Nikon is shipping good D200's now (imgs)

mines 30180,and fine

read through most replies on this thread - and other threads on other user communities

a couple of things spring to mind

1) brand loyalty and fandom is like religion or politics - you are either for or against

2) a lot of people will stand by their opinion or action no matter what - self denial is rampant and confessions of doubt would be a sign of weakness

3) many read the posts, that do not concur with their opinion, as an attack upon themselves or a threat to their "voice" on the issue

4) most people that have a complaint do not post this in order to take a punch at others but as a way to let off steam against the manufacturer and perhaps in the hope that their statement might make a difference

the bottom line is that a lot of you people out there really need to take a deep breath, check the blood pressure, and chill out

if forums were a measurestick for society it would be pretty scary to imagine how deep the trenches get and what that might mean in peoples private life

Thanks

could you tell me what settings you used for processing the dog images (particularly with regard to sharpening)? You seem to have found a pretty sweet setting for d200 sharpening.

I've been able to elicit negligible Type I vertical banding at ISO 800+ with the exagerated lightbulb test. But for eveyday shooting, including high ISO's, no banding is evident whatsoever. More annoying is the comparably weak battery life (which is for a different thread). Of course, this is my first charge and they say it gets better with age. Also, I've done a lot of chimping and internal flash usage. So, maybe it's not that bad in reality!

-proudfather

I just got mine back on Friday and have shot a couple of hundred shots and cannot see it whatsoever. Before I had detectable Type II in just about every shot. It's been great just shooting again.

Noah

rdhphoto said:

I get tired of reading about all these "filter fixes", "Photoshop
fixes", . . . What about a NIKON FIX? . . ."

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Ralph Hensley

That's an entirely reasonable question.

barney swordley said:

1) brand loyalty and fandom is like religion or politics - you are
either for or against

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Yes, hard to believe this is all over a digital camera. As a proud owner of the Panasonic Cordless Phone I understand why people so passionate about their phones, but DLSR? Give me a break, it's just a camera! It has really risen to the level of politics with local senators, spiritual leaders and dissidents. Only missing a court and a prison. Canon accepts all refugees of course

barney swordley said:

2) a lot of people will stand by their opinion or action no matter
what - self denial is rampant and confessions of doubt would be a
sign of weakness

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Yes, they say "99 out of 100 posts are about banding". You say "I counted, it was only 5 out of last 100", they say "what else could you say" and walk away proud of their victory

barney swordley said:

3) many read the posts, that do not concur with their opinion, as
an attack upon themselves or a threat to their "voice" on the issue

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I have a strong feeling that somehow their life, job and health depends on some not-positive posts here, so they object such posts so furiously it is borderline funny.

However, they readily smile and cheer you when you post "I just became a proud owner of the D200". As long as the tone of your post proves to them you feel as if you just won a Nobel Prize, you become their dearest friend.

barney swordley said:

4) most people that have a complaint do not post this in order to
take a punch at others but as a way to let off steam against the
manufacturer and perhaps in the hope that their statement might
make a difference

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There are exception of course but majority of people simply honestly post their problems, whether real or not. This forum became such that I'm sure many people don't dare any more. Not helpful.

barney swordley said:

the bottom line is that a lot of you people out there really need
to take a deep breath, check the blood pressure, and chill out

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"A lot" in fact is only a few dozen. Lots of normal people here as well. They, as always in other cases, are quiter. Fanatics scream louder than non-fanatcis, that's just the way it is. If any non-fanatic talks louder he or she is threatened banning.

Someone said he was considering this forum to be his home on the net. With all due respect, this is an amazing statement if you think about it. He feels that others violated his home and he left. This shows just how respectful to other people that person is. He probably thought they were wrong

barney swordley said:

if forums were a measurestick for society it would be pretty scary
to imagine how deep the trenches get and what that might mean in
peoples private life

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No way this is a measure of the society. We would be at non-stop war then. Digital cameras somehow raise the deepest dark sides in people. I like the D200 and I bought it and I don't consider anything else, but I do announce that it does not make me feel special nor proud. Just a camera I wish to use.

I thought I knew unresonable fanatics during Apple-Linux-Windows wars between software developers, but now I see THAT was totally reasonable and this is completely ridiculous. People who insist on dealing with cameras and photography reasonably are welcome to protect their rights to do so.

Zorpie, I never said most D200s are banding free. Those are your words. I just maintain that the vast majority of D200s are fine, and only an occasional one has banding which actually effects an image. Which could mean they have slight short banding in extreme circumstances. Sort of like the D200 that Adam Kimic rented. The facts support my position. Phil's D200 is typical, not atypical. But I don't care if you agree or not. I and virtually every other D200 owner know what the facts are, and we're very happy with the camera. You got more than your share of bad luck, and I feel bad for that, but your experience is the exception, and it sounds like Nikon is trying to make it right. So other than the inconvenience, you're going to come out of this just fine. But like I said, I could care less if you agree or disagree. If you Gloom and Doomers want to wallow in a distorted view of reality, be my guest.

--
D200 - The Best $1600 I Ever Spent On Photo Gear

Web Site - http://www.hgiersberg.com/

barney swordley said:

read through most replies on this thread - and other threads on
other user communities

a couple of things spring to mind

1) brand loyalty and fandom is like religion or politics - you are
either for or against

2) a lot of people will stand by their opinion or action no matter
what - self denial is rampant and confessions of doubt would be a
sign of weakness

3) many read the posts, that do not concur with their opinion, as
an attack upon themselves or a threat to their "voice" on the issue

4) most people that have a complaint do not post this in order to
take a punch at others but as a way to let off steam against the
manufacturer and perhaps in the hope that their statement might
make a difference

the bottom line is that a lot of you people out there really need
to take a deep breath, check the blood pressure, and chill out

if forums were a measurestick for society it would be pretty scary
to imagine how deep the trenches get and what that might mean in
peoples private life

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So what's your solution? One should shoot Sigma on monday, Canon on tuesday, Nikon on wednesday, Pentax on thursday and so on in order to insure totalo bjectivity? Good plan...

But honestly, brand loyalty is real and GOOD as long as the company makes one happy. This is marketing 101, by the way.

Brand loyalty: If I didn't like Nikon I wouldn't have chosen to spend so much money on Nikon equipment. But having done that, I found out it perfectly suits me and so I am loyal. Did I say something bad here?

I have nothing against gay or Jehovah or Muslim... But please don't start to make me a convert with anal stories and peace will prevail. Same goes with brands: If someone comes into a Nikon forum and praises Canon, well, there is a problem. Go praise the camera of your choice in its own forum. WTF?

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Je ne suis ni pour ni contre, bien au contraire!

Isn't this sentence partially incomplete? LOL

i totally agree brand loyalty is good - ok, so i happen to be one of those that switch camps now and then - but always with a desire to use nikon for any number of reasons - in effect, normal brand loyalty

when the d200 came out i have been quite critical of the product and nikons offhanded way of dealing with what for many is a real pain in the ass

anyway, my post here was more about how a lot of posters seem to have dug in so deep that if nuclear armaments were available they would gladly use them to pop their oponents out of the way

i´ll say it again - the complaining on a forum like this one is most of the time not directed at you, the reader - but a complaint of the product and manufacturer

Hans,

That sums it all up I'm afraid .... 'couldn't care less what you think' is all about what DPREVIEW is all about today.

I rest my case.

Zorpie
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pbase supporter

Katherine Lud said:

So later is NOT better. At least not yet. For now, I think it's
luck of the draw....

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That's a faulty assumption unless you know for sure that her camera was a recent build, and not just an early body that had been sitting around Ritz Camera for several months...or had been sold and returned due to banding one or more times over the past several months.
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James David Walley
http://www.ravenfallsphotography.com

Interested to know how D2hs performs at iso 1600 compared to D200.
Choosing between these 2 as a back-up to my D2x.
Thanks in advance.

Zorpie, you responed to my very first post in this thread by saying "Utter B* S T", and by calling me a "fanboi". You also put deliberately false and misleading words into my mouth by accusing me of telling people most D200s don't have any banding. Which I have never done. I've always very carefully said that there is banding, but in most cases it's minor in nature and doesn't effect most photos. Review after review after review has born out, as have the vast majoriity of people who responded to the various online polls on this forum and others. So Zorpie, I think if anyone is guilty of B S T it's you, and I think it's you who typifies this forum, not me. And you complain when I say I couldn't care less what you say. You got the respect you deserved. What goes around, comes around. If you want to get some respect, show some respect.

Regards,
Hans.

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D200 - The Best $1600 I Ever Spent On Photo Gear

Web Site - http://www.hgiersberg.com/

D2hs is better at high ISO - no contest here. Plus the files from the D2hs seem a bit better. Size of D200 is nice, but IQ is not as good as D2hs in color or ISO. I guess the D2hs sells at $3200 for a reason, and its not just speed.

Thanks

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digislr said:

I bought from BB when they showed in stock, took 2 days. Then my
local store had one and i exchanged and that was bad too. But Id
never shop there again becuase they charged me a restck fee on a
defective item.

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I need to talk to my local BB before I order one to find out what there policy is on defect return. I guess they expect you to send it off for repair instead of getting your money back. Who pays for that?

So far I haven't order one from them because they never show one in stock. Well they did a month ago for a day, but I wasn't ordering one until the banding problem was almost resolved.

Thanks,

Mark

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This is me. To see what I'm looking at click here.
http://mtt.smugmug.com/gallery/482165/1/27071871

I'm a mechanic to survive, but a photographer for fun. Just wished it were the other way around. Mark Thompson/MTT
Louisville, KY. USA

http://mtt.smugmug.com/

barney swordley said:

i totally agree brand loyalty is good - ok, so i happen to be one
of those that switch camps now and then - but always with a desire
to use nikon for any number of reasons - in effect, normal brand
loyalty

when the d200 came out i have been quite critical of the product
and nikons offhanded way of dealing with what for many is a real
pain in the ass

anyway, my post here was more about how a lot of posters seem to
have dug in so deep that if nuclear armaments were available they
would gladly use them to pop their oponents out of the way

i´ll say it again - the complaining on a forum like this one is
most of the time not directed at you, the reader - but a complaint
of the product and manufacturer

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Barney, you're way to smart!

Ralph Hensley

It's nowhere even close. The D70 could outlast two 1-gig CF cards, including chimping after each shot, and then some, without even breaking a bar. The D200, with excessive chimping and on board flash utilization ~ 25% of the shots, lasted around 200-250? shots or so. It also loses power more excessively when not used (ie. overnight). But that was the 1st charge. And since I'm still getting to know the camera, I used the LCD more than I probably will need to in the future. It's also supposed to get a little better with successive charges. So, I'm giving it a break. Additionally, 200-250 shots is more than a 1-G CF card, when putting things into perspective.

I just completed my 2nd charge and will use the LCD much less. Regardless, I think a spare battery is necessary with this camera.

I wonder how 6 AA NiMH batteries in the MB-D200 compare to 1 En-EL3e battery. If they perform better, I may consider the MB-D200. Though I don't want to add to the size of the camera body, nor its weight. Bottom line, the D200 battery is probably average. I was simply spoiled with the D70 battery life.

-proudfather