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30D - Do you guys realise how nice SPOT metering is?

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midwestshutterbug said:
That is worth the extra $'a alone, in my book. Biggest thing I
missed when I switched over from Minolta 7D was Spot Metering,
2.5"LCD & knobs, not the anti-shake.

With the 30D, Canon has an affordable body that has two of the
three things I missed most.

Now, if I could only get Canon to do away with Menu's and give me
more knobs, levers and switches...
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Do you realize you can get Spot Metering from a Nikon D50 for about $600 with a lens?? Thats pretty affoardable, NOt sure Why Canon is jsut now offering Spot metering?
http://nickmjr.smugmug.com/
Nick M
 
Cool, I have a T-90 as well, what a phenominal camera! Now I have a 10D and 20D. I find the histogram taking up slack for the missing spot metering. The T-90 is a tank and I really miss it. It was amazing when I bought it on its first day out in 1986, only paid $450 for it.

Glenn
Espejo said:
I used a T-90 for a while before buying my 20D. I became very
accustomed to and comfortable with spot metering during that time.
I found i got very accurate results (after lots of practice), and
enjoyed taking more control over my exposure. The first thing i
thought after buying my 20D was "I wish this thing had spot".

I'm used to not having it now, and I get good exposure in
post-processing, but i'm never as satisfied out of camera. Does it
really matteR? I get a good final product. But honestly, i miss
having that in-camera control, and still wish my 20D had spot
metering. Of course only experience would tell me if i would
actually continue to use it. It's like having a hand-held spot
meter built right in!

Will i pay another 2 Grand (in canada) for this? Helll no. I
mean, after all, it' just a hobby!

My 2 pennies.

Daniel
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I use the histogram as well, list most do i think. it works well, but i just liked the spot.

Yes, the T-90 is a tank. Talk about solid. Sometimes i want to shoot film just to hold that camera again.

--
Espejo
_
 
Used spot metering exclusively for many, many years, when shooting film and don't miss it much at all for the type of digital shooting I do. I can work around not having spot metering quite nicely, but would also use it sometimes if it was there.

--len
 
Even Nikon which is known to be more traditional than canon in ergonomics is short on knobs, levers and switches these days. The Nikon D200 does not even have a mode dial no more. At least the 20D/30D/5D has a mode dial. Levers and switches for AF modes and metering are nice and Nikon has these while the 20D/30D/5D does not. Can't have it all I guess.
 
It would be even nicer if it could be linked to the active AF point. For stage photography for instance. You could AF a spotlit actor's face and spot meter at the same time. Unfortunately you have to buy a Canon 1 series camera to do that and you still don't get a proper AF point selector joystick on the 1 series to make it easier selecting AF points. The Nikon D200 has it all at a fraction of the Canon 1 series cost.
 
powershot said:
Why is it so easy for people to think others are just ignorant?
Please read some books on digital photography or just search on
internet before you say this. The bottom line is for digital
photography, the correct exposure method for getting the best
picture quality is different from that for films. Things have
changed. Use that histogram, that is the most powerful tool, not
the spot metering. Even you want to use the spot metering, better
use it in a different way. I don't want to offend anybody, but the
truth is that if you don't catch up, you won't be a good digital
photographer no matter how good you were with films.
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Umm....Mr. Scientist, you seem to be assuming a lot now aren't you.

Film, digital, the metering is pretty much the same, pretty close anyway. Spot metering is a very useful tool. Catch up to what? I shoot good digital because I learned how to shoot good transparency film.

Histogram the most powerful tool? Wowzer dude! What do you think us pros did before the often distracting hist-O-gram? Many MANY photographers do not have time to keep looking down at the back of the camera when the client is paying them to look in the viewfinder.

Constantly looking at the back of the camera is making many newbie photographers lazy as heck. I'm glad really, I am getting more work because I get the work done bud.

Yesterday, I shot over 1,000 raw frames with my 5D's along with several rolls of film in a panoramic camera. I was hired by one of my regular clients to get aerial photos of the ski areas. The client paid over $2,000 for the 4+ hours of helicopter flight time. I was hanging out the helicopter at over 15,000 feet up with a wind-chill factor of -40 to -70 degrees on the average. So I am supposed to look at a HISTOGRAM while I am doing that? Yeeeah...riiiight.

You need to open your mind up to the fact that others have different methods and different needs, period.

You are, yet one of many hundreds of folks who say things in absolute terms on this forum.

You might want to work on that......
 
midwestshutterbug said:
Nothing, just bought it last month from B&H, when I switched
brands, fro Minolta to Canon.

10D looks like a nice little camera, though I have not even shot a
frame with it. But, with the 30D coming out soon, my childs 16th
coming up in May,I figure kill two birds with one stone.

Give the 20D to the kid and pick up the 30D for me. Sell the 10D
to buy the kid a macro lens or something for her birthday.

I knew when I bought these cameras that Canon was probably coming
out with a new body but did not want to be without a camera until
that time.

I was fully expected to be perfetly content to use whatever I
bought, until I mastered the new bodies and canons way of doing
things.Then, maybe, upgrade if it was worth it.

The 30D though, it is too close to one camera body I already own,
and it has Spot Metering, that I feel teh need to dump the 10 D and
pick one up.

Honestly, if it was a 10MP body with faster frame rates and greater
burst but no spot meter, I would not even consider amove right now,
but learn Canons system with what I have now.

Oddly, it is the very thing that everyone is complaining about so
loudly, the factt hat the 30d is so close to the 20D , that I am
even considering purchasing one myself.

--
Dave Patterson
---------------------
Midwestshutterbug.com
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Sounds perfectly logical to me. I am not sure that spot metering is all that wonderful but it does have advantages. The 30d is really a 20dmark11 and that is not a criticism.

I have the ef-s 60mm macro lens and fiind it quite wonderful. I highly recommend it.

DAVID
 
bimmerman said:
It would be even nicer if it could be linked to the active AF
point. For stage photography for instance. You could AF a spotlit
actor's face and spot meter at the same time. Unfortunately you
have to buy a Canon 1 series camera to do that and you still don't
get a proper AF point selector joystick on the 1 series to make it
easier selecting AF points. The Nikon D200 has it all at a fraction
of the Canon 1 series cost.
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A Fraction of the D200, the D50 at ($550 Body) has Spot Metering at its AF points.
http://nickmjr.smugmug.com/
Nick M
 
Since I almost always have a zoom on my body:

1) Activate Center-weighted
2) Zoom in to where you want your spot to be
3) Lock exposure
4) Zoom back out

Take the pic.

Sounds like a lot, but it's really easy - zoom in, lock, out, take.
 
otherwise it may not hold as you change focal length.

Rich
 
Film_Ruled said:
Umm....Mr. Scientist, you seem to be assuming a lot now aren't you.

Film, digital, the metering is pretty much the same, pretty close
anyway. Spot metering is a very useful tool. Catch up to what? I
shoot good digital because I learned how to shoot good transparency
film.

Histogram the most powerful tool? Wowzer dude! What do you think > us pros did before the often distracting hist-O-gram? Many MANY
photographers do not have time to keep looking down at the back of
the camera when the client is paying them to look in the viewfinder.
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I know what you pros do. Bracket exposure even with a spot metering. Yes, you don't have time, but you have money, film, so you can waist a lot. What a glory, Mr. Pro! If you are so proud of your dead on skill, why do that? I am not a pro, I have time to check histogram, so most of the time I only need no more than two exposures.
Film_Ruled said:
Constantly looking at the back of the camera is making many newbie
photographers lazy as heck. I'm glad really, I am getting more work
because I get the work done bud.
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So you'd think that's a histogram's fault? If one doesn't learn how to use the tool properly, why can he complain about the tool? Did I say using a histogram without proper metering?
Film_Ruled said:
Yesterday, I shot over 1,000 raw frames with my 5D's along with
several rolls of film in a panoramic camera. I was hired by one of
my regular clients to get aerial photos of the ski areas. The
client paid over $2,000 for the 4+ hours of helicopter flight time.
I was hanging out the helicopter at over 15,000 feet up with a
wind-chill factor of -40 to -70 degrees on the average. So I am
supposed to look at a HISTOGRAM while I am doing that?
Yeeeah...riiiight.

You need to open your mind up to the fact that others have
different methods and different needs, period.
You are, yet one of many hundreds of folks who say things in
absolute terms on this forum.

You might want to work on that......
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Well, it is not me who should open mind. I use both spot metering and histogram. From where in my post you concluded that I don't know other people have different ways and needs? The truth is, I know perfectly how to use spot metering with film and I have found using histogram with digitals is more convinient a lot of times. I do not need to work on all that. Who should open their minds? Those people who only know spot metering and don't want take the advantage of the histogram. And you, my Mr. pro, should open your mind, lots of photographers in this world don't make a living out of their hobby. They don't have to work as a pro.

Please don't show off your pro identity. Don't just yell at me here. Be a hero and send an email to Bruce Fraser and tell him he is wrong, and he should rewrite his book. Tell Michael Reichmann he is wrong and update his website. Tell Thomas Knoll he is wrong and rewrite his Photoshop Camera RAW. Better yet, tell all physicists that physics is wrong!!
 
Pete Perry said:
Honestly, say you bought a D60 and Canon rated it at 20,000 clicks
for the shutter life... What would you do, waste a few clicks
trying to get it right (effectively cutting your shutter life
anywhere from 33-50%) or get it right the first time with the spot
meter?
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So you're calling him ignorant because he doesn't care about wasting a few clicks on a $125 shutter that should be good for over 50K frames...which is even less of a big deal because not every shot requires spot metering?
Member said:
The truth is
that a shot taken of a caucasian model with the Sun at his or her
back should never be a perfect histogram if you want the models
face to be properly exposed and yet this is how most people
opperate their histograms...
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Oh, no, now I get it. You're saying he's ignorant because he knows how to use the histogram properly. I see...

This is a very, very silly post. I'm not saying spot metering might not be nice to have, but to argue it's merits based on shutter life and the fact that a lot of people are buying cameras they simply can't be bothered to learn how to use properly is just ridiculous. A novice photographer is just as unlikely to know how to use spot metering properly as they are to not be able to perform the EXTREMELY simple task of fudging a proper exposure from looking at the preview. I mean even if you don't know how to read the histo....just bump the exposure up a couple stops if you can't see the face in the preview...not hard at all.

--
D e s o l a t e ~ M e t r o p o l i s
http://www.desolatemetropolis.com
 
I use the histogram. But I use metering methods more, it keeps me sharp. For I still shoot lots of film, always will.

I jjust get tired of all the BS, just like you seem to have.

Now get out and shoot, that is what I am about to do.

If you are so intent on finding my identity, search my posts. I don't make it easy because I don't like getting spammed.
powershot said:
Film_Ruled said:
Umm....Mr. Scientist, you seem to be assuming a lot now aren't you.

Film, digital, the metering is pretty much the same, pretty close
anyway. Spot metering is a very useful tool. Catch up to what? I
shoot good digital because I learned how to shoot good transparency
film.

Histogram the most powerful tool? Wowzer dude! What do you think > us pros did before the often distracting hist-O-gram? Many MANY
photographers do not have time to keep looking down at the back of
the camera when the client is paying them to look in the viewfinder.
Click to expand...
I know what you pros do. Bracket exposure even with a spot
metering. Yes, you don't have time, but you have money, film, so
you can waist a lot. What a glory, Mr. Pro! If you are so proud of
your dead on skill, why do that? I am not a pro, I have time to
check histogram, so most of the time I only need no more than two
exposures.
powershot said:
Constantly looking at the back of the camera is making many newbie
photographers lazy as heck. I'm glad really, I am getting more work
because I get the work done bud.
Click to expand...
So you'd think that's a histogram's fault? If one doesn't learn how
to use the tool properly, why can he complain about the tool? Did I
say using a histogram without proper metering?
powershot said:
Yesterday, I shot over 1,000 raw frames with my 5D's along with
several rolls of film in a panoramic camera. I was hired by one of
my regular clients to get aerial photos of the ski areas. The
client paid over $2,000 for the 4+ hours of helicopter flight time.
I was hanging out the helicopter at over 15,000 feet up with a
wind-chill factor of -40 to -70 degrees on the average. So I am
supposed to look at a HISTOGRAM while I am doing that?
Yeeeah...riiiight.

You need to open your mind up to the fact that others have
different methods and different needs, period.
You are, yet one of many hundreds of folks who say things in
absolute terms on this forum.

You might want to work on that......
Click to expand...
Well, it is not me who should open mind. I use both spot metering
and histogram. From where in my post you concluded that I don't
know other people have different ways and needs? The truth is, I
know perfectly how to use spot metering with film and I have found
using histogram with digitals is more convinient a lot of times. I
do not need to work on all that. Who should open their minds? Those
people who only know spot metering and don't want take the
advantage of the histogram. And you, my Mr. pro, should open your
mind, lots of photographers in this world don't make a living out
of their hobby. They don't have to work as a pro.

Please don't show off your pro identity. Don't just yell at me
here. Be a hero and send an email to Bruce Fraser and tell him he
is wrong, and he should rewrite his book. Tell Michael Reichmann he
is wrong and update his website. Tell Thomas Knoll he is wrong and
rewrite his Photoshop Camera RAW. Better yet, tell all physicists
that physics is wrong!!
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--

Disclaimer, these are only my opinions and are based my findings and should not be
construed as gospel or legally binding..:-)
 
Film_Ruled said:
Film_Ruled wrote:
I use the histogram. But I use metering methods more, it keeps me
sharp. For I still shoot lots of film, always will.

I jjust get tired of all the BS, just like you seem to have.

Now get out and shoot, that is what I am about to do.

If you are so intent on finding my identity, search my posts. I
don't make it easy because I don't like getting spammed.
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Yes, go out and shoot. If I get tired on any post, I just shut up and leave, without leaving some meaningless words.
Film_Ruled said:
Film_Ruled said:
powershot wrote:

Please don't show off your pro identity. Don't just yell at me
here. Be a hero and send an email to Bruce Fraser and tell him he
is wrong, and he should rewrite his book. Tell Michael Reichmann he
is wrong and update his website. Tell Thomas Knoll he is wrong and
rewrite his Photoshop Camera RAW. Better yet, tell all physicists
that physics is wrong!!
Click to expand...
--
Disclaimer, these are only my opinions and are based my findings
and should not be
construed as gospel or legally binding..:-)
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Oh, that's funny! Yes, one of them did say that, so what? You think I believe in what they said because of their names? You think I took their words as gospel? It happens so often in my everyday research work that I have to ignore things said by big names, because they don't make sense. It was you who showed off the pro identity first and tried to make me look silly, and I am telling you most photographers are not pros.
 
wrider said:
This guy is the new Barry Fitzgerald. Don't waste your time.
--
Wendell
http://www.wendellworld.com
'Not everything that counts can be counted, not everything that can
be counted counts.'
Albert Einstein
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Oh well, maybe. The truth is, in one of your posts you thought I don't understand spot metering and just make up the difference between digital and film, but I showed that you were wrong in my following posts. You can call me anything you want, I don't care. I just focus on the question in debate.
 
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