Bob D.61978
Active member
Phil's added 8 more cards including the Ridata 512MB. Here's a link:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/default.asp
--Bob
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/mediacompare/default.asp
--Bob
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Digital film comparison updated
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Vasa Carapic
Forum Enthusiast
Bob you beat me, I wanted to be the first to write it.
Very pleased how Ridata is shaping, as Type I - on top of the leather.
Strangely enough I was at Ritek recently to officialy declare the speed on the card by printing on the package. And started to receive new packages shiped to me with clear marking of 16X (128MB) and 20X speed (256MB) -
Phil didn't know about it - so that confirms me too that he is spot on.
Vasa
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Very pleased how Ridata is shaping, as Type I - on top of the leather.
Strangely enough I was at Ritek recently to officialy declare the speed on the card by printing on the package. And started to receive new packages shiped to me with clear marking of 16X (128MB) and 20X speed (256MB) -
Phil didn't know about it - so that confirms me too that he is spot on.
Vasa
[email protected]
K
Kyriakos
Guest
Is higher capacity playing a role in the speed of the card?
If so, this test gets very confusing adding the capacity factor in addition to the different camera factor. Therefore I find the conclusions very generalized and not applying to other cameras except to the ones mentioned in this test.
It should test 128MB ONLY or 256 ONLY or 512 ONLY cards with a broader range of cameras (8-10 different brands and models). That would be more close to reality. How many of you here have high end Canon 1Ds and D30s? Do I have to spend $3000-$5000 to juice out the speed of the cards? How about some run of the mill Kodaks, Fujis, Epsons, Canons, Olympus and other cameras?
Let's compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges.
If so, this test gets very confusing adding the capacity factor in addition to the different camera factor. Therefore I find the conclusions very generalized and not applying to other cameras except to the ones mentioned in this test.
It should test 128MB ONLY or 256 ONLY or 512 ONLY cards with a broader range of cameras (8-10 different brands and models). That would be more close to reality. How many of you here have high end Canon 1Ds and D30s? Do I have to spend $3000-$5000 to juice out the speed of the cards? How about some run of the mill Kodaks, Fujis, Epsons, Canons, Olympus and other cameras?
Let's compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges.
Kansas Ron
Veteran Member
I think that neither is Phil going to go out and buy all the cards and cameras you suggest, nor are the manufacturers going to send a variety of cards. Phil's tests are meant to be a guideline, not an absolute buy this brand/size only. He is trying to give information to us and we should all be thankful for it. For the user, maybe a really good deal on a slower card will be satisfactory. Not every user will need the fastest card (I say need, rather than want). I appreciate Phil's test.
Thanks for all your efforts Phil.
Thanks for all your efforts Phil.
D
Donald Cooper
Guest
I agree that the tests are really great, especially since I haven't seen this type of information anywhere. Truly a service! Thank you thank you Phil.
That said, and though I know squat about flash memory storage, I shouldn't think that the size of the drive would matter much, unless you were at the limits of its storage capacity or something like that. Now without going down the road of diminishing returns too far, it would be interesting if Phil could run one test -- between two cards of different capacities -- just to see if that made a difference.
That said, and though I know squat about flash memory storage, I shouldn't think that the size of the drive would matter much, unless you were at the limits of its storage capacity or something like that. Now without going down the road of diminishing returns too far, it would be interesting if Phil could run one test -- between two cards of different capacities -- just to see if that made a difference.
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Phil Askey
Guest
HUH? I went to A LOT OF TROUBLE to cover lots of different types of card on four different devices which will in general represent the different types of camera used:
Coolpix 995 - most consumer and prosumer digital cameras
EOS-D30 - D30, S1 Pro etc.
EOS-1D - 1D, D1X, D1h etc.
The idea behind testing different capacities is to allow people to see that larger cards don't necessarily perform less than smaller cards. I'm sorry you felt 'overloaded' but all the information you need is there.
Coolpix 995 - most consumer and prosumer digital cameras
EOS-D30 - D30, S1 Pro etc.
EOS-1D - 1D, D1X, D1h etc.
The idea behind testing different capacities is to allow people to see that larger cards don't necessarily perform less than smaller cards. I'm sorry you felt 'overloaded' but all the information you need is there.
And I certainly appreciate it too. Your thoroughness shows. Not all can be pleased but I suspect most are.
Thanks again for the info. It's helped me with a realtime issue.
Thanks again for the info. It's helped me with a realtime issue.
K
Kyriakos
Guest
Phil
Irrelevantly to HOW MUCH TROUBLE you went to, the matter of the fact is that this test is not the quality test we are accustomed to have from you, for reasons I have already explained.
On another matter, I think I have the right to have a critical view on something you write and you don't need to react like this as I have insulted you, because I have not. You also do not need all these "how nice Phil is" flatterers around you that sprout every time some one makes a criticism on what you write. If you do not want different opinions or criticism, just state it loud and clear and honestly I will respect your will.
Irrelevantly to HOW MUCH TROUBLE you went to, the matter of the fact is that this test is not the quality test we are accustomed to have from you, for reasons I have already explained.
On another matter, I think I have the right to have a critical view on something you write and you don't need to react like this as I have insulted you, because I have not. You also do not need all these "how nice Phil is" flatterers around you that sprout every time some one makes a criticism on what you write. If you do not want different opinions or criticism, just state it loud and clear and honestly I will respect your will.
Leo Chenir
Member
Wow! I'm becoming more and more satisfied with my two viking 128Ms, either of which is got at around $30 after rebate during two different deal seasons.
what do you expect?
to test all current cameras? Let's say about 50 in the last 18month.
there are are more than 10 different flash card manufacturers. each of them offers maybe 4 different sizes or models.
50*10*4 = 2000 tests. Hey Phil, can you do that until tomorrow?
Seriously, I think the test offers a good overview of current flash card performance with 3 different camera types and probably was a lot of work to do. Maybe adding camera, representing the low end area( $300) would be an idea? Though I am not sure if that would add any new conclusions.
just my 2 cents...feel free to keep them
Best regards,
Sebastian
cheers,
Sebastian
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Phil Askey
Guest
Thanks, actually I did tests of 16 cards on 4 different devices, 2 tests per device all repeated 3 times to get an average result, total so far:
384 tests
384 tests
what do you expect?
to test all current cameras? Let's say about 50 in the last 18month.
there are are more than 10 different flash card manufacturers. each
of them offers maybe 4 different sizes or models.
50*10*4 = 2000 tests. Hey Phil, can you do that until tomorrow?
Seriously, I think the test offers a good overview of current flash
card performance with 3 different camera types and probably was a
lot of work to do. Maybe adding camera, representing the low end
area( $300) would be an idea? Though I am not sure if that would
add any new conclusions.
just my 2 cents...feel free to keep them
Best regards,
Sebastian
cheers,
Sebastian
Robert Burkhalter
Leading Member
Phil,
I didn't see an answer to the question above, so I'll ask also: In your opinion, or in your tests, did you encounter anything which suggests the speed for a 128MB card would be different from the speed of a 256MB card, or 512MB card -- assuming the manufacturers of these different-sized cards are the same and the speed factors (like in Lexar, are the same, say for instance "12x")
??
and thanks for doing the tests.
Bob
I didn't see an answer to the question above, so I'll ask also: In your opinion, or in your tests, did you encounter anything which suggests the speed for a 128MB card would be different from the speed of a 256MB card, or 512MB card -- assuming the manufacturers of these different-sized cards are the same and the speed factors (like in Lexar, are the same, say for instance "12x")
??
and thanks for doing the tests.
Bob
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Phil Askey
Guest
I don't understand why you can't look at the results and answer this question for yourself.
Robert Burkhalter
Leading Member
Oops, you've got some data on that I didn't notice the first time thru. Looking as closely as I can, I'm seeing the kind of data I was looking for only for the Viking card and there seems to be a tendency for the smaller Viking to perform a little faster than the larger Viking. And it doesn't look like a killer of a difference.
Thanks for the nudge.
oh, can I assume anything from the Viking performance in terms of other manufacturers? (I always get in trouble when I assume stuff)
Bryan Biggers has collected data about CF card speeds with the Dimage 7 on his website. Its at http://webpages.charter.net/bbiggers/DCExperiments/html/dimage_flash_card_speeds.html
Perhaps we should have a easy standardized test methodology which we can distribute. Then people can report on CF card speeds for a variety of brands on a variety of cameras.
Joo
Perhaps we should have a easy standardized test methodology which we can distribute. Then people can report on CF card speeds for a variety of brands on a variety of cameras.
Joo
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