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Pardon me but just because you can't see it, doesn't mean many of us can't. I sincerely doubt I can't see it at 8x10. You get more cropping room with usable resolution, and remember not everyone is satisfied viewing pictures on your monitor the way you do. Also this shot is clearly in good daylight. Try night life and ka-boom. Even indoors.
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Exposure Time 1/250 sec
F-Number F5.6
Exposure Program Program normal
ISO Speed Ratings 400
Exif Version 2.20
Date/Time Original 2006:02:15 15:31:15
Date/Time Digitized 2006:02:15 15:31:15
Components Configuration YCbCr
Compressed Bits Per Pixel 4 bits/pixel
Exposure Bias Value 0
Max Aperture Value F2.8
Metering Mode Spot
Light Source Unknown
Flash No flash fired, compulsory flash mode
Focal Length 88.8 mm
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Gene
From Western PA.
Panasonic FZ-10 and FZ 20 and FZ30
B300
T Con 17 --two Tcon 14Bs -- Raynox 2020 pro -- DCR 6600
http://imageevent.com/grc6
Just trying to learn and it's slow going!
Hi Ken,
I know its a lost cause, but here is an ISO400 photo with NR low in
the camera and no other NR used and yes its resized to about full
screen on my monitor which is how I view photos.
I think it looks fine given my limited photo skills.....I also have
the original which I just printed at 8 X 10 and it looks at least
this good.
My point is why discuss noise when its not visible?
Exposure Time 1/250 sec
F-Number F5.6
Exposure Program Program normal
ISO Speed Ratings 400
Exif Version 2.20
Date/Time Original 2006:02:15 15:31:15
Date/Time Digitized 2006:02:15 15:31:15
Components Configuration YCbCr
Compressed Bits Per Pixel 4 bits/pixel
Exposure Bias Value 0
Max Aperture Value F2.8
Metering Mode Spot
Light Source Unknown
Flash No flash fired, compulsory flash mode
Focal Length 88.8 mm
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Gene
From Western PA.
Panasonic FZ-10 and FZ 20 and FZ30
B300
T Con 17 --two Tcon 14Bs -- Raynox 2020 pro -- DCR 6600
http://imageevent.com/grc6
Just trying to learn and it's slow going!
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....Pics here are pretty good. The 1st FZ30 shot is good but the second was shot at -2EV and looks it. The Oly Pics are good too and all in tricky lighting. ...Sounds like your "low-light" definition is a bit different than mine. Outdoor night-time photography (> 2 second shutter speed) is a bit specialized. I agree that a tripod is mandatory hence, I.S. is not applicable. I guess my definition of low-light is less extreme.
... Well said and, it has been a concern of mine for quite while too. I really believe the technologist can improve EV & IQ with small sensors by another magnitude but not, if buyers/enthusiasts insist on propagating large-sensor SLR technology.
I'm in it for the fun too: But get this: Today I borrowed a friend's awesome D200 with a 17-70 Niikkor. Set it for ISO1600 and tried to do some mid-day indoor children's photography (of my grandkids.) ....I got some news for everyone! While it might be impressive to shoot up to 5 FPS w. RAW, there was still insufficient shutter speed to capture indoor kids-in-action. My yield was poor. Turned to the built-in flash and the FZ30 produced more keepers than the D200!
Everything except the miniaturized sunglass cam scenario.
Ya lost me here..
That's the key...
That's why when I read request to suggest the cam for catching the kids running around the house candids, there's just no way the 30 is up to it without the flash but I would expect that Nikon would pull it off with a fast, wide lens & that high of ISO...
Well maybe not in our lifetimes ;-}
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That is definitly category "C" answer from jthommo"s post earlier.
....Sorry for my bad assumption these were in the > 1 seconds category.
.....I'd pay too. In fact, if pannie can output a .jpg with absolutely no noise adjustmentl, that too might help the external NN, NI, PC software.
......Yea: +2EV would have done it but unsure if +1EV would have been good enough. The D200 lacks ISO3200 and there were no f/1.2 fixed Nikkors in the loaned bushel of parts. So, I could not prove or disprove if flash-less indoor children's protography is at all practical. ...Bottom line: For me, indoor children's action photography is really a contest of flash units and hence, a small-sensored Prosumer is just as good as any and, the FZ30 better than most.
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Well it's all due to 'OIS'... It's a challenge to try & hold anything less than 1/100th regardless if it's night, day, indoors or out...
Actually I'll probably resort to Auto-ISO but I'm not interested in noisewaring anything let alone everything, since I'm ultimately interested in eliminating PP entirely but that just isn't possible yet... Not the smartest philosophy to take but it's the one I choose...
The key as I see it is rather than eliminating the noise by smear tactics that destroys detail & softens edges.. They have to refine or elimanate the noise so it doesn have to be smeared at all... No matter what the camera but they have to do it in the existing sized CCD's they already are using... I don'y know how they'd do it though but they have to eliminate it @ the pixel level before it gets to the point where software has to attemp to get rid of it once it's recorded.... What's it called? Signal to noise ratio, I think? I'm not an engineer ;-} Clean up the CCD form the start so it catches more light without producing the noise and blooming too.... Or so it would seem to me...
Flash is the key as long as there's at least enough light for focus to work or the hyperfocal method can be used...
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