F11: Prestige appears to have turned over a new leaf ...

The difference in the tax only applies when you compare Prestige with the Hawaii store. Time2envy is located (nextdoor to Prestige) in Brooklyn so you would end up paying the same tax.

If you have a look at the Brookly storefronts ( http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/ ) are already well-enough known that showing up there with Fox 5 News won't have any effect.
Prestige may be getting you guys good deals but its still useless
for us New Yorkers who have to pay the 8.75% tax plus the shipping.
We really only end up saving maybe $15-20 which may not be worth it
to some solely because of "taking a chance." I also have an
inkling they might cancel orders when they see the shipping address
in fear of their lives. Imagine being rude and cursing at a
customer for him to end up showing up at your door? If they ever
ripped me off, I only live 20 mins away. I'd pay them a visit with
Fox 5 News, a bat, and a mop to clean up the mess. But hey, that's
me.
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This is nothing but slander...if you would ever talk to the folks at time2envy you would know what a rediculous statement this is. Be careful with the things you say, someone's business is at stake.
I believe Prestige is Time2envy, or is affiliated in some way.
These companies are crooked and do all kinds of shady business
practices. Prestige also seems affiliated with A&M Photoworld and a
couple others. They change names whenever they have completely
ruined one name due to the shady business practices.
You guys can deal with them all you want, and I have no doubt that
the forum members here who have purchased from them actually did
get the items in question. However these guys have already been
caught placing false positive feedback in other ratings sits so I
wouldn't be surprised to see them singing their praises in any
place they have access to.
To me, if someone has tendencies to buy from them, think about
this, you are giving your credit card number to people who have
shown they are willing to work around the fringes of the law, does
that seem wise.
Ted
 
Consider this, the cams that came from time2envy were set to go, not need to visit radio shack for any different cables, the ones from Prestige needed a different adaptor. I have the return adress where I had to send something back to time2envy, please post the address that is under suspision. I wonder if it is the same of if your friend somehow made an error. If time2envy is affiliated with Prestinge I would be very dissappointed.
I believe Prestige is Time2envy, or is affiliated in some way.
These companies are crooked and do all kinds of shady business
practices. Prestige also seems affiliated with A&M Photoworld and a
couple others. They change names whenever they have completely
ruined one name due to the shady business practices.
You guys can deal with them all you want, and I have no doubt that
the forum members here who have purchased from them actually did
get the items in question. However these guys have already been
caught placing false positive feedback in other ratings sits so I
wouldn't be surprised to see them singing their praises in any
place they have access to.
To me, if someone has tendencies to buy from them, think about
this, you are giving your credit card number to people who have
shown they are willing to work around the fringes of the law, does
that seem wise.
Ted
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Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and
now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
 
The address my friend receive from time2envy was 337 EAST 89TH ST, BROOKLYN NY 11236. Have a look at http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/ for more info on the Brooklyn stores.

The camera my friend got from time2envy had a power cable that didn't fit properly. There are several posts on this board reporting the power cable problem with both Prestige and Time2envy. Here is a thread about the wrong power cord from Prestige: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=16671660 and here one about the wrong power cord from Time2Envy: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=16676393

I am just relaying this information but let everyone decide for themselves whether that hints at a connection between these two companies or not. It is entirely possible that both companies placed orders for power cords completely independently, perhaps from different suppliers, and that both deliveries contained power cords that didn't fit.
I believe Prestige is Time2envy, or is affiliated in some way.
These companies are crooked and do all kinds of shady business
practices. Prestige also seems affiliated with A&M Photoworld and a
couple others. They change names whenever they have completely
ruined one name due to the shady business practices.
You guys can deal with them all you want, and I have no doubt that
the forum members here who have purchased from them actually did
get the items in question. However these guys have already been
caught placing false positive feedback in other ratings sits so I
wouldn't be surprised to see them singing their praises in any
place they have access to.
To me, if someone has tendencies to buy from them, think about
this, you are giving your credit card number to people who have
shown they are willing to work around the fringes of the law, does
that seem wise.
Ted
--
Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and
now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
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Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
 
That is the same address I sent something back to time2envy as well. I found that their returns dept is their weak link, too bad about that. I tried to find a return shipping address for Prestige and I tried to find the box my F11 came in to see where the cam shipped from but could not. I know that prestige lists their address as 315, so I wonder where they take returns. I would be very unhappy to find out that time2 and prestige are the same...I can say that both Michael and Ben at Time2Envy were both wonderful to deal with.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=16671660 and here one about the wrong power cord from Time2Envy: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=16676393
I am just relaying this information but let everyone decide for
themselves whether that hints at a connection between these two
companies or not. It is entirely possible that both companies
placed orders for power cords completely independently, perhaps
from different suppliers, and that both deliveries contained power
cords that didn't fit.
I believe Prestige is Time2envy, or is affiliated in some way.
These companies are crooked and do all kinds of shady business
practices. Prestige also seems affiliated with A&M Photoworld and a
couple others. They change names whenever they have completely
ruined one name due to the shady business practices.
You guys can deal with them all you want, and I have no doubt that
the forum members here who have purchased from them actually did
get the items in question. However these guys have already been
caught placing false positive feedback in other ratings sits so I
wouldn't be surprised to see them singing their praises in any
place they have access to.
To me, if someone has tendencies to buy from them, think about
this, you are giving your credit card number to people who have
shown they are willing to work around the fringes of the law, does
that seem wise.
Ted
--
Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and
now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
--
Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and
now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
 
I agree that it can be uncomfortable to give your credit card info to any company or individual that you do not have complete trust in.

Fortunately, it is quick and free to generate a one time use credit card number from the website of your credit card. I did this with my MBNA account, I assume all of the banks provide this.

It was dead simple to create a number that had a hard limit $10 higher than what I expected Prestige to charge.

If you're wondering, they charged exactly what they said they would, and of course the number has not been touched again since then.

Whether or not the minor hassle is worth it to you to save a few bucks, I have no idea. I know it was easily worth it to me, as the alternative was getting an F10 instead of an F11.
 
tdkd13: I understand your logic... resellerratings.com and several personal experiences from this board indicate that Prestige continues to do bad business... and some very clear evidence suggests that time2envy works with Prestige. You'll notice the awfully dramatic responses you got to your post, and I want to apologize on behalf of the more level-headed members here. We've got a couple Prestige Camera crusaders here who won't be disagreed with unless they get the chance to throw a couple of personal attacks in on the side. I hope you'll ignore it, and continue to use your own head when it comes to shady businesses... no matter the single pesonal anecdote here that claims Prestige is on the up and up. There are 10 posts from the last week before their ratings were shut @ reseller that claim otherwise.
 
I've been to NY twice. First time I went to B&H, I was impressed how big the store was. Actually I got lost inside the store just looking for the item I want. Too many customers, you have to wait in line.

My second trip, my hotel was just a walking distance from the 17th Street Photo. Took the elevator to get into the store. Just like an office room nothing fancy but the salesmen were courteous. So I decided to get my 20D, some lenses from them. Since then I have been ordering from them thru the internet. I also ordered my F11 from Prestige Camera. The only problem was the missing Xd card but I am happy with the service. It came on time as it was promised It may not work for you but might work for others. I made my choice and took the risk. Other store of my choice Buydig.-Tisya
 
Kim Letkeman wrote:
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You obviously thought I was serious about the use of distinguished.
I thought it would be blatantly obvious that I was reversing the
meaning there. Because it makes no sense in that context, as you
are putting massive effort in confirming.
I just read the words and interpret them as they are generally used, if I tried to decide what secondary meaning the poster was trying to utilize it would make any post useless. And if you call cutting and pasting from dictionary.com "massive effort" then I now understand why you think prestige is "straightening out their act" I guess I just have higher standards of what constitutes good business practices.
I just checked resellerratings and the last three full pages of
responses showed only ONE satisfied customer 95% were VERY
disatisfied, not what I would consider "straightening out their
act" but if thats your description of a business turning the corner
then fine by me.
I don't care about resellerratings ... I know they suck and suck
badly.
Well, if you dont care about resellerratings others may, the reviews I looked at at resellerratings were all from the last 30 or 40 days so I used those to support my claim that the company has really not turned around its business.
I was quoting people on this forum, which I have been
reading for a long time now. You obviously don't read everything on
here so you would not know that there have been several positive
reports for Prestige in the last month. Why you refuse to believe
that is beyond me ... but frankly, I no longer care.
I have read several reports on this forum from posters that have had a good experience with prestige, but it will take more than a few good experiences to offset was has been 18 months of 90% + negative responses before I would be willing to give them a tacit stamp of approval.

I'm glad you no longer care, you seem to get a tad worked up over it all, maybe thats just your personality.
Yes I mean prestige, you are correct that I have no evidence of any
wrong doing by time2envy
I will retract the portion of my other post as I do not have any
"real" evidence of a connection between time2envy and any other
camera seller. Although we do have another poster here who has > > some
evidence of a connection by way of a return address which is the
same address as a known scam company. After doing a little looking
myself I admit I personally have no proof of a connection between
time2envy and am not willing to dig any further, so with that said
I must retract the statement about time2envy. My statements about
prestige still stand though.
Yeah ... the dozen or more satisfied customers on this very forum
will thank you for witholding your speculation (aka slander) when
we have plenty of emperical evidence that time2envy's eBay rating
is not a fake. Your statements about Prestige ... I forgot, how
many transactions have you had with them again?
I have no transactions with prestige, are you implying that until I have been ripped off I have no right to comment and support my comments?

I also stated that I did NOT believe that time2envy faked their eBay feedback I was simply pointing out that there are plenty of cases of just that happening and that was in response to your claim that it was near impossible to fake eBay feedback. Also, just for future reference, it would be libel not slander :) and if this company feels they have a case, by all means sue me.
Just a note, there are several instances of people faking their
feedback on eBay but I do not think that is the case with
time2envy, by all empirical evidence, this guy seems OK, perhaps he
is drop shipping from one or several of the "Brooklyn" stores and
hence the return address given to the other poster was of the store
which shipped the item.
How many eBay transactions have you got? I'm approaching 200 and
have done several high value transactions (2000 USD) ... so I would
prefer if you would stop trying to school me about eBay and
time2envy. I clearly stated the limitations on my info and you
jumped in with a lot of your own opinions and contradictions.
Am I not allowed to have opinions and contradict yours?
You think any of these guys has the nads to screw with the big
credit card companies? Do you know how quickly that can be fatal?
Fraud means jail time.
Oh please, it doesn't take "nads" to screw a big credit card
company, in fact its done every single day of the year thousands of
times a day. You would be shocked at how few are even invesitgated
to any degree at all. My sister is a VP in the fraud dept. at the
largest bank in the US (I think they may have 100,000 VP's but its
a cool job and she loves it)
Yeah right ... and my mother is an astronaut. I just realized that
I'm wasting my time ... so I will stop now.
Not sure what your referring to here, more reversing the meanings? Some Canadian haiku? Or are you trying to assert the opinion that large credit card companies do not incur fraud on a daily basis or that my sister does not hold the position I mentioned?

Regardless, take care, Ted
 
As far as I have been able to deduce the only things we know is that time2envyand Prestige are next-door neighbors who happen to both sell the F11, and who happen to both have shipped units with a power cord that didn't quite fit (had a square edge where a round edge was needed).

Other than this, we don't know anything. It's everyones guess how come these neighbors both sell the F11 which isn't officially imported in the US mainland (and nobody else) and how they both happened to have made the identical mistake with the power cords.
and some very clear evidence
suggests that time2envy works with Prestige.
Show me this clear evidence?
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Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
 
Let me expend some more massive effort here:

na·tion·al·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nsh-n-lzm, nshn-)
n.
1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

Which of these are you implying I was employing in my use of the word Canadian?

Thanks Ted
Not sure what your referring to here, more reversing the meanings?
Some Canadian haiku?
Don't trot out your childish nationalism on a world-wide forum ...

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tdkd13: I understand your logic...
Unfounded accusation is not logic.
resellerratings.com and several
personal experiences from this board indicate that Prestige
continues to do bad business...
That was never denied. Anecdotal evidence shows that several people have had excellent recent experiences with them ... and I reported one from Canada, a new twist.

It was the pair of you who chose to do the witch hunt thing where Prestige was concerned. And then to add time2envy into the mix because he does business in Brooklyn NY.
and some very clear evidence suggests that time2envy works
with Prestige.
The Brooklyn store front site is here:

http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/

Time2envy's address is here:
1900 New York Avenue
brooklyn, NY 11210
United States
(888) 477-1712

That street does not appear in the store front listing at all. Any evidence you have is pure speculation.

The eBay business model is very different from the mail order business model. For example, time2envy takes paypal across the border ... this is very rare because it requires a great deal of trust. His entire business is based on his eBay ratings, which are impossible to fake at the level he has reached. I have seen no evidence at all that he is shady. Quite the contrary.

And the argument that his customer service is bad so he must be related to Prestige is amazingly naive. He does a volume business (see his ratings and his eBay store) and he must assemble the F11 kits from off-shore (grey market) versions. That does not always go perfectly smoothly as some here have reported. The first batch, though, was perfect.

You and tdkd13 ought to seriously consider apologizing publicly to time2envy ...
You'll notice the
awfully dramatic responses you got to your post, and I want to
apologize on behalf of the more level-headed members here.
I don't think the group needs an apologist. And level-headed is not how I would describe those who are fashioning a witch hunt against time2envy based on, well, nothing.
We've
got a couple Prestige Camera crusaders here who won't be disagreed
with unless they get the chance to throw a couple of personal
attacks in on the side.
This is not a question of agree or disagree ... it is a question of making up facts and trying to damage a very good business that many of us trust.

And you ought to lay off the whining about personal attacks ... if I decide to go ad hominem on you, you will know it.
I hope you'll ignore it, and continue to
use your own head when it comes to shady businesses...
Anyone who does not understand "caveat emptor" should really be denied the privilege of a credit card. Unfortunately, anyone can get a credit card, have a bad experience, and then bash about to shed the blame anywhere else.
no matter
the single pesonal anecdote here that claims Prestige is on the up
and up.
That would be my original post. If you go back and read it again you will find that no such claim was ever made.

This was a simple anecdote and you and tdkd13 chose to jump in and start a war against anyone who does business in Brooklyn. Do you realize how unreasoned that looks?
There are 10 posts from the last week before their ratings
were shut @ reseller that claim otherwise.
Sure ... I read pretty much everything on this forum and I don't remember 10 negative threads on Prestige since December, much less the last week. Please post references to these threads.

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As far as I have been able to deduce the only things we know is
that time2envyand Prestige are next-door neighbors who happen to
both sell the F11, and who happen to both have shipped units with a
power cord that didn't quite fit (had a square edge where a round
edge was needed).
Other than this, we don't know anything. It's everyones guess how
come these neighbors both sell the F11 which isn't officially
imported in the US mainland (and nobody else) and how they both
happened to have made the identical mistake with the power cords.
Prestige Camera
315 East 89th St
Brooklyn, NY 11236
1-800-432-2180

Time2envy
1900 New York Avenue
brooklyn, NY 11210
United States
(888) 477-1712

The actual businesses are run using completely different business practices:

Prestige: Phone orders only, even using their web site requires confirmation by phone; credit card payment only.

Time2envy: eBay auctions or eBay storefront; all communication by email; accepts paypal, even across the border!

Based on these differences alone, they have no business relationship to each other.

It is possible that they share a return depot or a shipper, even a factory. But that is not evidence of anything.

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The address, not just warehouse, but also where you have to send letters to, as given by Time2Envy itself, is 337 East 89th St in Brooklyn, which is nextdoor to Prestige.

I'm not implying that being nextdoor means you have a business relationship. I have no business relationship with my neighbors either. (But then I don't ship cameras with the same non-fitting power cord as my neighbors either.)

I'm not accusing time2envy of anything, except having a poor choice for address, as this address has at least been used in the past (don't know about right now) by the known gang of shady camera stores from Brooklyn.
As far as I have been able to deduce the only things we know is
that time2envyand Prestige are next-door neighbors who happen to
both sell the F11, and who happen to both have shipped units with a
power cord that didn't quite fit (had a square edge where a round
edge was needed).
Other than this, we don't know anything. It's everyones guess how
come these neighbors both sell the F11 which isn't officially
imported in the US mainland (and nobody else) and how they both
happened to have made the identical mistake with the power cords.
Prestige Camera
315 East 89th St
Brooklyn, NY 11236
1-800-432-2180

Time2envy
1900 New York Avenue
brooklyn, NY 11210
United States
(888) 477-1712

The actual businesses are run using completely different business
practices:

Prestige: Phone orders only, even using their web site requires
confirmation by phone; credit card payment only.

Time2envy: eBay auctions or eBay storefront; all communication by
email; accepts paypal, even across the border!

Based on these differences alone, they have no business
relationship to each other.

It is possible that they share a return depot or a shipper, even a
factory. But that is not evidence of anything.

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Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
 
I have no idea what time2envy does at 1900 New York Avenue in brooklyn, but the address they give themselves to their customers is 337 East 89th St in Brooklyn, and that does appear in the Brooklyn storefront website.

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Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
 
From that Brooklyn storefront site:

"A&M Photo World LLC, d.b.a. amphotoworld.com, PreferredPhoto.com
337 E 89th St., Remsen Village

PriceRunner has this address for amphotoworld. Web site no longer has an address. This report has PreferredPhoto at this address. This is next door to Prestige Camera, which is most likely owned by A&M. [Picture taken on a Jewish holiday.]"

I think its pretty clear who time2envy is. Thx for the info Paul, maybe time2envy will have time2come tell us about the whole issue.
I have no idea what time2envy does at 1900 New York Avenue in
brooklyn, but the address they give themselves to their customers
is 337 East 89th St in Brooklyn, and that does appear in the
Brooklyn storefront website.

--
Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and
now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
 
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1995.html

About 10 'very dissatisfied' posts from 1/11 - 1/18. Less then a month ago. Describing various shady practices.
There are 10 posts from the last week before their ratings
were shut @ reseller that claim otherwise.
Sure ... I read pretty much everything on this forum and I don't
remember 10 negative threads on Prestige since December, much less
the last week. Please post references to these threads.

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Let me expend some more massive effort here:

na·tion·al·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nsh-n-lzm, nshn-)
n.
1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently
rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than
international goals.
3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign
domination.

Which of these are you implying I was employing in my use of the
word Canadian?
Your question "What was that, a Canadian haiku?" was meant as a condescending, slightly denigrating epithet. That could only come from an arrogant nationalism that is probably so bred into you that you don't know you have it.

Or you are an a++hole.

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