Computer geeks- what system to build?

I posted because a friend of mine read yours and misunderstood it, it was all in there but he didn't get it, so I thought if I wrote the same but differently ;-) it might help. This is sort of what I said to my friend, worked for him.

Chris
 
Ok. Now I have a pent4 2.0ghtz no hyperthreading with XP home. 1
gig ram. ATI all in wonder 9800 pro graphics card. Three hd's-
all maxtor IDE 100gig, 250gig, 300gig. The 100 is full of pics-
250 is half full with OS also-300 I just got to hold more pics. I
have a sata 200 that I used but removed along with sata pci card
for new system. I have a copy of XP pro but no experience with 64
bit- is it a hassle to match up drivers and get it working? My
current system will stay as the family system and remain with all
hd's in tack. Ill set up a network to communicate with my new
system in my new basement/studio/office/family room. As I said I
have $2000 to spend on the cpu tower alone so if I can get better
performance from a $100 upgrade on say the proccessor I'd do it. I
do want at least three hd's with lots of storage space for pics- I
dont like burning cd's as I do like to access them on my hd when I
feel like it. I must say as I get closer to this purchase the more
I want to not skimp on performance and have a system that'll last
me a long time. -p
OK, sounds like you want "bang for the buck". I would be quite wary of the Maxtor drives you have (seriously, I haven't had any last two years). If you're going to have two PCs and a network, give some serious thought to having a NAS (network attached storage) drive (assuming you have a least ONE wired ethernet port). I use an Encore SOHO NAS enclosure (about $75) and you can install whatever hd up to 250GB that you wish. What is really nice about doing this is it'll allow you to back up files from either computer on this "share drive" and you'll be able to retrieve your work from either computer. There goes about $200 of your budget + another hundred for a switch (assuming WiFi + 4 port wired) + fifty for a printserver (nice to have it accessible from either computer w/o requiring other computer to be booted (and operational, you know how that goes!). So, that leaves about $1650 for upgrades to the existing computer plus the new computer.

What is the model of your existing MB? (Need to know to figure out what might make sense to do with it, if anything.)

George
 
From what I have read, I understand that SLI is some kind of system
for connecting two graphics cards so that they work twice as fast
as one.

SLI motherboards are often recommended on this forum. But, why
would anyone except a serious gamer want SLI? This is not a game
forum.
--
Author of SAR Image Processor and anomic sociopath
http://www.general-cathexis.com
You dont need one, unless you are a hard core gamer....even serious
gamers dont always have SLI, I can only say the reason I got one
was at the time the price was very good, but no I dont use SLI
myself, not a gamer...

There is no disadvantage having an SLI board, the slot doubles as a
pci-express slot too....

This dual graphics card thing is similar to about 7 years ago now
ATI has crossfire....dont worry I suspect it will go back to single
slots on a year or so, with "dual core" graphics processors taking
up the slack...
I'm assuming (haven't used SLI myself) that it'd be quite useful for video editing, if you're into that.
 
SLI motherboards are often recommended on this forum. But, why
would anyone except a serious gamer want SLI? This is not a game
forum.
SLI, in and of itself, has no benefit for this market, however motherboards with SLI capability do have the advantage of having two PEG slots. That opens up a few doors, such as the ability to use the second slot for a high-end PCI-E x8 RAID card or the capability of using a second graphics card to drive more monitors. At this stage the price premium usually isn't that large, so for many people it's worth considering the extra expense to have two high-speed expansion slots for future use.
 
From what I have read, I understand that SLI is some kind of system
for connecting two graphics cards so that they work twice as fast
as one.

SLI motherboards are often recommended on this forum. But, why
would anyone except a serious gamer want SLI? This is not a game
forum.
--
Author of SAR Image Processor and anomic sociopath
http://www.general-cathexis.com
You dont need one, unless you are a hard core gamer....even serious
gamers dont always have SLI, I can only say the reason I got one
was at the time the price was very good, but no I dont use SLI
myself, not a gamer...

There is no disadvantage having an SLI board, the slot doubles as a
pci-express slot too....

This dual graphics card thing is similar to about 7 years ago now
ATI has crossfire....dont worry I suspect it will go back to single
slots on a year or so, with "dual core" graphics processors taking
up the slack...
I'm assuming (haven't used SLI myself) that it'd be quite useful
for video editing, if you're into that.
No not really you need a capture card, that takes the heat off the cpu big time.
 
Just get the standard A8N-SLI.....you dont need 8 sata ports
Sorry mrfitz, I had to laugh at that one. I have 4 sata's and I
wish I had five.

Eight would be better.

--
http://www.pbase.com/timrhunt
f828, p72, minolta ex supreme 35mm
Tim H.
You can laugh, but truth is that few people use more than 2 sata ports.

Why do you feel the need to use more than 4 hard disks?

Pointless
 
I have 8 sata ports and use all 8 of them. Love it. Sure I could get by with less. One can always get by with less. I could use a single 500GB disk and put my OS/App/Swap/Scratch/working/archive all on it. It'd be a dog, but it would get the job done (eventually) But why. It's pointless with the price of HDDs so cheap these days. Some people like the minimalist approach, others don't. I don't. More is always better. :)
Just get the standard A8N-SLI.....you dont need 8 sata ports
Sorry mrfitz, I had to laugh at that one. I have 4 sata's and I
wish I had five.

Eight would be better.

--
http://www.pbase.com/timrhunt
f828, p72, minolta ex supreme 35mm
Tim H.
You can laugh, but truth is that few people use more than 2 sata
ports.

Why do you feel the need to use more than 4 hard disks?

Pointless
--
Kevin
http://blog.kevinmillsphoto.com
 
Just get the standard A8N-SLI.....you dont need 8 sata ports
Sorry mrfitz, I had to laugh at that one. I have 4 sata's and I
wish I had five.

Eight would be better.

--
http://www.pbase.com/timrhunt
f828, p72, minolta ex supreme 35mm
Tim H.
You can laugh, but truth is that few people use more than 2 sata
ports.

Why do you feel the need to use more than 4 hard disks?

Pointless
Well, I have 2 80's and 2 250's and I want to dump my nework drive because its too slow. And extra 500 would come in real nice. I'm sick of external hdd's performance and reliability.

My case holds five hdd's and it's not full yet.:)

Plus, you can never have too much storage or redunancy. Especially with photography.

--
http://www.pbase.com/timrhunt
f828, p72, minolta ex supreme 35mm
Tim H.
 
From what I have read, I understand that SLI is some kind of system
for connecting two graphics cards so that they work twice as fast
as one.

SLI motherboards are often recommended on this forum. But, why
would anyone except a serious gamer want SLI? This is not a game
forum.
--
Author of SAR Image Processor and anomic sociopath
http://www.general-cathexis.com
You dont need one, unless you are a hard core gamer....even serious
gamers dont always have SLI, I can only say the reason I got one
was at the time the price was very good, but no I dont use SLI
myself, not a gamer...

There is no disadvantage having an SLI board, the slot doubles as a
pci-express slot too....

This dual graphics card thing is similar to about 7 years ago now
ATI has crossfire....dont worry I suspect it will go back to single
slots on a year or so, with "dual core" graphics processors taking
up the slack...
I'm assuming (haven't used SLI myself) that it'd be quite useful
for video editing, if you're into that.
No not really you need a capture card, that takes the heat off the
cpu big time.
Rendering speed doesn't matter at all?
 
I have 8 sata ports and use all 8 of them. Love it. Sure I could
get by with less. One can always get by with less. I could use a
single 500GB disk and put my OS/App/Swap/Scratch/working/archive
all on it. It'd be a dog, but it would get the job done
(eventually) But why. It's pointless with the price of HDDs so
cheap these days. Some people like the minimalist approach, others
don't. I don't. More is always better. :)
Sure if you wanna use 8 ports fire away. I feel sorry for global warming and power consumption! twin disk systems are popular....one for the os and programs one for the page file and backup. Even raid users rarely use more than 4..

Hdd's are cheaper, but if you slap 8x 500 Gb drives in thats expensive. Twin HDD systems are far from dogs!

there are those who feel computers are powerhouses and deserve huge cash sums spent on them, and those that know when they are throwing money at someting for little real benefit...

Use your DVD burner for photos! thats what its there for!

More is not always better....
 
Well, I have 2 80's and 2 250's and I want to dump my nework drive
because its too slow. And extra 500 would come in real nice. I'm
sick of external hdd's performance and reliability.

My case holds five hdd's and it's not full yet.:)

Plus, you can never have too much storage or redunancy. Especially
with photography.
I'm with you on this except (with my data loss paranoia) I DO like my NAS drive even if it is a bit slow compared to an internal drive. Plus the convenience of accessing data (photos) from multiple computers is really handy.
--
http://www.pbase.com/timrhunt
f828, p72, minolta ex supreme 35mm
Tim H.
 
No not really you need a capture card, that takes the heat off the
cpu big time.
Rendering speed doesn't matter at all?
You surprise me! Of course it does, but you know that a dedicated capture card does most of the hard work dont you?

Some programs take advantage of graphics cards when video editing...true...

I have seen modest pc's with expensive capture cards run like hell......
 
Interesting as it is debating super pc's....

The budget is around $2000 so I believe...

So......back to reality!
 
Hi Irish-George,

Which NAS solution are you using? I'm going to buy one to mirror my internal 864GB RAID-5 array. Right now I'm looking at the Infrant ReadyNAS products. They seem to be well received, although at a price premium.
I'm with you on this except (with my data loss paranoia) I DO like
my NAS drive even if it is a bit slow compared to an internal
drive. Plus the convenience of accessing data (photos) from
multiple computers is really handy.
--
Kevin
http://blog.kevinmillsphoto.com
 
No not really you need a capture card, that takes the heat off the
cpu big time.
Rendering speed doesn't matter at all?
You surprise me! Of course it does, but you know that a dedicated
capture card does most of the hard work dont you?
This is something that I'm not into (so excuse my ignorance if I am wrong here), but isn't a capture card merely a NUMBER CRUNCHER for DIGITIZING? It does NOT DISPLAY the video on the screen in real time. THAT is why I would expect SLI video cards to be a major advantage here. Make sense or am I still "not getting it"?
Some programs take advantage of graphics cards when video
editing...true...

I have seen modest pc's with expensive capture cards run like
hell......
 
Hi Irish-George,

Which NAS solution are you using? I'm going to buy one to mirror
my internal 864GB RAID-5 array. Right now I'm looking at the
Infrant ReadyNAS products. They seem to be well received, although
at a price premium.
I'm doing something simpler and cheaper than what you are looking at. Mine is just home made from an Encore Electronics SOHO NAS enclosure. One of the main purposes of mine is as a share drive so it doesn't matter WHICH PC each of my kids uses for homework. $200 for 200GB a year ago.
I'm with you on this except (with my data loss paranoia) I DO like
my NAS drive even if it is a bit slow compared to an internal
drive. Plus the convenience of accessing data (photos) from
multiple computers is really handy.
--
Kevin
http://blog.kevinmillsphoto.com
 
Hi Irish-George,

Which NAS solution are you using? I'm going to buy one to mirror
my internal 864GB RAID-5 array. Right now I'm looking at the
Infrant ReadyNAS products. They seem to be well received, although
at a price premium.
BTW, nice choice. Can hardly wait to find a job so I can get current technology again.
I'm with you on this except (with my data loss paranoia) I DO like
my NAS drive even if it is a bit slow compared to an internal
drive. Plus the convenience of accessing data (photos) from
multiple computers is really handy.
--
Kevin
http://blog.kevinmillsphoto.com
 

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