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Hi,

I've decided to switch from PhotoshopCS to Nikon Capture (immiment version) or RawShooter Premium.

I will be shooting in RAW and all I want to do is adjust white balance, colour etc. I don't need all those features that Photoshop has.

I noticed on Ebay that there are so many people selling cracked copies of Photoshop that no-one bids seriously anymore. Any more suggestions of where I could sell it?

I guess the next challange is deciding between NC and RSP. I have the dmos of NC4 and RSP, and I have no idea which is best so far, although I have to admit that NK's slow performance (although impressibe quality) and shocking interface make RSP my top choice for now (and it's cheaper).

Anyway, maybe my best bet is to flog Photoshop to a camera shop, although since it's only CS and not CS2, I guess I won't get very much.

Cheers
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How about Craigslist?

http://www.craigslist.org/

A number of UK cities are sporting it. I'll let you figure which is closest to you.

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You'll like it!

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I wouldn't get rid of PS CS...you just can't do the masking in NC that you can in PS CS..."changing color" is a huge huge thing...there will be many many times when you only need to white balance certain parts. NC is slow, and hogs memory like crazy and then tends to crash at the worst times.
arenaman said:
Hi,

I've decided to switch from PhotoshopCS to Nikon Capture (immiment
version) or RawShooter Premium.

I will be shooting in RAW and all I want to do is adjust white
balance, colour etc. I don't need all those features that Photoshop
has.

I noticed on Ebay that there are so many people selling cracked
copies of Photoshop that no-one bids seriously anymore. Any more
suggestions of where I could sell it?

I guess the next challange is deciding between NC and RSP. I have
the dmos of NC4 and RSP, and I have no idea which is best so far,
although I have to admit that NK's slow performance (although
impressibe quality) and shocking interface make RSP my top choice
for now (and it's cheaper).

Anyway, maybe my best bet is to flog Photoshop to a camera shop,
although since it's only CS and not CS2, I guess I won't get very
much.

Cheers
--
Michael Stubbs, Middlesbrough, England
My gallery: http://www.michaelstubbs.net/gallery
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how much did you want to sell it for? i might be interested, also, is it for PC or Mac?
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jeremyInMT said:
I wouldn't get rid of PS CS...you just can't do the masking in NC
that you can in PS CS..."changing color" is a huge huge
thing...there will be many many times when you only need to white
balance certain parts. NC is slow, and hogs memory like crazy and
then tends to crash at the worst times.
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One question: when you get a colour cast, for example snow looks a bit blue, that's down to white balance, right?

All I want to correct is white balance, sharpening and maybe noise reduction, all of which can be done using Nikon Capture or Raw Shooter Premium (as used by Andy Rouse, a pro wildlife photographer).

I am traditional in that I want the creativity to be with the camera and the post-processing to be limited to basic correction, as mentioned above, maybe some colour enhancement, but I believe this is all in those RAW programs, too.

I also have RSI and I really don't want to be farting around with PhotoshopCS, when I could just setup one of the afore-mentioned programs to batch-process a group of images to some basic, specified settings and give my hands a break from the PC.

I am presuming that if pros like Mr Rouse don't need to fiddle with Photoshop, then mastering the camera should eliminate the need for intense post processing. Any thoughts on that?
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If you want just processing your pictures you will be fine with NC. But if you do not right now you will want some creativity. And that is when PS comes into play. BTW Nikon has announced new software coming out this spring which will be more powerfull than NC4.4.
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arenaman said:
jeremyInMT said:
I wouldn't get rid of PS CS...you just can't do the masking in NC
that you can in PS CS..."changing color" is a huge huge
thing...there will be many many times when you only need to white
balance certain parts. NC is slow, and hogs memory like crazy and
then tends to crash at the worst times.
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One question: when you get a colour cast, for example snow looks a
bit blue, that's down to white balance, right?

All I want to correct is white balance, sharpening and maybe noise
reduction, all of which can be done using Nikon Capture or Raw
Shooter Premium (as used by Andy Rouse, a pro wildlife
photographer).

I am traditional in that I want the creativity to be with the
camera and the post-processing to be limited to basic correction,
as mentioned above, maybe some colour enhancement, but I believe
this is all in those RAW programs, too.

I also have RSI and I really don't want to be farting around with
PhotoshopCS, when I could just setup one of the afore-mentioned
programs to batch-process a group of images to some basic,
specified settings and give my hands a break from the PC.

I am presuming that if pros like Mr Rouse don't need to fiddle with
Photoshop, then mastering the camera should eliminate the need for
intense post processing. Any thoughts on that?
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are you saying that you are going to do only the exact shooting he does? It seems really silly to get rid of PS CS. Just my opinion.
arenaman said:
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I agree. Though I've just loaded the trial version of NC, as far as I can tell anything you do in it applies to the entire photo. Am I right about that? Not good if the correction that's really needed is to an isolated part.
 
arenaman said:
I am traditional in that I want the creativity to be with the
camera and the post-processing to be limited to basic correction,
as mentioned above, maybe some colour enhancement, but I believe
this is all in those RAW programs, too.
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arenaman said:
I am presuming that if pros like Mr Rouse don't need to fiddle with
Photoshop, then mastering the camera should eliminate the need for
intense post processing. Any thoughts on that?
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I seem to remember some old timer named Adams who had the crazy idea that getting the negative was only half the equation and the rest of the image was the result of darkroom work.

Of course, what did he know? All he shot was simple black and white landscapes. LOL

Bob
 
One more thought. I understand your purist approach, but I would argue that there is nothing at all pure about what the camera's sensor captures before that data has been enhanced by the photographer in PP. What the camera captures is just the result of some subjective judgment calls by some programmers and designers at Nikon. They have their preferences, you have yours. I wouldn't value theirs over yours, if I were you. Then there are the technical limitations of the medium, things like dynamic range. Sometimes the image needs some serious help becoming all it can be.
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Bob Walters said:
arenaman said:
I am traditional in that I want the creativity to be with the
camera and the post-processing to be limited to basic correction,
as mentioned above, maybe some colour enhancement, but I believe
this is all in those RAW programs, too.
Click to expand...
Snip
Bob Walters said:
I am presuming that if pros like Mr Rouse don't need to fiddle with
Photoshop, then mastering the camera should eliminate the need for
intense post processing. Any thoughts on that?
Click to expand...
I seem to remember some old timer named Adams who had the crazy
idea that getting the negative was only half the equation and the
rest of the image was the result of darkroom work.

Of course, what did he know? All he shot was simple black and
white landscapes. LOL
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I appreciate all the replies, but the question is, do colour casts occur because of incorrect white balance?

For example, if you set exposure and white balance correctly, you won't get blue snow, right?

If that's the case (which is what I believe), then if you take a good photograph, all you need is something that can convert RAW files, adjust white and colour balance, maybe shadow/highlights, sharpness and that's about it. Most RAW programs can do this and more and are aimed at pros, not home users.

Frankly, I've practically only used PhotoshopCS for automatic colour balance and occassionally shadow/highlights correction and nothing else.

Like I said, I want to be skilled at photography, not post processing. I want to be out taking great photos, not stuck in front of Photoshop.

All my best photos so far, with my old Fuji S602z, have absolutely no post processing. My father has an old film SLR, and has taken great shots without the need for lots of manual or computerised post processing.

So, one confirmation is what I need... colour casts... are they caused by incorrect white balance, thus easily corrected with any RAW program?
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arenaman said:
I appreciate all the replies, but the question is, do colour casts
occur because of incorrect white balance?
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many times, yes. They also occur because of IR affecting the colors and also because of blowing one channel and not the other two. For instance, blowing the red channel and not blue or green.
arenaman said:
For example, if you set exposure and white balance correctly, you
won't get blue snow, right?
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well, snow isn't pure white in all cases.
arenaman said:
If that's the case (which is what I believe), then if you take a
good photograph, all you need is something that can convert RAW
files, adjust white and colour balance, maybe shadow/highlights,
sharpness and that's about it. Most RAW programs can do this and
more and are aimed at pros, not home users.
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If they are that limited, they are not aimed at only pros. It's not hard to do this.
arenaman said:
Frankly, I've practically only used PhotoshopCS for automatic
colour balance and occassionally shadow/highlights correction and
nothing else.
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well, you should look into it more then. With practice, you can really fly around photoshop. It becomes as much fun as shooting in some cases.
arenaman said:
Like I said, I want to be skilled at photography, not post
processing. I want to be out taking great photos, not stuck in
front of Photoshop.
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I couldn't agree more. Take great photos and have fun with it, but don't cast off PS. It is a great ally. You don't have to use it for every single photo. Try doing Lab mode white balancing in other programs. Fat chance. Lab mode is the quickest way to white balance in 90% of shots. Auto just won't cut it.
arenaman said:
All my best photos so far, with my old Fuji S602z, have absolutely
no post processing. My father has an old film SLR, and has taken
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no post? hardly. your camera was doing the post processing, and was probably pretty heavy handed at it as well.
arenaman said:
great shots without the need for lots of manual or computerised
post processing.
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but every single photo that went to the lab was post-processed in chemicals and so forth. PS is the equivalent of a devloping room.
arenaman said:
So, one confirmation is what I need... colour casts... are they
caused by incorrect white balance, thus easily corrected with any
RAW program?
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Colour casts can be caused by incorrect white balance. But if you think that you can cure all white balances with "auto" or even eye-droppers, you are sadly mistaken, IMO. What you might be looking for is something like Whibal or the like. Do preset white balancing for good results. That's a pain though. Much easier to do WB with NEFs in post than jpgs. In-camera wb on jpg's is a dangerous prospect. You blow a channel using the wrong WB with a jpg, and you are sunk. Do it in NEF and you just change the WB and you are good to go, providing you didn't just blow the channel completely with exposure.

If you don't want to use PS, don't. I won't lose any sleep over it, but you might lose some good pictures because of it, but that's ok with me if it's ok with you. Don't consider PS a slave driver. Consider it a valuable tool that you can learn how to use quickly and efficiently if you get a couple books here and there.

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