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Came across trhis on the Canon EOS mail list...

"I talked to one of the Canon Reps this week -- I was asking him
about what's coming up for EOS Digital Camera Bodies...

Here's the info I could gleam from him:
  • Expect to see a camera modeled on the Elan II with a 3+ MP
image size appear sometime early 4th quarter. The expected
SRP of the camera will be in the $2500 range
  • Kodak appears to be (finally) moving forward with a successor
to the DCS520 (EOS D2000). This camera should be similar to
the current Nikon body DCS315 which has a street price of
around $4k or less.
  • Look for 3rd Party Digital Cameras which take the EOS Mount!
There will be a number of non-Canon models appear over the next
year or two which will take EOS lenses."

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David Birkin said:
Came across trhis on the Canon EOS mail list...

"I talked to one of the Canon Reps this week -- I was asking him
about what's coming up for EOS Digital Camera Bodies...

Here's the info I could gleam from him:
  • Expect to see a camera modeled on the Elan II with a 3+ MP
image size appear sometime early 4th quarter. The expected
SRP of the camera will be in the $2500 range
  • Kodak appears to be (finally) moving forward with a successor
to the DCS520 (EOS D2000). This camera should be similar to
the current Nikon body DCS315 which has a street price of
around $4k or less.
  • Look for 3rd Party Digital Cameras which take the EOS Mount!
There will be a number of non-Canon models appear over the next
year or two which will take EOS lenses."

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Finally, Canon! Thanks for the great news. With that price, it is going to sell really well I believe.

Does any know if this is a different one from the one at PMA a month ago? Sounds like the same one, but it does not hurt to hope...

Charles
 
This is different than the one Canon announced at PMA.

The PMA announcement was based on the EOS-1N. This is Canons "super fuel injected, has everything camera".

The elan II is designed to compete with the Nikon N70 and N60. It doesn't have spot metering and lacks a number of other controls. It still uses EOS lenses and has many manual controls including aperature and shutter priortity. It has a unique feature that allows you to program the camera to your eyesight. You can then focus on any subject in the viewfinder and it will be in perfect focus.
Charles Chien said:
David Birkin said:
Came across trhis on the Canon EOS mail list...

"I talked to one of the Canon Reps this week -- I was asking him
about what's coming up for EOS Digital Camera Bodies...

Here's the info I could gleam from him:
  • Expect to see a camera modeled on the Elan II with a 3+ MP
image size appear sometime early 4th quarter. The expected
SRP of the camera will be in the $2500 range
  • Kodak appears to be (finally) moving forward with a successor
to the DCS520 (EOS D2000). This camera should be similar to
the current Nikon body DCS315 which has a street price of
around $4k or less.
  • Look for 3rd Party Digital Cameras which take the EOS Mount!
There will be a number of non-Canon models appear over the next
year or two which will take EOS lenses."

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Finally, Canon! Thanks for the great news. With that price, it is going
to sell really well I believe.

Does any know if this is a different one from the one at PMA a month ago?
Sounds like the same one, but it does not hurt to hope...

Charles
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And the PMA model isn't based on the ElanII either. The body is completely different, but it certainly looks like it's in the same class.

I think this is the $2500 model the Canon rep mentioned though. The price is a bit higher than I'd hoped, but not completely unexpected.
David Birkin said:
Robert said:
This is different than the one Canon announced at PMA.

The PMA announcement was based on the EOS-1N. This is Canons "super fuel
injected, has everything camera".
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the digital shown at PMA was not based on a EOS-1N. for starters it has
a pop-up flash

http://www.imaging-resource.com/EVENTS/PMAS00/PMADayThree.HTM

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It doesn't look like any current EOS model at all, though the main dial/command dial layout is similar to the EOS 5/3/1, except for the popup flash (maybe EOS 5 has built in flash?). This also looks like it has an adjustable diopter, which may failing eyes would appreciate ;-).

It looks very interesting. Does anyone know if the focal length of the lenses will be the same with this body as with the film EOS bodies? I certainly hope so, but I would imagine not.
Derek Clarke said:
And the PMA model isn't based on the ElanII either. The body is
completely different, but it certainly looks like it's in the same class.

I think this is the $2500 model the Canon rep mentioned though. The price
is a bit higher than I'd hoped, but not completely unexpected.
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Brian Kennedy said:
It doesn't look like any current EOS model at all, though the main
dial/command dial layout is similar to the EOS 5/3/1, except for the
popup flash (maybe EOS 5 has built in flash?). This also looks like it
has an adjustable diopter, which may failing eyes would appreciate ;-).

It looks very interesting. Does anyone know if the focal length of the lenses > will be the same with this body as with the film EOS bodies? I certainly hope > so , but I would imagine not.
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This is not a current 35mm EOS body. Opinion on the EOS mail list is that it will be a new EOS 30, that that is just their view. Maybe it will be like the D1 that is truely digital.

I would expect a focal length increase of between 1.3 and 1.5, probably the lower end. I suppose the "standard" zoom will be a 28-XXmm. Will go quite nicely with my 20-35mm.

As for a price of $2500 (£1600), this would soon drop to £1400, then I would certainly buy one. Full manual control, full EF lens compatability. Suits you sir!
Would probably sell my s10.

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David Birkin said:
Brian Kennedy said:
It doesn't look like any current EOS model at all, though the main
dial/command dial layout is similar to the EOS 5/3/1, except for the
popup flash (maybe EOS 5 has built in flash?). This also looks like it
has an adjustable diopter, which may failing eyes would appreciate ;-).

It looks very interesting. Does anyone know if the focal length of the lenses > will be the same with this body as with the film EOS bodies? I certainly hope > so , but I would imagine not.
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This is not a current 35mm EOS body. Opinion on the EOS mail list is
that it will be a new EOS 30, that that is just their view. Maybe it
will be like the D1 that is truely digital.

I would expect a focal length increase of between 1.3 and 1.5, probably
the lower end. I suppose the "standard" zoom will be a 28-XXmm. Will go
quite nicely with my 20-35mm.

As for a price of $2500 (£1600), this would soon drop to £1400, then I
would certainly buy one. Full manual control, full EF lens
compatability. Suits you sir!
Would probably sell my s10.

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Could you give any more details about the EOS mail list you mentioned? I am
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a Canon CPS member but don't know about any EOS mail list. Thanks. Oh,
and has anyone heard of any plans by Kodak to update their DCS 520? I heard
that they might consider using the EOS 3 as a new camera platform, as EOS 1V
will be in short supply. It all depends on what Canon would sell them.
Rick Maiman [email protected]
 
If the price really dropped another $300 to $500, I'd buy one as well. About $2100 for a digital SLR w/interchangeable lens would make me alot happier than spending $5k for a D1.

Any more info on this camera?
 
Rich Terlaje said:
If the price really dropped another $300 to $500, I'd buy one as well.
About $2100 for a digital SLR w/interchangeable lens would make me alot
happier than spending $5k for a D1.

Any more info on this camera?
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Nothing else has been released than that which was released at PMA. there is a belief that Canon felt 'pressured' into action by the Nikon D1. this does not seem so implausible. there was also rumour that canon couldn't produce a high quality digicam due a contract with kodak. perhaps this prosumer camera is allowed.

quite frankly though 3.3mp will not be that special come Q3 2000. but the press release does say '

watch this space, i'm sure phil will post info as soon as it is available.

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From my sources I've heard:

Amateur Canon EOS digital slr this year, Q3 timeframe with a price of about $2,500.

Pro Canon EOS digital slr based on EOS-1v body next year (2001). This is due to a contract with Kodak that prevents them from selling a pro-level digital slr until
next year.

My fear is that if a lot of pros buy the amateur camera and it doesn't hold up (after all it's an amateur camera) Canon will get blasted by everyone. I'm sure the

EOS-1d (or whatever it's called) will rock. Of course Nikon won't be sitting around either and will probably come out with a new challenger to
 
Baron said:
From my sources I've heard:

Amateur Canon EOS digital slr this year, Q3 timeframe with a price of
about $2,500.

Pro Canon EOS digital slr based on EOS-1v body next year (2001). This is
due to a contract with Kodak that prevents them from selling a pro-level
digital slr until
next year.
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Q3 is a along time in the digital camera world. by the time these camera come out they will already be out-of-date, unless canon does something remarkable.

i get the impression that canon isn't all that bothered about digital SLR's.

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Baron said:
From my sources I've heard:

Amateur Canon EOS digital slr this year, Q3 timeframe with a price of
about $2,500.

Pro Canon EOS digital slr based on EOS-1v body next year (2001).
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Wouldn't it be nice if it turned out that Canon actually is designing those two models at the same time, and the rumoured $2,500 would be the price of the pro model? :) Which would make the proce of the amateur model anybody's nice guess.

I mean, why's everybody expecting even an amateur digital SLR should be SO much more expensive than the best of the point and shoot devices are today? After all, it doesn't need any new objective designing (some standard EOS 28-80 of $200 or so will do for the beginner's set). The basic modes and functions of controlling digital camera have already been developped for the best of todays models. So, is it really so much to create inside the body more accurate and wide range control mechanisms for apperture, exposure etc? I could easily understand some $1500 or so for the first model in line, but $2500 of an amateur model...???

I know this questioning is a bit provoking, as all here seem to be accepting the $2000-2500 range quite happily and without too much amazement. But perhaps somebody more technically minded can explain to me of what elements that price might supposedly be put together and how much more there is needed in addition to S10 like digicam to create a decent amaterur digital SLR?

Esa
 
Esa Toivonen said:
Wouldn't it be nice if it turned out that Canon actually is designing
those two models at the same time, and the rumoured $2,500 would be the
price of the pro model? :) Which would make the proce of the amateur
model anybody's nice guess.

I know this questioning is a bit provoking, as all here seem to be
accepting the $2000-2500 range quite happily and without too much
amazement. But perhaps somebody more technically minded can explain to me
of what elements that price might supposedly be put together and how much
more there is needed in addition to S10 like digicam to create a decent
amaterur digital SLR?
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I agree that the lenses and much of the "internals" have already been designed. You could argue this regarding the s20, it is a s10 with a 3.3mp CCD and costs more. I suppose the real reason, is that is what they expect the market should pay, also they probably won't sell as may EOS-D's as they do s10's, so make their money back buy selling them at a higher price.

but please don't fit a 28-80 to any canon EOS digital.

regarding the price....don't know where that rumour started, but i c no reason y it shouldn't seem correct.

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David Birkin said:
but please don't fit a 28-80 to any canon EOS digital.
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Any? Why is that? :) I was quite happy with the lense as a beginning SLR user a few years ago. It also seemed to have maintained it's price relatively well, when I traded away my 500N last december as buying the S10.
Member said:
regarding the price....don't know where that rumour started, but i c no
reason y it shouldn't seem correct.
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You're probably right. I just feel there might be a considerable amount of air within the first model prices, without any real reason at the technical side. But I guess we will find out about that only by waiting a year or two. I believe the rumour was started by somebody reporting his recent discussion with Canon ppl or something.

Esa
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Esa Toivonen said:
Esa Toivonen said:
but please don't fit a 28-80 to any canon EOS digital.
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Any? Why is that? :) I was quite happy with the lense as a beginning SLR
user a few years ago. It also seemed to have maintained it's price
relatively well, when I traded away my 500N last december as buying the
S10.
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As we all know the quality of the end result will be seriously affected by the lens that "viewed" the world. The 28-80mm is ceratinly a bargin basement lens. When I bought my first EOS lens all those years ago I bought the best I could afford, a 35-135mm. Later to be joined with a 20-35. When I purchase a digital EOS I will start looking into buying a 100-400L IS. That is a lovely lens!

Obviously for us that don't make money from our photos there's little point in going overboard, but quality glass will last years!
 
David Birkin said:
As we all know the quality of the end result will be seriously affected
by the lens that "viewed" the world. The 28-80mm is ceratinly a bargin
basement lens. When I bought my first EOS lens all those years ago I
bought the best I could afford, a 35-135mm. Later to be joined with a
20-35. When I purchase a digital EOS I will start looking into buying a
100-400L IS. That is a lovely lens!

Obviously for us that don't make money from our photos there's little
point in going overboard, but quality glass will last years!
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David, I know the world is full of extraordinarily amazing lenses. :)

But I thought I made it clear I was talking from the view of an amateur, who perhaps can't see much difference between the technical quality produced by the lenses you mentioned, and who anyway can't afford to buy glasses priced 2-3x as high as the camera body itself. At least not right away when buying the body. Still they might be astonishingly interested in many photography related issues, like the ones discussed here.

Also, I was speculating about qualities of a possible beginner level digi-SLR, not even about a semi-pro one. The 28-80 was just an example of the price level for bundled EOS lenses of Canon camera kits, whatever better ones Canon mojght have developed since that low-end standard. The glass side shouldn't give Canon any reason to keep it's coming EOS compatible digi-SLR unnecessarily high priced.

Esa
 
Esa Toivonen wrote:
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Esa Toivonen said:
I know this questioning is a bit provoking, as all here seem to be
accepting the $2000-2500 range quite happily and without too much
amazement. But perhaps somebody more technically minded can explain to me
of what elements that price might supposedly be put together and how much
more there is needed in addition to S10 like digicam to create a decent
amaterur digital SLR?
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The main problem is that if you use small CCD chips like the one
in the S10 for a digital SLR you end up with a far too high
focal length. The chip is so much smaller than the film frame
that these SLR lenses are designed for. This is why the pro-digital SLRs
have bigger and more expensive CCDs, but still they have a focal length
multiplicity factor of about 1.6.
One the other hand the price is both based on what the market
is willing to pay and the design and manufacturing costs involved.
I think it would be good news if more manufacturers would
make bodys for the EOS mount, that should certanly help to push
prices down.
 
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