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Furthermore, Canon has the perfect 70-200 tele-zoom lineup right
now.
The 70-300IS has the optical quality and the IS,
You are kidding? Right... Tried one in the store and my DO flies
circles around it.
Does it really? From the pictures I have seen posted, the DO has the Canon L-quality pop to the pictures in terms of color and contrast, but there is a funny white halo that appears on the borders of dark contrast regions that tends to soften the pictures. I specifically recall an image of a bird (the site escapes me now) that viewed full frame, the head looked soft and when zoomed in it could be seen that the white color of the bird's head bled over into the dark region by quite a few pixes. Sort of the anti-L lens in terms of contrast. Other than that the colors looked great and I agree the 300 DO would make a killer travel lens, but for the money and considering how sharp the non-DO lens is, I would hesitate to purchase a lens that did not look sharp all the time. This is not intended to start a flame war, I just have not heard of someone that thought the DO had all the chips in order (sharpness, color, contrast, at the same time). Marginally better colors, yes, but certianly not flies circles around the whole lens as a package. The DO does not even fly circles around the kit lens as far as I can tell, but that's not saying anything bad about the DO lens, the kit lens is just good enough to be made to perform.
 
His comments are the general consensus....

... minus the nice color effects that L-lenses seem to create which give them that 3-D pop. And of course, the construction, I believe we are talking about the optical quality of the lens.

I personally think that while the new 70-300 IS measures extremely well it's missing the special lens coatings the L series lenses enjoys and therefore misses out on some of the color and contrast issues. It is definitely sharp though and side by side with many (unchallenging) L-pics you cannot tell the difference.
 
It is definitely sharp though and side by side with many (unchallenging) L-pics you cannot tell the difference.
If you can't tell the difference, then what's the difference? Why not get the non-L? (Serious question, not trying to be sarcastic.)
 
If you can't tell the difference, then what's the difference? Why
not get the non-L? (Serious question, not trying to be sarcastic.)
Well... that's an insightful question... here goes. If you take pictures of objects with the sun directlly behind you all day I don't suppose one could tell the difference because there is no challenge for the lens. Any situation involving some degree of imperfect lighting or high or challenging contrast the L-always wins.

The difficult thing about desribing a good photo is trying to quantify what you like about it. In my case with the L-lenses it is how they render low contrast or poorly lit areas of the photo. (No, I don't own one.) The accuracy with which they do this makes or breaks the photo, at least for me, which is why I think there is something that the focus charts do not show, but can be seen. Something like a 'greyscale sensitivity' rating for HDTV monitors, it's known that the best monitors are still conventional sets for example Plasma monitors have trouble rendering greyscales, but do punch your eyes out with bright colors.

I have seen a picture of a bird in flight on this website, and the picture was so completely realistic, not because of the bright colors, the stunning focus, etc. it was the subtle things i.e. the last 5% difference in the picture that make a 50% difference in your impression of it. In this case it was the fact that although the bird was rendered well, the underside of the bird, and the gray-ish yellow feet it had, and other areas not directly lit by the sun had every little bit of (gray)-scale of contrast and detail so perfectly rendered it just made you study it. None of the detail was washed out or lost regardless of how well or how poorly lit it was around the subject.

There was another comparison set of photos I remember seeing that were of a lighthouse on some rocks on an overcast day, and the standard lens produced a really dreary picture, i.e. just a photo. However the L-lens rendered the low contrast areas of the photo in such nice detail and rich color again, it made you want to study it, it brought real character and detail to the subtle colors in the rocks and made an otherwise dreary photo practically a portrait of subtle colors.

That's why... It reminds me of many things that people instinctively like but cannot quickly explain why. There are real reasons for it (like nice cars, homes with certian proportions, etc) where there are definite reasons but without metrics to quantify them. In the case of the L lenses I believe it's there ability to render fine details in low contrast or poorly lit areas.
 
I'm also looking for this lens to be released. I seriously hope its EF-S as some would say. It seems silly for Canon to release an L lens only for EF-S/ The normal EF line seriously needs a 50mm normal L in this range. There was another rumour on here the lens may be a 55mm f1.2L IS.
 
A new 50mm L would seriously compete as the best 50mm out there if it were to come out. It would bump Zeiss's 50mm 1.4 off the top. All I can say is I hope it doesn't turn out to be an EF-S lens if it is released.
 
I would choose the L over the non-L for:

Focus speed
Full time manual focus
Non-rotating front element
Build Quality

Lens design (th 70-300 is rumored to have a loose barrel causing the portrait blur problem)

The other area I would question is corner to corner sharpness of the 70-300 compared to the L. Most of the comparisons have been focused (no pun) on center sharpness.

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Randy
 
Does it really? From the pictures I have seen posted, the DO has
the Canon L-quality pop to the pictures in terms of color and
contrast,
Actually the DO is known to have pretty poor contrast straight out of the camera. Definitely not as good as the 70-300 and well bellow L standards, IMO.
 
A 50mm f/1.2 EF-S would not confer any real advantage over a 50mm f/1.2 EF lens. For telephoto lenses, the size of the front element is governed by the focal length. The front element dictates the barrel size and is the heaviest piece of glass in most lenses. There is really no point in making an EF-S lens that has a longer focal length than "normal" for the APS sensor size. That is why all of the reduced image circle lenses are either wide angles, or zooms whose ranges start in the wide angles. If Canon were to make a 50mm f/1.2L, they certainly would make it an EF lens.
 
If you can't tell the difference, then what's the difference? Why
not get the non-L? (Serious question, not trying to be sarcastic.)
If IQ is identical, then the critical differences are in focus speed, lens speed, and build quality... so get the non-L if you don't need to shoot sports or stop fast action. At least, that is how I would go about it if I were starting over again.

I would love to try the 70-300 for a while (on vacation, or at the zoo?) and see what ACR could do with the RAWs. I never really tried with the old 75-300, I was too caught up on its shortcomings to ever try working around the holes. Took a couple good shots for sure, but in general, it sat in my bag.

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-CW
 
A 50mm f/1.2 EF-S would not confer any real advantage over a 50mm
f/1.2 EF lens. For telephoto lenses, the size of the front element
is governed by the focal length. The front element dictates the
barrel size and is the heaviest piece of glass in most lenses.
There is really no point in making an EF-S lens that has a longer
focal length than "normal" for the APS sensor size. That is why
all of the reduced image circle lenses are either wide angles, or
zooms whose ranges start in the wide angles. If Canon were to make
a 50mm f/1.2L, they certainly would make it an EF lens.
Have you never heard of the EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro lens?
There goes your theory right there.

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/ef_s60_28macro_usm.html
 
Have you never heard of the EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro lens?
There goes your theory right there.

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/ef_s60_28macro_usm.html
Hardly. The EF-S 60mm Macro is bigger and heavier than the EF 50mm f/2.5 Macro, despite being slower and having a reduced image circle. I'm not sure what the point of making the 60mm Macro EF-S only was, but it certainly didn't make it significantly smaller. An EF-S 50mm f/1.2L would be utterly pointless, and would needlessly shut out full frame users, who presumably would be very interested in a 50mm L.
 
The price keeps dropping on the regular 70-200 F4L.
 
Does it really? From the pictures I have seen posted, the DO has
the Canon L-quality pop to the pictures in terms of color and
contrast, but there is a funny white halo that appears on the
borders of dark contrast regions that tends to soften the pictures.
If you shoot at f8.0 the halo disappears - lots of pics from the DO are on our pbase site in the 20D gallery. As long as you are in good light, it is not a problem at all. And it is on the camera most of the time.
Jack
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http://www.pbase.com/jrs40
 
An EF 1200/5.6 DO IS but the price tag would be deadly.

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Bryan - click, click, click, click, moo, click, click.
 

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