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"Canon has announced today that it plans to roll-out nearly 20 new compact digital cameras in 2004 in an aggressive product push to grab 25 percent of the global market and it seems that this is aimed squarely at Sony. Takashi Oshiyama, head of Canon's digital imaging business group, told Reuters in an interview "Those companies out there that have no experience producing film cameras have yet to create a camera that performs like a real camera should. I won't say who that is." Oshiyama said shipments of digital cameras by Japanese manufacturers would total between 40 and 44 million units in 2003. That compares to last year's 25 million units, according to Japan's Camera and Imaging Products Association (CIPA)."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/message.asp?forum=1019

I'm by no means a troll, but it sure seems Sony really stuck it to Canon this time.

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By purchasing KM? I do't think so.
All they gained is a mount system and something better than their steadshot.
They owned the sensors and probably the screen anyways.

If they did "stick it" to someone, it's Nikon, their main sensor consumer and now competitor.

In any case, since I'm a consumer and not employed by Canon, it means more competition and hopefully, better and lower priced gear.

Repost this in a couple of years, then we'll get a better handle on who "stuck it" to who.
 
Now that they got the KM's digital camera business added to its dominating image sensor business, Sony may becomes a serious player in DSLR. Good to see more and more competitions !

Cheers!
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sublogic said:
"Canon has announced today that it plans to roll-out nearly 20 new
compact digital cameras in 2004 in an aggressive product push to
grab 25 percent of the global market and it seems that this is
aimed squarely at Sony. Takashi Oshiyama, head of Canon's digital
imaging business group, told Reuters in an interview "Those
companies out there that have no experience producing film cameras
have yet to create a camera that performs like a real camera
should. I won't say who that is." Oshiyama said shipments of
digital cameras by Japanese manufacturers would total between 40
and 44 million units in 2003. That compares to last year's 25
million units, according to Japan's Camera and Imaging Products
Association (CIPA)."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/message.asp?forum=1019

I'm by no means a troll, but it sure seems Sony really stuck it to
Canon this time.

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Hi, sub,
sublogic said:
"Canon has announced today that it plans to roll-out nearly 20 new
compact digital cameras in 2004 in an aggressive product push to
grab 25 percent of the global market and it seems that this is
aimed squarely at Sony. Takashi Oshiyama, head of Canon's digital
imaging business group, told Reuters in an interview "Those
companies out there that have no experience producing film cameras
have yet to create a camera that performs like a real camera
should. I won't say who that is." Oshiyama said shipments of
digital cameras by Japanese manufacturers would total between 40
and 44 million units in 2003. That compares to last year's 25
million units, according to Japan's Camera and Imaging Products
Association (CIPA)."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/message.asp?forum=1019

I'm by no means a troll, but it sure seems Sony really stuck it to
Canon this time.
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How's that? Did Canon not roll out nearly 20 new compact digital cameras in 2004, or what? I didn't keep count.

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Doug

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16 is definitely "nearly 20" as far as marketing-speak (e.g. press releases, executive interviews with press, etc.) are concerned.
 
I think the post was in reference to the veiled reference to Sony as having no film camera development experience, but Sony bought KM thus bought some experience. Not the number of cameras released.

I find Canon's comments to be rather silly. A company doesn't need to have a strong history of camera development to hire people that do. Good old corporate world. Why figure something out yourself when you can save time and money by buying out a company that already figured it out.

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Any perceived rudeness, condescending tone, or insults are not intended, but rather the result of my inability to properly express myself with the written word.
 
...whenever there's a merger/takeover/asset transfer, the best employees often leave for greener pastures. Lots of the top KM people might end up at Canon instead of Sony. lol.

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Joe

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Any perceived rudeness, condescending tone, or insults are not intended, but rather the result of my inability to properly express myself with the written word.
 
No idea what you are trying to say.
sublogic said:
"Canon has announced today that it plans to roll-out nearly 20 new
compact digital cameras in 2004 in an aggressive product push to
grab 25 percent of the global market and it seems that this is
aimed squarely at Sony. Takashi Oshiyama, head of Canon's digital
imaging business group, told Reuters in an interview "Those
companies out there that have no experience producing film cameras
have yet to create a camera that performs like a real camera
should. I won't say who that is." Oshiyama said shipments of
digital cameras by Japanese manufacturers would total between 40
and 44 million units in 2003. That compares to last year's 25
million units, according to Japan's Camera and Imaging Products
Association (CIPA)."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/message.asp?forum=1019

I'm by no means a troll, but it sure seems Sony really stuck it to
Canon this time.

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A great corporate statement there:

"Why figure something out yourself when you can save time and money by buying out a company that already figured it out."

BMW did just that...they bought Rover for a song and run the company into the ground. Kept the Mini which was nearly developed any how. Take the Rover 25 repacement and covert it to rear wheel drive...and call it a one series. But the biggest win for them was that BMW openly admitted that they only wanted Rover because Range Rover came free and that BMW couldn't afford to develope a competent off road system, so they got the Land Rover techies cheap as a part of the Rover Bargin. Viollla! The X5 was born and at a total cost of £600 million, slightly more than the total cost that Ford spent on the Focus range. Go figure. Also BMW percieved that one day Rover could become a market threat to BMW (which was NEVER going to happen!) so they systematically dismantled Rover and
crippled it so that it would certainly go out of business.

The bizzare thing is that BMW sold Range Rover to Ford for an undisclosed sum (that was more than BMW bought Rover for) and as of yet, Range Rover has yet to post a profit for Ford!

The saddest point of this tale of woe is that this current behaviour is percived to be "Corporate Good sense", which is a "survival of the fittest" mentality, but surely the human race has evolved a concience and Civility? I just hope that Canon are a mature comapny above these child like tactics. I fear for the future of the camera world, it's starting to become a three horse race. What happens when each sells 33.3% to the other two? Then there's no compatition and the market becomes totally rigged.

Gareth Cooper
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sublogic said:
Looks like Pyogenes is the only one here with common sense. This
isn't about Sony beating Canon at its own game, this is about Sony
basically making Canon eat their own statement.
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Canon aren't eating anything right now. Frankly having used a few Sony Compact P&S cameras they could use all the help they can get when it comes to designing a camera to take photos.
sublogic said:
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Pyogenes said:
I think the post was in reference to the veiled reference to Sony
as having no film camera development experience, but Sony bought KM
thus bought some experience.
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Yeah, the halls of power at Canon must really be trembling now that Sony has acquired the tremendous camera-creation acumen of Konica Minolta. That's marketing power, baby.

It's as if the Indianapolis Colts decided to put a lock on next year's Super Bowl by acquiring the NY Jets.

John R.
 
All that was said by Canon was:

"Those companies out there that have no experience producing
film cameras have yet to create a camera that performs like a real
camera should. I won't say who that is."

I won't say that was a politically or even technically clever comment,
but...

He was taking about the situation then, not now.

Now Sony has bought knowledge and may not validate as such
company (what he was referring to) any more even in Canon's opinion.

Vesa
 
I have a 20D which I love.However,don't sell Sony short.I also have an H1 which is a great camera.It doesn't compare to the SLR 20D,but on its own,is great.I would expect great things from Sony in the future and also Panasonic.
Steve Karafin
 
stevek183 said:
I have a 20D which I love.However,don't sell Sony short.I also have
an H1 which is a great camera.It doesn't compare to the SLR 20D,but
on its own,is great.I would expect great things from Sony in the
future and also Panasonic.
Steve Karafin
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Yes, the Sony HI is a good camera, but in my opinion, the Canon S2IS is a better camera from a photographer's standpoint. I've handled both and if I want the 20D like workflow in how I create a photograph, the S2IS wins hands down.

Look at the A series, the G series and the S series: They all are designed with some workflow capabilities you'll find in SLRs. Now they're threatening Sony in it's videos modes. One thing I don't like in Sony is the inability to turn NR off with slow shutter speeds.

Thus the quote below has relevance.

Takashi Oshiyama, head of Canon's digital imaging business group, told Reuters in an interview "Those companies out there that have no experience producing film cameras have yet to create a camera that performs like a real camera should. I won't say who that is."
 
just a note on sony...

remember when nintendo and sega ignored sony...yeah, and what are they doing now..catching up...

Sony kinda sneaks up on ya...very quickly....I'd say they'll be a big player within 5 yrs, but the only 'issue' i see with them in the dslr market is that they will need the lens tech, which i'm not sure they can handle for the dslr market.

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