Eizo V's Lacie (Or Other) 19 & 20 inch what to buy

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I am finding it very difficult to find comparisions on the net, in a photographic graphics context (other than peoples opinions "I love this brand/monitor it's great" etc) on the main professional offerings of 19 & 20 inch models.

The below are quoted in Australian $ and I plan in the next day to make a decision on one of the below. Any recomendations will be much appreciated.

Lacie 119 ptno LAC9855 19 inch $770 (Eizo L768-K 19 inch $985
Eizo S1910 19 inch $1075
Lacie 120 ptno 9856 20 inch $1150
Eizo L887-K FlexScan 20.1 inch $1599
Eizo S2110W 21.1 wide screen $1899

I understand that Eizo are generally a better monitor, however how much and in respect to which models? And are there any other monitors that should also be considered NEC, Samsung in the professional context that are still available.

I am not particularly prepared to outlay money on a 21 So have kept the pricing to 19 and 20. If I had to choose the Eizo 20 inch I would spend the extra $300 for the extra inch (widescreen model).

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Not!!!

Ended up purchasing ex demo with balance of warranty Eizo (pronounced A-zo actually) cg21

It's a 5 year investment I guess.

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From the list you posted I'd go with the Eizo 768 (but not the black).

LaCIe have a 20,3 inch monitor with 1600/1280 resolution, that one would be pretty good as well, but the Product names in australia obviously differes very much from the swedish ones =(

I'm considering getting two Eizo sw2400 to replace my monitors, but I'm confident that for finr arts, the image quality is unsufficient. I need the work space more then color accuracy, speed in the work flow is pretty much all that matters for my work, your needs are probably different.

There are some very high end NECs, but those are very expensive (I believe $6600)

And there's always Samsung, good, reliable and perhaps the best compromise quality/price/features you can find.

Hope this helps.
Cheers

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I think it is a toss up between the Eizo and the NeC/Lacie. Eizo are certainly better but a lot depends on price difference. The standard (non Cg) Eizo is certainly a better monitor than the NEC but here one is 1850 and the Eizo the normal 21 (L997) is about 2600. That is a heck of a lot more money. The Eizo Wide 21.3 wide is about 1900 (which only has width not height). I really only purchased the CG21 because it was demo, I really don't think that the difference is worth paying for for the average photographer. Most people that purchase this type of monitor need it for critical pre-press, and for the average professional it is not worth the money.

If I hadn't been able to get the cg21 for a good price I would have either purchased the Nec or the Eizo S2110W 21.1

Certainly the whole thing is a lot of money no matter how you look at it but it has to be divided by five years, The Eizo warranty, who can beat that!

Michael.

It is interesting to note from reviews that the 20 inch NEC does not rate as well as the 21 (from memory)

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4 years on and where the situation was at a year ago, before balance of warranty expired. HOW TO LOOSE $2500 DOLLARS WITH EIZO

I am going to write up my $2500 Gripe with Eizo for everyone to read

I purchased a CG21 Eizo monitor direct from Eizo Australia
It was "factory demo/refurbished"
I live/work elsewhere in the Pacific

I was told the monitor was 1 out of around a 100 monitors that was purchased by fairfax, and this one was returned for what was thought to be the dead pixel warranty but none was ever found. I was under the impression it had only been checked to see the dead pixel, and resell as a demo unit. I believe it was returned because it would never calibrate for target brightness as there are no dead pixel/s.

The monitor would never calibrate for brightness but would send an add hoc target brightness , it would give a screen warning that would state that it could not reach the target luminence (no matter whether the target luminence was set at 50 80 90 100 110 cdmi) it would make no difference the warning was still there, and would send an add hoc target brightness between around 90 and 120 each time you did the calibration. Sometimes 90 sometimes 100 sometimes 110 and so on.

It would give the warning send an add hoc target cdmi and then the navigator would say it had calibrated correctly. When it hadn't. So you would just keep doing it a dozen times until it was close enough!!!!!!!!!!!

After countless emails back and forward (because I live overseas, I couldn't just send it in for service) a dozen installs of colour navigator on clean installs etc several different graphics cards several different computers the problem was no different.

I persisted using this Monitor for around two and a half years and figured it best to finally bring it back before the 3 year component of the warranty was up to finally sort it, again this is because I live overseas from the Eizo Aust. I mention this as this had been my main problem that related to Eizo technical service. However at the same time the screen had also been developing what I know understand to be screen iluminence irregularity starting at the corners, and it had got to the point that I felt that there was something wrong, but as it didn't effect the middle of the screen where the editing area, it hadn't worried me anymore than the other problem.

When I sent it in.
I was told it had been damaged in transit, I had no way of proving otherwise.

They said that the irregular screen luminence had been caused by pressure on the screen. This in itself was crap because today I can push my fist on the screen and it doesn't cause this. THEY KNOW THIS AND there can be no other explanation other than THE fact that they appear to be just trying TO GET OUT OF WARRANTY OBLIGATIONS or passing it off for the insurance company of the courier/transport company etc - Although from what I gather I am not sure whether the warranty covers screen luminence or not, but for the CG21 it seemed to.

( Since using the screen luminence over time has worsened in the last 12 months to around double what it was when I first sent it in. I just use it for the home computer now, this is evidence of the fact it happens progressively)

When I questioned them about the calibration error message originally before sending the monitor in I was never given an explanation as to what causes it other than my setup was wrong. (and this was after forwarding the problem to the manufacturer- if I search the error message on the net nothing comes up, so is not a common problem)

After sending the monitor in, it took weeks before THEY FINALLY ADMITTED THAT THE SAME WARNING IN FACT did come up. But they said that the screen brightness was in the accepted target range and therefore was not covered under warranty. They also said that because Navigator states that it has calibrated correctly (Even though it didn't) that meant that it therefore passed the warranty check!!!
WHAT KIND OF logic is that!!!

When I continued to pursue Eizo Australia and reminded them that the monitor was sent not for any issue over minimum brightness but OVER THE FACT THAT IT WOULD NOT CALIBRATE and had never been able to succesfully calibrate a target brightness It became quite difficult to get a response.

I continued to request an explantion for why they would not cover a monitor that sent an ad hoc target brightness, which they themselves finally admitted occurred, and questioned for an explanatation of why the message comes up. I WAS TOLD THEY DID NOT WANT TO deal with me any longer and I should pursue the matter with fair trading.

What kind of company does not live up to it's warranty!!!!!!!!

What kind of company when you confront them tells you to go to court to solve your problems rather than live up to it's warranty obligations!!!!

What kind of company does everything it can to try to get out of providing warranty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I ASK YOU WHAT KIND OF WARRANTY IS THIS WHERE A MANUFACTURER SELLS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T WORK AND EXPECTS YOU TO FOOT THE BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was ALSO told that Eizo Australia had no obligation to offer any warranty because I lived overseas even though they are listed as the distributor for the south pacific, and it was purchased through them!!##@!

I was told Eizo does not repair monitors (replace screens) and they try to do everything they can to get out of warranty service AS IT MEANS THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU A NEW MONITOR. BE VERY WARY OF BUYING EIZO AND THINKING THEIR WARRANTY IS ANYTHING LIKE WHAT THEY SAY IT IS.

I liver overseas so trying to pursue anything by a tribunal court hearing process would mean a special trip just to see this through.

Mike.
 
THIS SHOULD SERVE AS A WARNING TO ANYONE BUYING AN EIZO MONITOR. THEY WILL TRY TO DO WHAT THEY CAN TO GET OUT OF WARRANTY AS THEY DO NOT REPAIR THEIR PRODUCTS ONLY REPLACE. AND IF THEIR IS ANY CHANCE OF ARGUING OUT OF IT THEY WILL, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THE FACTS OR THE EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THEIR CASE.

Please read my previous reply about Eizo trying to do everything they could to get out of warranty obligations within the warranty period.

I was told directly that they did not want to foot the bill for a new monitor, and told to pursue the matter with fair trading even though they could not give me any explanation for the calibration error that was present in the monitor. It could not go to any selected target cdmi through colour navigator, if could be as much as 30 cdmi out when you put your target in! After weeks of emails they finally admitted that the error was present, and if questioned about why they wouldn't fulfill their warranty obligations to provide a working monitor that calibrates correctly told me to pursue the matter through the tribunal.

Upon sending they told me that the screen had been damaged in transport because it also had issues with variant luminence (which I hadn't mentioned at the time of sending as calling overseas I only dealt with what I had been telling them was a problem for 2 years and not what I thought was also a problem being told they would sort it out once received). Because I had not mentioned the other they tried to offload it to personal/courier/freight insurance, to try and get out of honouring warranty. Their statement that screen luminosity irregularity was caused by pressure to the screen from bubble wrap I had packaged the monitor with. This was was dishonest considering that 1. the middle of the screen which was the only part of the screen NOT AFFECTED by the bubble wrap was the area THAT WAS NOT EFFECTED!!!!

and 2. If you push the screen hard with great force with bubblewrap there is no change to luminosity and could not be possibly caused by bubblewrap.

3. After using the monitor for client proofing the luminosity has increasing worsened indicating that it happens gradually not suddenly.

The fact that no evidence could be sustained indicates that they tried to do everything they could to get out of providing warranty.

When I questioned them about how it is inaccurate to draw their conclusions. they again told me to pursue it through the court system (of fair trading) as they had no obligation to pay for a full replacement and did not do repairs.

Of course I live overseas so having to attend a tribunal hearing would be very difficult.

Michael.

I was supplied another monitor at dealer pricing which is like a slap in the face considering that only the minimum was done, and that I was responsible to pay for all their costs plus their margin of profit to acquire a replacement for something that never worked correctly from purchase, and they themselves when questioned would provide no explanation for why my monitor could not target to a chosen cdmi target, and give a error message only.
 

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