P880 or Sony R1

In my view the R1 can handle the high iso far better than the 880.
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Yep in thad cace you can only buy the P880
the Fuji S9000
or the R1

I must say the R1 will be better for landscape.
bigger censor is less noise + good lens+fast whriting in jepeg.

almost no CA ,good lens,and 10mp is realy nice for landscape.

But limit to use for birds,no long zoom.

Its the best camera of the bunch without doubt.
but also the most prized.
if you can spent the monye buy the R1

The Fuji S9000 is also an verry good camera but have not the low Iso
the F10 F11 Have
so you will be for sure have more noise then with the R1

De P880 you have to ask here becouse I do not used this camera.
so I can coment on this one,all I can say thad the lens is also verry good.

and color is nailt like al the kodaks.

If you have more to spent then $1000
I can deeply recoment the D70S with is an Dslr verry good ergonomics
and the VR 18-200 lens =27-300 in 35 mm format.
but then you are at $1650

so wat camera would I buy,If I am limit to $1000
First place the R1

Second place the S9000

third place somtinge like the p880 sony H1 Fuji F11

now you need to think wat you want to do with your camera.
take an deep breatch sleap one night over.
look in the store,handle them all.
and disite wat you realy want.

I am sure it all wil fall together soon.
good luck in your journye
best wishes demarren.

simonkit said:

Thanks for the extra info

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-- High iso is useful in low light, having said that my main use would be panoramas/landscapes

-- Have to admit Fuji S9000 is very tempting too though, only has 28mm W/A but zooms to 300mm, also has the added option of useable Iso up to 800 - the 24mm of the Kodak though is a big advantage for lanscape photography

DSLR, like the sound of the OLY E-500 but really do think that I couldn't be bothered with carrying around all that equipment - plus the W/A lens (11-22) is more expensive than the cost of the Kodak camera complete !!!

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Using Olympus E-10 F10 H1 D70-s
Website http://demarren.zoto.com/

also if you decite to buy the R1 please take a look here.
just in case.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=17119539

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Demarren
Using Olympus E-10 F10 H1 D70-s
Website http://demarren.zoto.com/

If you look at the specs of these two cameras, it is clear which one will give you cleaner, sharper, better images. The Sony. The two cameras you have mentioned are not even in the same class.

True.

Rob Bernhard said:

If you look at the specs of these two cameras, it is clear which one will give you cleaner, sharper, better images. The Sony. The two cameras you have mentioned are not even in the same class.

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Demarren
Using Olympus E-10 F10 H1 D70-s
Website http://demarren.zoto.com/

I bought the R1 over a number of small-sensor cameras because of the high-ISO capabilities. So far, other than test shots, I have never bothered to switch it from 160 (the lowest setting).

I'm still thrilled with the camera, but the higher ISO levels may be something I could have sacrificed.

True the sony has nice specs, but you pay qite a bit more and it has no video mode. the colors are not as realitic, either.
Kodak is Honda, not Yugo!

the P880 produces excellent results--i have enlarged up to 8x10 and the 8mp quality comes through.

i love to shoot landscapes and portraits, and the accuracy, especially in skin tones, is great.
here's some Zealand snapshots:

Rob Bernhard said:

If you look at the specs of these two cameras, it is clear which
one will give you cleaner, sharper, better images. The Sony. The
two cameras you have mentioned are not even in the same class.

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ferrari is a fair analogy -great machine but is the extra expense worth what you get?

Yugo?? ..cmon

It is amusing how some of the R1 owners feel compelled to justify overspending. I'll make some of you feel better by admiting to you that you have the better machine...

For those who are on the fence checkout: http://www.imaging-resource.com/ . You can compare the pics of the two cameras side by side..

Not a whole lot of difference.

To some of you R1 owners..Don't point out the fact that if you use a magnifying glass you can see the difference in details..It gets boring.

In all seriousness. There are some differences, and there is no denying that the R1 lens is magnificent. It is just a matter of asking yourself if the R1 is worth the additional $500.00 for your needs.

I'm also considering the Sony R1 and other cameras. One reason I am leaning towards the Sony is the larger sensor will produce shallower depth of field compared to the Kodak and Fuji. This is very helpful in portraiture. I know a DSLR with a fast prime lens would be good for this, but my back is tired of hauling around a lot of equipment. With the Fuji you can back up and use the longer end of the zoom to isolate your subject but then your pretty far away from the people. Maybe the Sony R1 and a camera like the Fuji 9500/9000 would be the way to go.

I have no doubt that you can produce nice images with the Kodak camera. But the larger sony sensor is better in every way than the smaller Kodak sensor. It's fundamentally, down to the photon-level better. Bigger photo sites, less noise, better.

Your statement about colors tells of a fundamental missunderstanding of digitial image capture. A camera is a tool. While there may be some bias towards one color or the other in the internal processing algorithms, the use of the RAW file format and an image editing program allows the photographer to choose how much or how little color they want to see. Whereas with film that was done on the print, with digital it's done before the print. Powerful and useful tools.

The Kodak camera has a market, but it doesn't share the same market space as the Sony. It's just that simple.

great comparison pics, which i think are shot in jpg mode. Interesting to see if you think there are benefits in using RAW format from one camera over the other.

When it comes to color, the Kodak as shown is more accurate and a whole lot better. However one review noted that the R1 when shot in Adobe color mode on the camera, then when opening the image on computer to use sRGB, provided the most color accurate results achieved. Can you try this? Thanks!
Your pics show that both are worthy cameras.

of course you are right when you say that any digital picture's colors can be adjusted after the photo is taken.
my point is what the reviews have been highlighting:
the kodak has extremely accurate color right out of the camera.

you can probably get accurate colors out of the sony after software tweaking, too.

Rob Bernhard said:

I have no doubt that you can produce nice images with the Kodak
camera. But the larger sony sensor is better in every way than the
smaller Kodak sensor. It's fundamentally, down to the photon-level
better. Bigger photo sites, less noise, better.

Your statement about colors tells of a fundamental
missunderstanding of digitial image capture. A camera is a tool.
While there may be some bias towards one color or the other in the
internal processing algorithms, the use of the RAW file format and
an image editing program allows the photographer to choose how much
or how little color they want to see. Whereas with film that was
done on the print, with digital it's done before the print.
Powerful and useful tools.

The Kodak camera has a market, but it doesn't share the same market
space as the Sony. It's just that simple.

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I sure wish I could but the R1 stoped working not long after I made that test. It was a gift for someone but had to return it to the dealer.
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this link may be useful for deciding on whether the P880 is the camera for you...

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/P880/P880A12.HTM

If you're willing to spend $1000.00 on a camera, why not go DSLR. You can get an Olympus E-500 with the 2 lens kit for almost $100(US) less than the Sony. Not to mention the Canons and the Nikons that fall in that price range. My advise though would be to wait until the PMA is over. You might regret getting any of them before the new releases are announced.
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Simon
The More You Shoot, The Better You See.
I'd rather look at your photos than test your camera.

Sure the Sony has a great sensor but, at least in Europe, is almost twice as expensive as the P880 (495€ vs 950€). I am now, after a few months with the P880, a great enthusiast of this compact gem!

It's hard to find such a nice wide-angle camera with so much customisable settings and, honestly, shooting in RAW in order to make post-processing brings me back to the old film days!