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F11: Prestige appears to have turned over a new leaf ...
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I had some very good success in the past resolving problems through the BBB and it occurred to me to check the New York site. It offers some clarification on the address and other business names for Prestige Camera as well as the complaint statistics.
http://www.bbbnewyork.org/businessreports/Default.aspx?id=68047
http://www.bbbnewyork.org/businessreports/Default.aspx?id=68047
Shaun Williamson
Senior Member
Beware of people posting phoney promos. Why would someone order a
camera from a supplier with such a bad reputation.
Go on the the published track record of the supplier and ignore glowing
recommendations. They make be completely phoney. Never give a known
cheat a second chance.
camera from a supplier with such a bad reputation.
Go on the the published track record of the supplier and ignore glowing
recommendations. They make be completely phoney. Never give a known
cheat a second chance.
tdkd13
Veteran Member
I found this part interesting:
This firm also does business under the following names. This is not necessarily a complete list.
A&M Photo World
Digital Liquidators LLC
Preferred Photo
Prestige Camera
Regal Camera
Now, why would a company need to do business under at least 6 different names if they are a legitimate business?
Thats actually a rhetorical question so no need to provide 16 other reasons, I know the reason in this case as I have been casually watching this company (A&M Photoworld) for 4 years, after they ripped my mother off when she was buying a camera. They ended up selling her some WAY overpriced accessories and I was not pleased with the replies I was given when attempting to remedy the situation. She ended up keeping the camera as it just grew into a huge hassle.
I purposely removed time2envy from the subject line of this post as the owner of that company has spoken on the matter and this is not a reference to his business.
These other companies listed as AKA's of A&M will always receive bad feedback from me and I will always do what I can to alert others of the type of business they run.
Ted
This firm also does business under the following names. This is not necessarily a complete list.
A&M Photo World
Digital Liquidators LLC
Preferred Photo
Prestige Camera
Regal Camera
Now, why would a company need to do business under at least 6 different names if they are a legitimate business?
Thats actually a rhetorical question so no need to provide 16 other reasons, I know the reason in this case as I have been casually watching this company (A&M Photoworld) for 4 years, after they ripped my mother off when she was buying a camera. They ended up selling her some WAY overpriced accessories and I was not pleased with the replies I was given when attempting to remedy the situation. She ended up keeping the camera as it just grew into a huge hassle.
I purposely removed time2envy from the subject line of this post as the owner of that company has spoken on the matter and this is not a reference to his business.
These other companies listed as AKA's of A&M will always receive bad feedback from me and I will always do what I can to alert others of the type of business they run.
Ted
God I'm so sick of you "Camera Police". Why don't you go into law enforcement or something. By now if you read all of this thread your two cents worth is is worth much less than that.
Let's see, the big problem is that Prestige tries to sell you overpriced peripherals like batteries and memory cards. So just say no thanks I just want the camera. Oh the anguish and agony to do that. I may not live. Call a doctor, please.
Grow up. These guys are practically giving the camera away, of course they're going to upsell you. Bottom line just say you want the camera and thats what you'll get. As for the ratings, whether they're good or bad, I don't know any of those people so why should I trust what any of them say? All I know is I got mine from them with no hassle.
Let's see, the big problem is that Prestige tries to sell you overpriced peripherals like batteries and memory cards. So just say no thanks I just want the camera. Oh the anguish and agony to do that. I may not live. Call a doctor, please.
Grow up. These guys are practically giving the camera away, of course they're going to upsell you. Bottom line just say you want the camera and thats what you'll get. As for the ratings, whether they're good or bad, I don't know any of those people so why should I trust what any of them say? All I know is I got mine from them with no hassle.
pufftissue
Well-known member
Well, I am a regular guy who bought from prestige and I have posted before about my experience.
They had me call them to confirm the shipping address or something bogus like that and I refused. Ignored them. 3 weeks passed. And the camera showed up at my door with nothing done on my part.
Missing the xd card, but that's it. Otherwise works great.
Horrible company, I got lucky. No doubt. But some people do get their products. I would seriously pay $75 more, though. Never again.
I still reemed them on the reseller ratings anyway.
They had me call them to confirm the shipping address or something bogus like that and I refused. Ignored them. 3 weeks passed. And the camera showed up at my door with nothing done on my part.
Missing the xd card, but that's it. Otherwise works great.
Horrible company, I got lucky. No doubt. But some people do get their products. I would seriously pay $75 more, though. Never again.
I still reemed them on the reseller ratings anyway.
tdkd13
Veteran Member
And I don't know you so why would I trust anything you say.
Since its very hard to tell who you are dealing with on the internet it seems advisable to have places one can go for pertinant information. While ratings sites are not perfect, you can usually tell who is honest and who isnt once the numbers get big enough. If a company has 90% negative feedback that is probably a bad sign, and if they have 90% positive thats probably a good sign.
I already stated my problem with them, they ripped off my mother who was 68 at the time and didn't realize she was being scammed, for that they will always get both barrels whenever I get the chance.
What is curious is that you have admitted you dont use ratings sites and don't care what they say, in fact, your quote was "Who cares about any of this. I have my camera" so why did you even bother to read this thread at all?
I have no interest in shuffleboard so I certainly wouldn't read 75 posts about it only to pipe up at the end that shuffleboard is boring and why are all you people wasting your time writing about it, seems odd.
Hope you enjoyed the read, Ted
Since its very hard to tell who you are dealing with on the internet it seems advisable to have places one can go for pertinant information. While ratings sites are not perfect, you can usually tell who is honest and who isnt once the numbers get big enough. If a company has 90% negative feedback that is probably a bad sign, and if they have 90% positive thats probably a good sign.
I already stated my problem with them, they ripped off my mother who was 68 at the time and didn't realize she was being scammed, for that they will always get both barrels whenever I get the chance.
What is curious is that you have admitted you dont use ratings sites and don't care what they say, in fact, your quote was "Who cares about any of this. I have my camera" so why did you even bother to read this thread at all?
I have no interest in shuffleboard so I certainly wouldn't read 75 posts about it only to pipe up at the end that shuffleboard is boring and why are all you people wasting your time writing about it, seems odd.
Hope you enjoyed the read, Ted
You should look at my earlier post when I stated I got my camera from Prestige a few months ago. I thought I was going to be lynched. I was accused of being a shill for them or lying or worse. I'm sorry about your mother and if it happened to mine I would be out for blood too. I guess my feelings on the matter is that unless you know the risks and know what you're doing you really should'nt buy from any of these places. But if you do, prepare to be burned. Anyway I got my camera minus a memory card. When you factor that in along with a warranty and thier overpriced warrant, it's debatable I saved any money at all. I bought it before I knew about the dealer in Hawaii, that's where I would buy from now.
Gediminas 8
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I mean the one which contains the name of a well-known camera and the word "prestige" next to it, implying that the post offers some new facts about the use or perception of the said camera.
Turns out that the real subject of the thread is just some retailer and the poster's relationship with them.
I have nothing against this topic but find the subject not representative of the contents, that's it.
Regards,
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Mind Expansi0n
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So you basically got ripped off, but don't want to be embarassed so you stick with the "I saved money.... right?!?!". None of us need to debate the merits of Prestige; they are shady, period.
I never said I got ripped off. I have my camera. By the time you add the cost of the memory card (256MB) and warranty you are at about the same price as the other grey marketers who include the 64mb memory card - the difference being I have a bigger memory card and a Mack warranty. Did I save money - well that's a matter of opinion but I did get more for my money. At any rate I went in with my eyes open and I got what I ordered.
What bothers me about these posts is that there seems to be no margin for error given to these companies. What am I to believe when somebody posts that a company is an absolute ripoff and yet my own experience with them is they delivered my order on time with no hassle (I never got my tracking email but a phonecall took care of that). Nobody is perfect and there will always be exceptions to the rule but I have to believe if a company consistantly rips off people then they will get shut down. Before I placed my order I checked my credit card company and they said they would credit my account if something like that happened - which is the only reason I will order from anybody over the internet.
What bothers me about these posts is that there seems to be no margin for error given to these companies. What am I to believe when somebody posts that a company is an absolute ripoff and yet my own experience with them is they delivered my order on time with no hassle (I never got my tracking email but a phonecall took care of that). Nobody is perfect and there will always be exceptions to the rule but I have to believe if a company consistantly rips off people then they will get shut down. Before I placed my order I checked my credit card company and they said they would credit my account if something like that happened - which is the only reason I will order from anybody over the internet.
brokenz
Veteran Member
It's easy too be competitive when you sell items that the manafacturer includes seperately or push cheap overpriced accessories that aren't even needed on folks that just don't know any better.
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Kim Letkeman
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Why buy from them? Because some people have the nads to take the chance to save almost $100.
What was reported here is a real-life success ... nothing was overly glowing, in fact I reported it conservatively ... it was hyped up to a frenzy by people like you, who choose instead to attack all the evil in the world through the people that actually tried it and succeeded.
No one is telling anyone else to use those stores ... we're just reporting successful instances. For the hundredth time ... caveat emptor.
By the way ... you implied that my post was phoney. You are basically calling me a liar. I think you are probably an idiot ... but I will ask you to please think before you post such things.
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Kim Letkeman
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I am sorry your mother had a bad experience ... I hate seeing older people being taken advantage of ... but we live in an age where salespeople are always phoning your home and turning the screws, and even savvy people get taken now and again. It is a useful lesson learned when it happens. I hope it was not a lot of money.
My point ... this shop is available as a resource for those who have the knowledge and willpower to buy the cam only and get the great deal. There have been legitimate successes.
For those who feel so strongly that you you have to flame the messengers I suggest a class-action suit. Meanwhile, I may very well try them out myself while they are still around and have the best prices.
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Kim Letkeman
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The memory card is worthless ... none of the grey marketers are including it. The warranty issue is irrelevant, because they are useful only for the cam purchase at the amazing price. That's how my coworker did it. The Mack warranty is available elsewhere dirt cheap. I have no warranty at all and could not care less ...
So stop debating it. Those who use it and get the great deal will have about 30 beers to toast your purity.
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Kim Letkeman
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a) You never buy accessories from them.
b) The cam comes with a 16MB card, not a 64MB card. The card is worthless.
You did fine, but could have saved even more money. As you will, next time.
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Mind Expansi0n
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Probably the most unfriendly post I've seen on this forum to date. I apologize; this is not what most people are like here. Caveat Emptor!
I didn't, I bought the memory from Ebuyer. I only got the 5 year Mack warranty from them for 39.00 which I thought was a decent price although others have found it for less.
Mine did not come with any card.
tdkd13
Veteran Member
Shaun said that "glowing recommendations" MAY be phoney, not that YOUR recommendation was. One ratings site had shut down the ability to add reviews to Prestige Photo's ratings after finding that Prestige themselves were placing them, thereby falsely inflating what were already horrible numbers.
Also, it does not take "nads" to take a chance to save some money, hell it doesn't even take brains, guts courage or anything else really. All thats required is accurate information on what an item is worth and the ability to decline upsold accessories. Hardly the stuff of gladiators and warriors. I doubt you will feel any twinges of conscience knowing that for every camera they sell to an informed buyer such as yourself, they probably rip off 4 others who are not so well informed. Still, hardly something to brag about like a schoolyard bully claiming the largest balls on the block and such.
You called me an a$$hole a couple days ago and Shaun an idiot today yet you feel slighted that he may have implied your a liar, sort of a pot/kettle black type of thing isn't it?
You also said:
I think all that was happening was that people were responding to your aparent tacit approval of Prestige's business practices by claiming they had appeared to have turned over a new leaf. I understand this was your observation from personal experience and the experience of a friend and a few other forum members. But the "attack all evil" was simply other forum member disagreeing with your post and providing additional information to back up what was said.
I realize you have now said that your post was not intended to "tell" anyone to buy from Prestige, the whole caveat emptor and such, but please don't attempt to lump the many who speak out against Prestige and their ilk as some sort of anti-capitalists or as the nadless unwashed masses. Whenever anyone posts something positive about Prestige, Preferred, A&M Photoworld or Broadway Photo and I read it, expect the same type of responses I posted in this thread. They have made an anti-customer out of me and I will speak my mind on this issue everytime I see it and back it up with proof.
I have apologized to Michael of time2envy even though all I said about him was that he was linked to Prestige in some way, that way happens to be they share a building which does mean I was at least partially right. However he has been riunning a succesful business on ebay and has many happy customers with a very favorable feedback rating. I think I would be a fool to think that Prestige is not his supplier for the F11 but I would also be wrong to condemn his business for that since he has done nothing personally to me. That said, I wouldn't buy from him if I felt that Prestige was getting a piece of that business but I will not speak out against him since he is an honest person.
I will continue my jihad against Prestige (A&M Photoworld) until one of us is dead and burried (me or them, not you) so do not take it personally if I show up in anther "Yeah Prestige" thread.
Take care, Ted
Also, it does not take "nads" to take a chance to save some money, hell it doesn't even take brains, guts courage or anything else really. All thats required is accurate information on what an item is worth and the ability to decline upsold accessories. Hardly the stuff of gladiators and warriors. I doubt you will feel any twinges of conscience knowing that for every camera they sell to an informed buyer such as yourself, they probably rip off 4 others who are not so well informed. Still, hardly something to brag about like a schoolyard bully claiming the largest balls on the block and such.
You called me an a$$hole a couple days ago and Shaun an idiot today yet you feel slighted that he may have implied your a liar, sort of a pot/kettle black type of thing isn't it?
You also said:
Does that not seem like a bit of an overexageration? Attack all the evil of the world through you with the great nads?
I think all that was happening was that people were responding to your aparent tacit approval of Prestige's business practices by claiming they had appeared to have turned over a new leaf. I understand this was your observation from personal experience and the experience of a friend and a few other forum members. But the "attack all evil" was simply other forum member disagreeing with your post and providing additional information to back up what was said.
I realize you have now said that your post was not intended to "tell" anyone to buy from Prestige, the whole caveat emptor and such, but please don't attempt to lump the many who speak out against Prestige and their ilk as some sort of anti-capitalists or as the nadless unwashed masses. Whenever anyone posts something positive about Prestige, Preferred, A&M Photoworld or Broadway Photo and I read it, expect the same type of responses I posted in this thread. They have made an anti-customer out of me and I will speak my mind on this issue everytime I see it and back it up with proof.
I have apologized to Michael of time2envy even though all I said about him was that he was linked to Prestige in some way, that way happens to be they share a building which does mean I was at least partially right. However he has been riunning a succesful business on ebay and has many happy customers with a very favorable feedback rating. I think I would be a fool to think that Prestige is not his supplier for the F11 but I would also be wrong to condemn his business for that since he has done nothing personally to me. That said, I wouldn't buy from him if I felt that Prestige was getting a piece of that business but I will not speak out against him since he is an honest person.
I will continue my jihad against Prestige (A&M Photoworld) until one of us is dead and burried (me or them, not you) so do not take it personally if I show up in anther "Yeah Prestige" thread.
Take care, Ted
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