Complaint: D1X is too heavy, et al.

...... its a toy strickly for the amateurs out there.
Say WHAT!!!!!!!

Hey, Stephen, most pro's have used Polaroid backs for the medium/large format cameras for many years now for the purpose of reviewing shots/lighting etc. I find it indispensible - especially at weddings for reviewing images and is one of the many (many, many) reasons why I shoot digitally.

However, if a weight lifter finds the D1X far too heavy, all I can think is that he was lifting weights filled with helium. After running round at weddings with a caseful of medium format lenses, spare bodies/backs etc, the D1X is an absolutely joy to run around with.

Carol

(AKA Iva Headache ;)
 
However, if a weight lifter finds the D1X far too heavy, all I can
think is that he was lifting weights filled with helium. After
running round at weddings with a caseful of medium format lenses,
spare bodies/backs etc, the D1X is an absolutely joy to run around
with.
Yes - but I HAVE BEEN RUNING AROUNd with a CP990 and an E10 for the last two years - so I'm building muSCLE AS WE SPESK.
 
Anyone with a toothache is bound to be out of sorts. Maybe a little bran in the diet would help, too.

And tell me true, Iva - are you really pretty enough to be considered a cheerleader on anyone's team (well, maybe the Packers - I hear their cheerleaders graze at halftime).
Cheery-bye.
I would rather be a critic than a cheerleader any day.
You must have a terrible life. I can only imagine what it must be
like to look for the negative in any, and all things in life. You
truly have my sympathy.

Steve
 
Yes - but I HAVE BEEN RUNING AROUNd with a CP990 and an E10 for the
last two years - so I'm building muSCLE AS WE SPESK.
I was using my muscle stimulator machine and trying to type the above at the same time - I'm not good at typing at the best of times - !!! The jerks made me do this (the above) I had the pads on my upper arms and if you know these machines one has involuntary arm movements when the current is running.
 
You signed your message "Bleck" is that your real name?

Or is Iva Toothache your name.

I find little credibility with messages from aliases...

argh...
 
And you, my friend, ignore your own bad math. As weight is an ergonomic issue, and you have made a point of this vis-a-vis the 1D, my claim still stands. That is one complaint that I directly addressed. That is your "complaint" that I directly addressed. My comment regarding features is that the D1 family has more features than the D30 or the Fuji S1, both of which are lighter than the D1 series or the Canon 1D. That does NOT sound like blithely ignoring you, but you seem to have completely ignored the weight issue, which is what I addressed. Specificaly, as to your weight complaint, the D1 series is heavier than the D30 or the S1 and is lighter than the Canon 1D, a fact which you not only misquoted in your own post but have refused to acknowledge here.

Now, to your other complaints, nowhere did you see me support the "it's always been that way" notion. In fact, I agree with you. But, it will be economics of the marketplace that dictate a change in this direction. Perhaps next years Kodak/Oly system will address this, we will have to wait and see.

And, just to retierate, I was addressing specifically your weight complaint.
You want lighter, more "ergonomic", get a Fuji S1 or a D30. Still
more features than an E-10 and, yes, lighter and less features than
a D1X.
As to ergonomics, I don't care whether SLRs have been made this way
for five decades or five centuries; it can be done better. OLY's
e-10 is done right, e.g. I understand the new Canon 1D handles
better, is lighter. So you folks who say "it's always been this
way" (a la "The Lottery") don't provide a convincing argument, to
me at least.
D1X is too heavy. Damn fine camera, but it's too damn heavy. I have
found no carrying configuration that is comfortable. While I'm
venting, let me add this: Nikon needs to redesign this camera. It's
clunky. I bet we'll look back on this thing two years from now and
won't want to touch it with a ten foot poll, once more ergonomic
models are the norm.

I don't know about you all, but I'm TIRED of squishing my nose up
against the LCD screen. Yuck!

Also, does anyone like having to rotate portrait shots manually via
software? I do NOT. 5k camera, and Nikon can't auto rotate, or
offer an option to?

Bleck!
 
Ken, I pulled those numbers right off the "camera side-by-side" comparison here on DPreview.
1D battery would be: 59oz - 2.8lb = 14.2oz
D1X battery would be: 42.3oz - 2.5lb = 2.3oz

From dpreview info on the D1x I found. 1200g - with battery. 1.1kg
without. Hence:
1200g - 1.1kg = 3.5oz

which is still does not seem right to me. I don't have a scale,
but I suspect the weight of the d1x battery is being
mis-represented. In any case, we all know the D1x will still be
lighter (grin).
  • Ken
D1X is too heavy. Damn fine camera, but it's too damn heavy. I have
found no carrying configuration that is comfortable. While I'm
venting, let me add this: Nikon needs to redesign this camera. It's
clunky. I bet we'll look back on this thing two years from now and
won't want to touch it with a ten foot poll, once more ergonomic
models are the norm.

I don't know about you all, but I'm TIRED of squishing my nose up
against the LCD screen. Yuck!

Also, does anyone like having to rotate portrait shots manually via
software? I do NOT. 5k camera, and Nikon can't auto rotate, or
offer an option to?

Bleck!
 
Oh, you tie credibility to names, eh? Well, that's very bright of you (NOT).

Okay, here goes, Pete:

My real name is John Williams.

My real name is Pete Rogers.

My real name is George Winston.

My real name is Herman Moore.

How do they sound, Pete? Would you have questioned those names?

Duh.
You signed your message "Bleck" is that your real name?

Or is Iva Toothache your name.

I find little credibility with messages from aliases...

argh...
 
Iva, you are the weightlifter who can't carry this camera? I don't care what you say you can lift, you are a whimp.

Now, done with the name calling.

Even the advanced amateurs among us carry equipment to master many different environments and shooting situations. To date, no one has invented a "one size fits all" camera, in either film or digital. If that is what you are looking for, then you need to be prepared for compromize.

By the way, since you decided to be rude here, what do you plan to do with the "super camera"? And, if you are so right, why are you not out gathering the VC funds to build such a beast? Sounds like the masses should be running to your door.
Ha! I don't care how many books you've written, that doesn't make
you right. Show me a pro photographer that likes carrying a 50
pound pack and I'll show you one that doesn't have neck and back
problems.
I'm amused. The weight of the camera is the least of the worries of
a professional photographer. I'm generally carrying a 50-pound pack
with all my equipment when I'm photographing. Even the very
lightest photo kit (35mm) I've hiked with was slightly over 10
pounds.

Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com
 
Bill,

I decided to be rude? Any rude comment of mine, my friend, you'd better read in context. I am only rude when someone is rude to me.

Any questions?
Now, done with the name calling.

Even the advanced amateurs among us carry equipment to master many
different environments and shooting situations. To date, no one
has invented a "one size fits all" camera, in either film or
digital. If that is what you are looking for, then you need to be
prepared for compromize.

By the way, since you decided to be rude here, what do you plan to
do with the "super camera"? And, if you are so right, why are you
not out gathering the VC funds to build such a beast? Sounds like
the masses should be running to your door.
Ha! I don't care how many books you've written, that doesn't make
you right. Show me a pro photographer that likes carrying a 50
pound pack and I'll show you one that doesn't have neck and back
problems.
I'm amused. The weight of the camera is the least of the worries of
a professional photographer. I'm generally carrying a 50-pound pack
with all my equipment when I'm photographing. Even the very
lightest photo kit (35mm) I've hiked with was slightly over 10
pounds.

Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com
 
MPD - Multiple Personality Disorder.

I guess that explains why you ignore what you wish.

I'd like to point out that I beleive this to be nothing more than a troll message, started by a troll.
Okay, here goes, Pete:

My real name is John Williams.

My real name is Pete Rogers.

My real name is George Winston.

My real name is Herman Moore.

How do they sound, Pete? Would you have questioned those names?

Duh.
You signed your message "Bleck" is that your real name?

Or is Iva Toothache your name.

I find little credibility with messages from aliases...

argh...
 
What the f* is a troll? And who cares, anyway -- other than you?
I guess that explains why you ignore what you wish.

I'd like to point out that I beleive this to be nothing more than a
troll message, started by a troll.
Okay, here goes, Pete:

My real name is John Williams.

My real name is Pete Rogers.

My real name is George Winston.

My real name is Herman Moore.

How do they sound, Pete? Would you have questioned those names?

Duh.
You signed your message "Bleck" is that your real name?

Or is Iva Toothache your name.

I find little credibility with messages from aliases...

argh...
 
Troll - out who sets out a message with the intent of causing the equivalent of a "flame war"
Troll - an obnoxious being who lives under a bridge

And as to who cares, rude obnoxious folks like yourself certainly don't.

What you started as a very pertinent set of questions, you have turned into a name-calling pile of garbage. I doubt that this will have any effect on you, but, to be honest, it makes me feel better.
I guess that explains why you ignore what you wish.

I'd like to point out that I beleive this to be nothing more than a
troll message, started by a troll.
Okay, here goes, Pete:

My real name is John Williams.

My real name is Pete Rogers.

My real name is George Winston.

My real name is Herman Moore.

How do they sound, Pete? Would you have questioned those names?

Duh.
You signed your message "Bleck" is that your real name?

Or is Iva Toothache your name.

I find little credibility with messages from aliases...

argh...
 
Hello Iva,

Think about it, you have just purchased a tool actually meant for a serious Professional and now you are complaining it's too heavy for you. Give us all a break Iva, you are sounding a little foolish.

It's as if you purchased a Formula 1 racing car and now you are complaining it goes too fast and the suspension is too hard and the ride not soft enough for you. You should not even have an automobile like that in the first place, but you could afford it so someone sold it to you. It's the same for the D1x camera, you have the disposable money so someone sold it to you.

You should not have purchased that camera in the first place it was not really meant for the general photographing public. It sounds as if the D1x will be hopelessly under used in your care. Like a little used automobile owned by an old person I suspose ; )

If the camera is too much for you Iva I suggest you return it while you can and go back to one of the consumer models made specifically for the general public. There are many light weight models available, Nikon even make several that would fit the bill.

And Iva we are not just accepting what's best, personally I have come from a 40 year history of using Nikon products and the D1x fits in quite nicely as a continuation in their line of professional cameras.

Everything in this Universe can be improved Iva, including you ; )

Stephen
It's an object. YES, it CAN be improved, and in many ways. I named
but a few. Let start really being constructive and point out the
OTHER WAYS. There are many.

I would rather be a critic than a cheerleader any day.
D1X is too heavy. Damn fine camera, but it's too damn heavy. I have
found no carrying configuration that is comfortable. While I'm
venting, let me add this: Nikon needs to redesign this camera. It's
clunky. I bet we'll look back on this thing two years from now and
won't want to touch it with a ten foot poll, once more ergonomic
models are the norm.

I don't know about you all, but I'm TIRED of squishing my nose up
against the LCD screen. Yuck!

Also, does anyone like having to rotate portrait shots manually via
software? I do NOT. 5k camera, and Nikon can't auto rotate, or
offer an option to?

Bleck!
 
First example "Ha! I don't care how many books you've written", your own words. You accused me of ignoring your other ergonimic issues when I only addressed one, the weight, and your incorrect statement about the 1D, which you didn't respond to. That is rude, and avoidance of the comment. This indicates to me that you don't care if anyone else has any other opinion, you will ignore them to your own end. That is rude. It is you who did that, did someone else decide to say those things for you?

"Funny. I happen to be a weight lifter and would wager that I could bench more than you. " Off topic, rude to the point of ridiculing the original poster. Again, your own words.

"Also, you're blithely ignoring my other complaints about this camera. Mark my words: This baby will be obsolete ergonomically very quickly." And you, Iva, are being rude by completely ignoring the error which was pointed out to you regarding the weight.

"From "whining" comes innovation and change. So live with it. If no one ever "whined," we'd all be wearing wooden shoes. You still like those, baby?" Nice thing to call the poster. Once again, you don't answer his question as to why you bought the camera knowing the specs and obviously not liking the ergonimics. Again, rude in not acknowledging his point of view or in answering his questions.

Looks to me as if it is you who started the "rude" issues, and no one else. Although, most unfortunately, I doubt that you will acknowledge this either.
I decided to be rude? Any rude comment of mine, my friend,
you'd better read in context. I am only rude when someone is
rude to me.

Any questions?
Now, done with the name calling.

Even the advanced amateurs among us carry equipment to master many
different environments and shooting situations. To date, no one
has invented a "one size fits all" camera, in either film or
digital. If that is what you are looking for, then you need to be
prepared for compromize.

By the way, since you decided to be rude here, what do you plan to
do with the "super camera"? And, if you are so right, why are you
not out gathering the VC funds to build such a beast? Sounds like
the masses should be running to your door.
Ha! I don't care how many books you've written, that doesn't make
you right. Show me a pro photographer that likes carrying a 50
pound pack and I'll show you one that doesn't have neck and back
problems.
I'm amused. The weight of the camera is the least of the worries of
a professional photographer. I'm generally carrying a 50-pound pack
with all my equipment when I'm photographing. Even the very
lightest photo kit (35mm) I've hiked with was slightly over 10
pounds.

Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com
 
Good points, Stephen. Iva, where has anyone here said that the D1 series cannot be improved? All that people have commented on is a) it is not the heaviest thing in the world b) many of us don't find it that ergonimically annoying c) you should have know much of this before spending your $5,000.

But I'll be darned if I can find where someone here has said that this is the perfect solution to anything.
Think about it, you have just purchased a tool actually meant for a
serious Professional and now you are complaining it's too heavy for
you. Give us all a break Iva, you are sounding a little foolish.

It's as if you purchased a Formula 1 racing car and now you are
complaining it goes too fast and the suspension is too hard and the
ride not soft enough for you. You should not even have an
automobile like that in the first place, but you could afford it so
someone sold it to you. It's the same for the D1x camera, you have
the disposable money so someone sold it to you.

You should not have purchased that camera in the first place it was
not really meant for the general photographing public. It sounds
as if the D1x will be hopelessly under used in your care. Like a
little used automobile owned by an old person I suspose ; )

If the camera is too much for you Iva I suggest you return it
while you can and go back to one of the consumer models made
specifically for the general public. There are many light weight
models available, Nikon even make several that would fit the bill.

And Iva we are not just accepting what's best, personally I have
come from a 40 year history of using Nikon products and the D1x
fits in quite nicely as a continuation in their line of
professional cameras.

Everything in this Universe can be improved Iva, including you ; )

Stephen
It's an object. YES, it CAN be improved, and in many ways. I named
but a few. Let start really being constructive and point out the
OTHER WAYS. There are many.

I would rather be a critic than a cheerleader any day.
D1X is too heavy. Damn fine camera, but it's too damn heavy. I have
found no carrying configuration that is comfortable. While I'm
venting, let me add this: Nikon needs to redesign this camera. It's
clunky. I bet we'll look back on this thing two years from now and
won't want to touch it with a ten foot poll, once more ergonomic
models are the norm.

I don't know about you all, but I'm TIRED of squishing my nose up
against the LCD screen. Yuck!

Also, does anyone like having to rotate portrait shots manually via
software? I do NOT. 5k camera, and Nikon can't auto rotate, or
offer an option to?

Bleck!
 
This troll (check out some of his/her other posts like the one in the Canon forum where his innocuous heading is "Why I didn't buy the D30" which was also warmly received) needs to start bench pressing his D1X. He's getting too fat. According to his posting profile he already trolled with the D1X weight topic 2 months ago. Must be running out of ideas.
And as to who cares, rude obnoxious folks like yourself certainly
don't.

What you started as a very pertinent set of questions, you have
turned into a name-calling pile of garbage. I doubt that this will
have any effect on you, but, to be honest, it makes me feel better.
I guess that explains why you ignore what you wish.

I'd like to point out that I beleive this to be nothing more than a
troll message, started by a troll.
Okay, here goes, Pete:

My real name is John Williams.

My real name is Pete Rogers.

My real name is George Winston.

My real name is Herman Moore.

How do they sound, Pete? Would you have questioned those names?

Duh.
You signed your message "Bleck" is that your real name?

Or is Iva Toothache your name.

I find little credibility with messages from aliases...

argh...
 
I guess this proves that simple registration doesn't weed them all out, eh? But then, reading the Carol Steele/Ger Bee/Muscle Stimulator thread above makes it worthwhile :-).

Thanks, robert.
And as to who cares, rude obnoxious folks like yourself certainly
don't.

What you started as a very pertinent set of questions, you have
turned into a name-calling pile of garbage. I doubt that this will
have any effect on you, but, to be honest, it makes me feel better.
I guess that explains why you ignore what you wish.

I'd like to point out that I beleive this to be nothing more than a
troll message, started by a troll.
Okay, here goes, Pete:

My real name is John Williams.

My real name is Pete Rogers.

My real name is George Winston.

My real name is Herman Moore.

How do they sound, Pete? Would you have questioned those names?

Duh.
You signed your message "Bleck" is that your real name?

Or is Iva Toothache your name.

I find little credibility with messages from aliases...

argh...
 
I second that.

Signed,

Abraham Lincoln
Thanks, robert.
And as to who cares, rude obnoxious folks like yourself certainly
don't.

What you started as a very pertinent set of questions, you have
turned into a name-calling pile of garbage. I doubt that this will
have any effect on you, but, to be honest, it makes me feel better.
I guess that explains why you ignore what you wish.

I'd like to point out that I beleive this to be nothing more than a
troll message, started by a troll.
Okay, here goes, Pete:

My real name is John Williams.

My real name is Pete Rogers.

My real name is George Winston.

My real name is Herman Moore.

How do they sound, Pete? Would you have questioned those names?

Duh.
You signed your message "Bleck" is that your real name?

Or is Iva Toothache your name.

I find little credibility with messages from aliases...

argh...
 

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