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Optical Image Stabilization vs. High ISO

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U Sererra said:
echelon2004 said:
involves carrying things around and doing what is needed to get the
picture.
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Doing what's needed apparently does not include using a lens with
IS, which will get you pictures where a tripod would not.
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Of course it does. But it is not the only way, or always the best way.
Sometimes it is.
U Sererra said:
Nobody's asking you to change the way you take pictures, just to
accept that IS has benefits, maybe not even for your style of
photography but benefits nonetheless. I sense some elitist
'old-school' hairshirt luddism, to be honest.
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That last remark is just childish.
U Sererra said:
Ech, that's probably enough of this discussion. :)
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Yes maybe, insulting me is definately NOT a valid argument;)

But I forgive you, don't worry about it=)

Cheers

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echelon2004 said:
is about IS or high ISO.

I still think high ISO have so many advatages against any existing
IS system that if you have to chose, high ISO would be the prefered
choise.
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I completely agree - higher ISO with no degradation in image quality is a no-brainer more useful thing than IS.
echelon2004 said:
Interesting enough, we started discussing tripods vs IS, that says
something about what IS is...
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Yep. Especially for wide angles.

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usererra
 
i want to put more detail into my original post.....

putting only these conditions into the equation....

1) making only 5x7 prints
2) 50% motion, 50% no-motion pics
3) 50% longest zoom, 50% closest zoom
4) 50% bright sunlight, 50% low light
5) person taking shots has average hand shake

does one or the other have a distinct advantage?
Camera with OIS vs. Camera with no OIS, but distinct high ISO advantage

trying to take the if's and and's out of it, hope this does.
 
FujiFruit said:
1) making only 5x7 prints
2) 50% motion, 50% no-motion pics
3) 50% longest zoom, 50% closest zoom
4) 50% bright sunlight, 50% low light
5) person taking shots has average hand shake
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funny you... all answers you'll find in the posts above.

So, if your 50% motion match the 50% longest zoom and the 50% low light - just take high ISO.

But other than that, buy the two cams, test one against the other and report to us :-))
 
FujiFruit said:
i want to put more detail into my original post.....

putting only these conditions into the equation....

1) making only 5x7 prints
2) 50% motion, 50% no-motion pics
3) 50% longest zoom, 50% closest zoom
4) 50% bright sunlight, 50% low light
5) person taking shots has average hand shake

does one or the other have a distinct advantage?
Camera with OIS vs. Camera with no OIS, but distinct high ISO
advantage

trying to take the if's and and's out of it, hope this does.
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Yes.

An extra couple of high ISO stops will freeze subject motion in those situations where you would otherwise be forced to use a lower shutter speed.

IS will not freeze subject motion.

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echelon2004 said:
But being lazy is not one of them=)
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Now you resort to insult to make a point. Not very professional or mature. There are many reasons not to use a tripod where laziness is not a factor. IS and good technique can do just as well as a tripod and is significantly faster and speed is sometimes necessary. Perhaps you should get off your high horse a bit.
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Leon Wittwer said:
Who said you could only have one? This discussion is getting a bit
far from reality. I really like my 70-200 f/2.8 L IS.
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Two reasons.

1. Cost.

2. Weight.

Take, for example, the Panasonic FZ30. Eight megs, 12x (35 - 420 mm eq.), f2.8 - 3.7, IS lens.

Sells for about $470. Weighs 740 g, 1.6 pounds including lens.

Now price and weigh a comparable package using a dSLR body and lenses.

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Looking forward to a "FZ30" with the Fuji Super CCD sensor.

Now that would be a great travel camera.

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It seems like you are looking for an easy answer where there is none. Value is subjective and the IS versus High ISO question has no easy answer that satisfies everyone. Similar to the JPG vs RAW question. Both are useful and either can work extremely well.

Conventional wisdom says that if you handhold in poorer light and use any amount of zoom, IS is helpful. If you desire to freeze motion, IS is less helpful and higher ISOs become more helpful.

As others mention, having both is ideal. Personally I think that I encounter more high ISO shooting situations than situations where I need IS. So good high ISO performance is important to me. Others may feel the opposite. Neither is right or wrong. It's all about what works best for what you shoot and your shooting style.

I can always find some way of stabilizing the camera/lens (tri/monopod, beanbag, fence, carhood, elbows on the ground, etc....). I can't, however, find ways to freeze action without decent high ISO performance.

If faced with a choice, my choice would be decent high ISO performance. Since 90% of my shots are taken between ISO400 and ISO1600, this makes sense for me.

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And I think you should definitely get off your high horse.

Good day. :-)
echelon2004 said:
that I've written.

If not using tripod because you don't feel like carry one, no, I
don't think that is a good reason.

I have never claimed that there wouldn't be other, very "ligit"
reasons for doing so.

Next time you start accusing someone, make sure you have at least
read the replies properly.
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but the thread is what we would chose if we had to chose=)

At least that is what I though from what the OP asked.

You are one of those that have completely misunderstod what I meant when talking about tripods, all I ever meant was that high ISO would be preferable (for me) as a tripod often can eliminate the need for IS.

Using all three things, high ISO, IS and tripod/monopod together and or in different combinations, is of course the best=)
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echelon2004 said:
You are one of those that have completely misunderstod what I meant
when talking about tripods, all I ever meant was that high ISO
would be preferable (for me) as a tripod often can eliminate the
need for IS.
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As I have used tripods for years, I look on IS as a way to avoid tripods in many situations. Regarding high ISO and IS or tripod, the latter two still provide better image quality as more light is gathered increasing the signal to noise and dynamic range. From an image quality point of view, you always want to maximize the light collected and then use ISO if you still can not get an adequate exposure. Two stops of ISO are not equal to two stops of IS from an image quality point of view.
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