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Athlon XP temperature?
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charlie wallace
Senior Member
90 c is the maxiumum for that processor, so you are fine at 55
StephenL
Senior Member
Temperature sounds about right to me. Unsure what the boundaries should be, but my Athlons have typically run at around that temp with no problems.
Hi all,
I just got new Athlon 1700+ XP on ASUS A7V266 motherboard with 1Gb
of DDR RAM on it
Processor temperature is about 55 C - is that ok?
What is the maximum recommended temperature for this CPU?
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clausiam
Guest
55C sounds good. The XP should not have the same heat problems that the T-Bird did.I just got new Athlon 1700+ XP on ASUS A7V266 motherboard with 1Gb
of DDR RAM on it
Processor temperature is about 55 C - is that ok?
What is the maximum recommended temperature for this CPU?
So how does it perform? This is just about the configuration I will be getting in a couple of weeks (haven't decided the actual CPU yet (1500, 1600, 1700, 1800) though).
If I put 2 or 3 ATA-100/7200RPM disks in it will it be worth it to get dedicated IDE controllers or will that not have any significant effect? Charlie - you're the hardware guy - do you know?
Claus
Hammy #54417
Leading Member
Most mobo's will have at least 2 channels for 4 hard drives. Alot will have additional channels for 2 more channels - either for ATA100 and/or RAID.
This could give you up to 8 hdd's - so you shouldn't need additional controllers. One caveat to an additional controller is that it will have to go through you PCI bus - potentially slower then onboard.
The other caveat - is what do you plan on doing with several hard drives?
To gain speed you'll want to implement RAID-0: striping. This will allow several hard drives to act as one - multiple heads acting as one large hard drive improving performance significantly - at the possible expense of: if one hard drive fails in the array - all data is lost. RAID1 is mirroring - safer recovery as all data is written twice - but slower because of that (reads are faster tho). RAID5 allows for RAID0 performance (almost) but uses one drive to write compressed parity information at the expense of 1 drive (hence, data can consume n-1 drives). Most mobo's don't support the R5, but do allow for fast yet safe RAID in the form of R0+1 - this requires an even number of similar drives starting with 4 - while striping one set - it is mirroring the information to another striped set. This way, you get the performance of R0, the safety of R1 but costs you twice as many drives.
Without implementing RAID of any sort - multiple hard drives will allow you to have your OS, proggy's, data and/or swap file on different drives - improving performance - if properly set up...
Good luck...
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clausiam
Guest
I plan on having all software on one HD, all data (images mainly) on another. I was considering having a small 3rd HD dedicated for PS Scratchdisk but may not bother. So you're saying as long as the 2 HD's are on separate channels they will run fine without additional controllers?
Claus
charlie wallace
Senior Member
best performance for IDE will be with a large cached IDE ATA 100 or better on the correct IDE port (one that supports ATA100 shouldnt be a problem on modern motherboards ) with busmastering drivers.
RAID-0 is ok, it'll go faster , but since most motherboards only have two IDE connections that each support 2 drives, you can only have two drives for performance, since each drive needs to be on a seperate IDE controller.
So if you don't mind having no IDE CD and only two IDE hard disks thats the best bet for performance
RAID isn't really a true RAID, since its not fault tolerant, and either drive going out will kill everything , its technically AID-0
having a slave drive on the controller will affect the speed considerably, making it less worthwhile doing it, so keep that in mind
access time of the drive is very important too, most 7200RPM drivers are usually
i wouldn't recommend (R)AID-0 for a critical system that isn't backed up often, drives do go out don't let anyone tell you otherwise, i go through at least two a year (from 8 systems each with at least 3 drives) but its always the one i need.
for home use and DV work its a good cheap alternative to a real RAID system. you can expect see a performance increase of at least 10% to as much as 80% depending on the IDE controller used
charlie
RAID-0 is ok, it'll go faster , but since most motherboards only have two IDE connections that each support 2 drives, you can only have two drives for performance, since each drive needs to be on a seperate IDE controller.
So if you don't mind having no IDE CD and only two IDE hard disks thats the best bet for performance
RAID isn't really a true RAID, since its not fault tolerant, and either drive going out will kill everything , its technically AID-0
having a slave drive on the controller will affect the speed considerably, making it less worthwhile doing it, so keep that in mind
access time of the drive is very important too, most 7200RPM drivers are usually
i wouldn't recommend (R)AID-0 for a critical system that isn't backed up often, drives do go out don't let anyone tell you otherwise, i go through at least two a year (from 8 systems each with at least 3 drives) but its always the one i need.
for home use and DV work its a good cheap alternative to a real RAID system. you can expect see a performance increase of at least 10% to as much as 80% depending on the IDE controller used
charlie
55C sounds good. The XP should not have the same heat problems thatI just got new Athlon 1700+ XP on ASUS A7V266 motherboard with 1Gb
of DDR RAM on it
Processor temperature is about 55 C - is that ok?
What is the maximum recommended temperature for this CPU?
the T-Bird did.
So how does it perform? This is just about the configuration I will
be getting in a couple of weeks (haven't decided the actual CPU yet
(1500, 1600, 1700, 1800) though).
If I put 2 or 3 ATA-100/7200RPM disks in it will it be worth it to
get dedicated IDE controllers or will that not have any significant
effect? Charlie - you're the hardware guy - do you know?
Claus
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clausiam
Guest
Pardon my ignorance. If the CD is not an IDE device how and where is it connected?
Claus
Hammy #54417
Leading Member
The catch with the IDE interface is that when a device is active on a channel, the IRQ and DMA are locked down for the length of time that the device takes to do what it is told. In other words - if you read or write to a hard drive (or read from a CD) that IDE channel is put on hold until the read/write is complete. This is no big deal for doing single tasks... but if you plan on reading a file, while writing the scratch all while burning a CD, then the channels better have independence or things will slow down.
There are two ways to circumvent this... go SCSI in which the controller handles all requests and queues them to the devices, but because most of us have wallets with a bottom, IDE is the way to go. With IDE, make sure that any devices that will be used at the same time are on seperate channels.
Considering your 3 hdd / 1 CD configuration, this would be the best arrangement with only two channels:
IDE0 - HDD1=boot/OS/proggies, CD (RW)
IDE1 - HDD2=data, HDD3=scratch/swap
This would allow for independent channels to:
-burn a CD from the data drive
-when the programs/OS run out of memory, the swap can be used (with the one drawback of running into swap/scratch while data is being read.)
So to answer your CD question - you'll prolly have an IDE CD, but it is best to have it on a seperate channel than the data drive that it is pulling from.
But, if you get a higher end mobo, you'll prolly end up with more than 2 channels of IDE - then you can spread your drives up more and utilize the channels more efficiently. But you can certainly use all the drives with only two channels - just some issues of speed degredation might come into play at certain times of running your system.
Hope this helps...
charlie wallace
Senior Member
CD's are available in usb/scsi/firewire and parallel port versions.
it may not matter having a CD on the slave, but it will hamper performance during use, which will only matter when you are using the CD.
The problem with IDE is that only one device can be talking at once (on the same controller), so the other has to wait for the chatter to stop
before it can begin.
so if the masters talking the slave has to wait and vice versa.
so what we normally do (if possible) is to put the hard disk on one IDE controller, and the CD on the second, so they are both masters and can then both chat at once. Or in AID-0 you put one IDE drive on a seperate controller.
so if you have 3 or 4 IDE devices and two controllers theres going to be at least one slave, which is a problem.
the next problem is that often older or lower tech devices can not handle independant master/slave timing, what this means that if you put a lower speed say ATA33 CD on the same controller as an AT100 drive and the devices don't support independant M/S timing the ATA100 drive will run at ATA33 speed all the time.
Unfortunately the information is not always easily available, typically modern PCs support it, bit it does happen on cheaper chipsets
Usually a modern PC supports UDMA Multiword ATA6 which is what you are looking for ( ATA100 )
Whatever you do don't stripe ( (R)AID-0 ) two IDE drives on the same controller as master/slave its hardly worth it.
charlie
it may not matter having a CD on the slave, but it will hamper performance during use, which will only matter when you are using the CD.
The problem with IDE is that only one device can be talking at once (on the same controller), so the other has to wait for the chatter to stop
before it can begin.
so if the masters talking the slave has to wait and vice versa.
so what we normally do (if possible) is to put the hard disk on one IDE controller, and the CD on the second, so they are both masters and can then both chat at once. Or in AID-0 you put one IDE drive on a seperate controller.
so if you have 3 or 4 IDE devices and two controllers theres going to be at least one slave, which is a problem.
the next problem is that often older or lower tech devices can not handle independant master/slave timing, what this means that if you put a lower speed say ATA33 CD on the same controller as an AT100 drive and the devices don't support independant M/S timing the ATA100 drive will run at ATA33 speed all the time.
Unfortunately the information is not always easily available, typically modern PCs support it, bit it does happen on cheaper chipsets
Usually a modern PC supports UDMA Multiword ATA6 which is what you are looking for ( ATA100 )
Whatever you do don't stripe ( (R)AID-0 ) two IDE drives on the same controller as master/slave its hardly worth it.
charlie
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