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I posted this 9 days ago about what a guy in Nikon Hong Kong told me.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=17010648

He was dead right! Nikon did make an offfical statement about 1 week later! It proved that I was no troll!!

By the way, I have my D200 fixed in less than a week!!Very impressive service! My D200 had mild Type II (or what Nikon now call long banding). It has only got very mild type I banding and is totally acceptable.

The guy (manager?) also told me this time:

1)ASA 400 - ASA 800 is the most critical ASA to get banding. Any higher or lower ASA is fine.

2) CMOS by designed has 4 channel output and is not affected by this banding issue. CCD design is different and when combined with the 4 channel output, it could show banding.

3) No new DSLR in the coming PMA but there should be some new compact DC

4) I heard indirectly from another source, This guy (from NIkon HK) also believes Nikon is still working on a 100% fix for banding.

Hey, now I know this guy is a good source of information and will tell me what he knows. I am going to ask him for any leak next time if I suspect a new DSLR is coming!

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Hello, I just got back my D200 fixed and it has only got very mild type I banding and is totally acceptable, near the incandescent bulb shooting indoors.

I think yor are right and I hope Nikon continue working in a 100% solution for that issue, but only afraiting if the solution were a new sensor, what are them (Nikon) to do with the former cameras?
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Javier
PD:sorry for my english, is not my mother tongue.
 
I'm sure Nikon is looking into either a more permanent fix or a redesigned CCD from Sony, but I imagine either will take 6-months or more to implement (and at that point it may actually be more realistic to look for a "D200s.")

I'm just interested in seeing more reports like yours from fixed cameras, and see if that'll be good enough for most people.
 
We need more guys like you who has solid info to speak up.

Thanks. M-L.
 
M-L said:
I posted this 9 days ago about what a guy in Nikon Hong Kong told me.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=17010648

He was dead right! Nikon did make an offfical statement about 1
week later! It proved that I was no troll!!
...

Hey, now I know this guy is a good source of information and will
tell me what he knows. I am going to ask him for any leak next time
if I suspect a new DSLR is coming!
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Thanks for the follow-up!

Did you hear anything else about the rumor of Nikon introducing the new Sony CMOS in future D200 models at some point?

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  • Aaron
 
Kenn Hwang said:
I'm just interested in seeing more reports like yours from fixed
cameras, and see if that'll be good enough for most people.
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If you look hard enough in any photo taken by any camera. They all have problem like distortion, CA, noise.. etc In fact, you don't even need to enlarge a photo very much to see distortion, but few people complaint about it. If they are so critical about their photos, they should only shoot prime rather zoom, always use lowest ASA, use tripod rather than VR. How many people who complaint about even the slightest Type I banding actually do that??

Of course Type II banding can be quite bad and is not acceptable but I do have difficulty in understanding why some people can't accept even the slightest TYPE I banding. Anyway, maybe it is just me?

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arobacker said:
Thanks for the follow-up!
Did you hear anything else about the rumor of Nikon introducing the
new Sony CMOS in future D200 models at some point?
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No, and I don't think it is going to happen. If they do that, they will have to call it a new model like D200s. Otherwise, every original D200 user would demand a replacement.

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jrceballos said:
Hello, I just got back my D200 fixed and it has only got very mild
type I banding and is totally acceptable, near the incandescent
bulb shooting indoors.
I think yor are right and I hope Nikon continue working in a 100%
solution for that issue, but only afraiting if the solution were a
new sensor, what are them (Nikon) to do with the former cameras?
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You are right. If they replace the sensor, they probably will just keep it quiet,

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Matthew Lin

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Gary Woodard said:
Nikon very much needs a 100% fix. A thank god you a not a troll.
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At least I can live with the slight banding I have for now. I haven't put my camera to more test yet, but I think if I do see more seriour banding, Nikon will fix it for me.

By the way, I asked the guy in Nikon HK if the banding issue was hurting the sale of D200. He laughted: " We are still struggling to keep up with the demand for both D200 & 18-200mmVR!"

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Matthew Lin

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Vladimer said:
And if they keep quet I will hate them for that... We should have
rights for our 1700$ :)
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I know, but it would be hard for us to prove that they have switched to a new senosr. Nikon would just tell you " Do you by chance also believe there are some ET bodies kept in the Area 51 ?? "

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Matthew Lin

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I just cannot understand that having paid out £ 1200 $ 1700 someone would send their D 200 to Nikon to get the banding fixed and although
when its returned it still has " slight banding" which is totally acceptable.

I have a D70 and each day I read this forum I am more convinced that
buying the D 200 would be a big mistake.

I dont blame those who have bought the camera but I would like to thank you all for beta testing the D 200 thereby helping a lot of people like me save their money for perhaps the D 300, which I'm sure wont have a hint of banding, not even slight, which is still banding and a fault with the camera.
 
I paid just as much for my many zoom lenses like 17-35, 28-70, 80-400 and they all have some degree of optical imperfection. Acceptable or not is very relative. To save me from the weight of all the prime lenses my zooms are replacing, I think the "slight problem" of my zooms is "acceptable". "Acceptable" doesn't mean it is perfect. If there is band-free D200, I would love to have one. There is just no better option for me at the moment.
Brian Gaudion said:
I just cannot understand that having paid out £ 1200 $ 1700 someone
would send their D 200 to Nikon to get the banding fixed and
although
when its returned it still has " slight banding" which is totally
acceptable.

I have a D70 and each day I read this forum I am more convinced that
buying the D 200 would be a big mistake.

I dont blame those who have bought the camera but I would like to
thank you all for beta testing the D 200 thereby helping a lot of
people like me save their money for perhaps the D 300, which I'm
sure wont have a hint of banding, not even slight, which is still
banding and a fault with the camera.
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Regards
Matthew Lin

My photo gallery:
http://www.matthewlin.com
 
M-L,

Did your mate at Nikon mention whether there will be any new Nikon lenses released at PMA (or later that year for that matter)?

Thanks for the information you provided.
 
they won't name it 200s, they will name it 300 and also make a small cosmetic change to the body.
regards - tom
 
Try pointing your D70 at a bright stage light and see if you don't get absurd amounts of blooming. I've seen blooming that will stretch across the entire frame in x and y.

They're electronic devices that have compromises. 4 channel output delivers high frame rates and excellent performance at the expense of occasional minor banding in extreme situations at certain ISOs.

As pointed out, if you have the 'long banding' type, it is fixable under warranty.
Brian Gaudion said:
I just cannot understand that having paid out £ 1200 $ 1700 someone
would send their D 200 to Nikon to get the banding fixed and
although
when its returned it still has " slight banding" which is totally
acceptable.

I have a D70 and each day I read this forum I am more convinced that
buying the D 200 would be a big mistake.

I dont blame those who have bought the camera but I would like to
thank you all for beta testing the D 200 thereby helping a lot of
people like me save their money for perhaps the D 300, which I'm
sure wont have a hint of banding, not even slight, which is still
banding and a fault with the camera.
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