Optical Image Stabilization vs. High ISO

I just got back from Laos and looked at my pictures of the saffron robed monks walking by sitting locals, the locals filling the monks' rice bowls at dawn. The seated people were sharp (OIS) but every monk was blurred (motion). I would have killed for 1600 ISO!
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Alan
 
They are different parameters, it's not that easy to say one or another.

Sometimes you need to go in low ISO due to thesSpeed / aperture couple you like to get. Sometimes there is too much light and 1600 ISO will over reach limit of speed / aperture.

Sometimes, you want a small DOF, so you need to shoot at the aperture of 2 or 3.5, but you might not be able to do so with a setup at 1600 ISO in full light.

OIS is always a good thing when well done. Hgih ISOmight do the trick but not always.
 
don't know,

high ISO less possible porcessed should be. but 1600 ISO I wonder how useful could be in 90% of situation. simple I don't know wich subjets it could make possible for me catch freezed.

but I think that with 'movie modes' implementation you'll have to consider IS simple the standard for digicams... I can assure you videos are not possibles without.

for the starter : if you shake hands and don't won't to do particular shots aim for IS. high ISO is an unclear question now...
 
The whole point of optical IS is to buy yourself a couple of extra
stops. If you can get that with high ISO why do you need IS?
That is true as long as the going to that high-ISO does not degrade your image quality. In practice IS is preferable when the subject is still. When the subject is moving, no IS will help you but high-ISO will.
  • Zak
 
The whole point of optical IS is to buy yourself a couple of extra
stops.
If you can get that with high ISO why do you need IS?
If you have a stationary subject, the two stops will give you an extra stop of signal above noise than the ISO upped a couple of stops. To minimize noise and maximize dynamic range, you first maximize the light collected which is done by using ISO to lower shutter speeds. If that does not give an adequate exposure, then you up the ISO.
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Leon
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the poster wants to know what is better: taking a pic let's say
(a) with ISO 400, no OIS at 1/30 or
(b) with ISO 1600, OIS at 1/125?

Answer - easy version:

By (a) you may get an advantage for static subjects (low ISO = more photons on sensor)

By (b) you get moving subjects easier without blur (due to shorter shutter speed)

Answer get's a bit more complicate (or individual) if you also take into account image quality (noise at high ISO), image seize, handshake level of someone, wanted subject movement and maybe some other factors.

Is that right now?
Eric
 
Answer get's a bit more complicate (or individual) if you also take
into account image quality (noise at high ISO)...
I think the real question is, which is more of an advantage, maintaining image quality at high ISO, or IS... of course it depends on the use and it's a pain that we can't have both in a compact.
 
which is more likely to give you the shot, high ISO or IS?
If you can't get the shot, quality doesn't matter.

It all comes down to what you shoot, but IS is not a viable option for moving objects, and if they aren't moving, we can use tripod. To stop movement we need short shutter times, and when we have our brightest glass, ISO is the only thing left=)
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Anders

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It all comes down to what you shoot, but IS is not a viable option
for moving objects, and if they aren't moving, we can use tripod.
There are a lot of places where tripods are not allowed or can not
be used for other reasons.
Fair argument. And sometimes a trouble.
Also, tripods are bulky and
inconvenient to carry and just slow you down where IS does not.
NOT a valid argument=)

Inconvinience is not a reason that I'd consider worthy of adding to an equation. You need to use a tripod and it is allowed, you bring it, and use it. Period.

But IS still won't help if the target is moving, which for many of us, is the reality.

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Anders

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Inconvinience is not a reason that I'd consider worthy of adding to
an equation.
You could say the same when evaluating electric windows instead of hand-wound, central heating instead of big wooly jumpers, nail gun instead of hammer, beating sheets against a rock instead of washing machine, baking your own bread instead of buying it from a bakery, aperture priority instead of full manual, etc etc.

Convenience is definitely a valid factor.

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usererra
 
Also, tripods are bulky and
inconvenient to carry and just slow you down where IS does not.
NOT a valid argument=)
Inconvinience is not a reason that I'd consider worthy of adding to
an equation. You need to use a tripod and it is allowed, you bring
it, and use it. Period.
Having just returned from six weeks of trooping around SEA I certainly see the tripod issue with different eyes than you.

Anything that lightens my load and simplifies getting my shots better serves my needs. Carrying and setting up a tripod just isn't very appealing.

(Quite difficult to use a tripod while atop an elephant, for example.... ;o)
But IS still won't help if the target is moving, which for many of
us, is the reality.
Yep. But notice how you identified a subset of photographers who have their own needs.

Please consider the needs of other subsets.

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The whole point of optical IS is to buy yourself a couple of extra
stops.
If you can get that with high ISO why do you need IS?
... both?

High ISO and IS.

A couple of stops here, a couple of stops there, before long you've got four stops.

Will the IS stops freeze subject motion?

Nope. But they will help me get a shot of a wall mural in a dimly lit temple without having to use a tripod.

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bob

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Also, tripods are bulky and
inconvenient to carry and just slow you down where IS does not.
NOT a valid argument=)
Inconvinience is not a reason that I'd consider worthy of adding to
an equation. You need to use a tripod and it is allowed, you bring
it, and use it. Period.
Having just returned from six weeks of trooping around SEA I
certainly see the tripod issue with different eyes than you.

Anything that lightens my load and simplifies getting my shots
better serves my needs. Carrying and setting up a tripod just
isn't very appealing.

(Quite difficult to use a tripod while atop an elephant, for
example.... ;o)
But IS still won't help if the target is moving, which for many of
us, is the reality.
Yep. But notice how you identified a subset of photographers who
have their own needs.

Please consider the needs of other subsets.
All I said was that tripods being inconvenient and bulky/heavy, isn't a valid reason not to use one.
There are other factors that are valid, I haven't denied that.

But being lazy is not one of them=)

Cheers
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Anders

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http://www.teamexcalibur.se/excalibursida4a.html

event photography and photo journalism
 
Also, tripods are bulky and
inconvenient to carry and just slow you down where IS does not.
NOT a valid argument=)
Inconvinience is not a reason that I'd consider worthy of adding to
an equation. You need to use a tripod and it is allowed, you bring
it, and use it. Period.
Having just returned from six weeks of trooping around SEA I
certainly see the tripod issue with different eyes than you.

Anything that lightens my load and simplifies getting my shots
better serves my needs. Carrying and setting up a tripod just
isn't very appealing.

(Quite difficult to use a tripod while atop an elephant, for
example.... ;o)
But IS still won't help if the target is moving, which for many of
us, is the reality.
Yep. But notice how you identified a subset of photographers who
have their own needs.

Please consider the needs of other subsets.
All I said was that tripods being inconvenient and bulky/heavy,
isn't a valid reason not to use one.
There are other factors that are valid, I haven't denied that.

But being lazy is not one of them=)
All of us are required to walk our miles in your shoes.

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bob

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involves carrying things around and doing what is needed to get the
picture.
Doing what's needed apparently does not include using a lens with IS, which will get you pictures where a tripod would not.

Nobody's asking you to change the way you take pictures, just to accept that IS has benefits, maybe not even for your style of photography but benefits nonetheless. I sense some elitist 'old-school' hairshirt luddism, to be honest.

Ech, that's probably enough of this discussion. :)

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usererra
 

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