to me as to their intention and in conjuction with the recent advent of the new Epson printers and their well publishized color fasteness, it seems that there is an effort by some to downgrade the HP printers inventing various problems, since photo quality differences are almost indistinguishable any more. Even the subject of the postings are worded in a provocative way. Are these messages implanted on purpose trying to boost up Epson by some fanatic followers? I hope not. Epson does not need it.

HP is famous for its text quality and for somebody to claim that there is a text quality issue with the newer HPs is a sacrilege. Maybe the specific printer is faulty, change it.

As to the color fasteness of Epsons, in my opinion is just a claim, needs to be proved and in any way I am sure HP will soon come out with a similar ink. That's why competition is working to the customer's benefit. But to claim that the new Epson 870 is superior to the new HP 970 because of the color fasteness, is a rather naive definition of superiority. On the other hand we could bring into play the clogging nozzles issue of the past Epsons that was a real issue and not an invented one. But this would be improper and unfair. We have to wait for a while and see if this problem shows up again in the new Epsons. Then we can safely draw some conclusions.
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Leon Wittwer · Mar 25, 2000

Your points are well taken but there is always a burst of enthusiastic messages whenever a new product comes out. I don't see that the current batch is any different. The suggesting of problems with the other guy's printer goes both ways. There has been, IMHP, a big over reaction to the "clogging" problem with Epsons. I've had several, none have had serous clogging problems, and none have been in the shop. There is one person, in particular, that I believe goes way overboard on this point and bashing Epsons in general. There have been similar comments regarding Epsons going to the shop. Over time, I see messages about both HP and Epson regarding problems. I've not seen anything regarding either that would be much of a deterrent to buy. All printer can have problems. I sometimes call sites like this "***** sites" in reference to the fact that more folks write in to "*****" than to complement. Regarding color fastness, I've done my own testing and have a series in progress for the new Epson inks and papers. The test is not done but the new stuff is better. The Wilhelm-Institute at "www.wilhelm-research.com" has published their test numbers and these number also favors Epson at the current time. I agree that the competition is good and will only lead to better printers. I also agree that you can get pretty good prints from these printers if set up properly.

greg14151 · Mar 25, 2000

Jerry said:
The last few messages regarding the latest HPs' text quality, look
suspicious to me as to their intention and in conjuction with the recent
advent of the new Epson printers and their well publishized color
fasteness, it seems that there is an effort by some to downgrade the HP
printers inventing various problems, since photo quality differences are
almost indistinguishable any more. Even the subject of the postings are
worded in a provocative way. Are these messages implanted on purpose
trying to boost up Epson by some fanatic followers? I hope not. Epson
does not need it.
HP is famous for its text quality and for somebody to claim that there is
a text quality issue with the newer HPs is a sacrilege. Maybe the
specific printer is faulty, change it.
As to the color fasteness of Epsons, in my opinion is just a claim, needs
to be proved and in any way I am sure HP will soon come out with a
similar ink. That's why competition is working to the customer's benefit.
But to claim that the new Epson 870 is superior to the new HP 970 because
of the color fasteness, is a rather naive definition of superiority. On
the other hand we could bring into play the clogging nozzles issue of the
past Epsons that was a real issue and not an invented one. But this would
be improper and unfair. We have to wait for a while and see if this
problem shows up again in the new Epsons. Then we can safely draw some
conclusions.
Thanks

jerry,

everyone here can have an opinion. i am one of those peple that actually admit that the hp has great text and epson better photo quality. if you do mostly photos, i reccomend the epson 870/1270. if you do mostly text obviously i would reccomend the hp. i just reccommended to my parents the hp 970. rarely do they print photos. so like i mentioned before. epson is a better PHOTO quality printer period. have you seen it print photos yet? i have liked the photos so much that i have yet to print text yet and for anyone to make comments about epson's current quality without ever seeing the printer in action is obviously using poor judgment.
greg

Archer · Mar 25, 2000

Sorry Jerry,

Didn't mean to stir up conspiracy theories with my question about HP932 text quality. I just returned from Compusa. The printout from the HP932 had sharp, slightly grey text and decent photo quality. Aparently the folks at Compusa know what kind of paper to use (thanks Ron Parr!). They didn't have the Epson 870 hooked up to print demo pages yet.

The only prejudice I have is toward HP. I've been using HP's high quality, high reliability equipment for more than 25 years. Yes that is before they made printers and PCs. I currently own HP computers and laser printers. That doesn't mean HP is perfect. The Laserjet 3 I owned had poor print quality. Once I'm able to compare the HP932 to the Epson 870 I will make a purchase and add my opinion to the hopper.

Archer

Jerry said:
The last few messages regarding the latest HPs' text quality, look
suspicious to me as to their intention and in conjuction with the recent
advent of the new Epson printers and their well publishized color
fasteness, it seems that there is an effort by some to downgrade the HP
printers inventing various problems, since photo quality differences are
almost indistinguishable any more. Even the subject of the postings are
worded in a provocative way. Are these messages implanted on purpose
trying to boost up Epson by some fanatic followers? I hope not. Epson
does not need it.
HP is famous for its text quality and for somebody to claim that there is
a text quality issue with the newer HPs is a sacrilege. Maybe the
specific printer is faulty, change it.
As to the color fasteness of Epsons, in my opinion is just a claim, needs
to be proved and in any way I am sure HP will soon come out with a
similar ink. That's why competition is working to the customer's benefit.
But to claim that the new Epson 870 is superior to the new HP 970 because
of the color fasteness, is a rather naive definition of superiority. On
the other hand we could bring into play the clogging nozzles issue of the
past Epsons that was a real issue and not an invented one. But this would
be improper and unfair. We have to wait for a while and see if this
problem shows up again in the new Epsons. Then we can safely draw some
conclusions.
Thanks

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