The coming year and Olympus-> (E-X, E-330)

I think you are right Drew. They need the body that will compete with N/C and then need a mid-range body such as the D200. Then they can also make their smaller lighter bodies and that will be a well rounded system.
Steve
 
Greetings Everyone

Well it doesn't make sense to me for Olympus to bring out a E??? and price it higher than the D200 or even at the same price. If they want to win back "pros" they need to make a better product at a better price. Like I've said before I have 3 systems right now and Olympus is 1 of them, but if they don't bring out a new E??? and price it like the D200 or below I'll be selling what I have. As for the F2 lenses they have and the price their asking for them not to many, or zero "pros" well be selling off their Nikon gear to buy into Olympus. It doesn't make sense for me to sell of my Nikon lenses or my Sigma lenses to buy an over priced Olympus lens, no sense at all. The problem is that no third party company is making anything for the E system at this time. I truely hope Sigma starts making the EX series lenses and flashes in the 4/3 mount. Not to mention that there is so much used Nikon gear for sale, there is tons of it. Let me see...... buy a D200 for $1600.00, a used D2h for $1000.00 or a D2x for $3500.00 and use the 10 lenses and the 2 flashes(a Metz and Sigma)that I have for my D1 an D1x or do I use my E1 with it's 2 lenses and $400.00 FL50 flash and then go out and buy two F2 lenses for $10,000.00 dollars or more............and then buy a E??? camera when it comes out for $3000.00 or more. What then, do you sell off your Nikon gear for $4000.00 or less to pay for your new $13,000.00 plus investment in your new Olympus gear, which do you think the WORKING PRO is going to do not to mention what the average person will do. That's why it makes no sense to bring out this new gear at such high prices, not unless they want to go out of business. I like the E1 and the 2 lenses for what they are and what they can do, but I'd like to see more realistic prices and equipment from Olympus and I like to see more companies support the 4/3 system before I make a complete switch. Olympus like Sigma is a great company to work with and the OMs of the past where the best, second to none, they were great and so was their system that's why I bought into the E system, I was hoping for great things from Olympus...............but we'll wait and see.
Have fun
Roger
 
As I said somewhere Drew, 4/3rds is effectively a smaller "film" format than 35mmFF, and I don't think, however much money is thrown at it, they can hope to match the ultimate image quality.

If they try, and fail (and in my view they WOULD fail) they'll look stupid and kill the system.

They'd do much better to make a virtue out of a neccesity and say "here it is guys, the quality is as good as you will ever be able to use with current glasss technology, and you don't need a truck to carry it" Ooh, and whisper it quietly, it only costs $2K, so you can have the real deal rather than have to look like a pauper and buy a 5D because you can't afford a IDS11.

What has really changed is that in those days 35mm was 35mm - if you wanted bigger you really DID need a truck (I do landscapes, so I moved to bronica eventually), and if you wanted smaller you were down to joke Instamatics (remember the 110 SLR?).

Now there are three viable sizes, quite close, each increment costing more and being more of a backbreaker.

A smaller, ligher, high quality camera could do well. But not if it is pitched at unattainable quality levels with a ludicrous price tag, because it won't cut it.

I'll settle for 10-12MP, in a splashproof body with fast burst mode and quick AF, pitched at 5D prices, sold as a "smarter" pro camera for pros who don't want herniers, but actually also selling to keen amateurs who fancy a "pro" camera but not a $4K bill.

A 16MP 4/3rds camera would cost an arm and a leg, be as noisy as heck, and would be creamed by the opposition. The pros wouldn't buy it because the C&Ns would have less noise, and the keen amateurs would run a mile from the price tag.

Let's not forget, there is a wide open market at that price point, because C&N have each crippled their $2,000 cameras to force pros up the range. The 5d doesn't even have environmental seals, which, at the price point, is criminal.

Since Oly don't have a more expensive camera to bully pros into buying, they can make the best they can, sell it for $2K and still make a handsome profit (how much do a few seals cost?).

Pentax and KM don't really have the system credibility, but Oly do (just) and if they can make a plausible pro camera (even if it isn't quite a 1DS11 or D2) at 2K they'll eat hard into C&N's sales. And C&N won't be able to come back at them, because they still have $4K cameras to sell.

Seems obvious to me, let's hope a) that I'm right and b) that it is obvious to Oly.

All in my humble opinion.

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After the 8mm and 14-35mm F2 hits the market, there will only be two other lenses needed and I would say that Olympus has the most useful lenses lineup of anyone including Nikon and Canon.

The only other lenses that would complete the lineup is a 12mm F1.4 or F2 and something around 60-90mm F1.4 with really fast focusing.

Let's face it, if you have the 8mm, 7-14, 14-35, 35-100, 90-250, 150 F2 and the teleconverter that's about all you will ever need except for a couple of small fast primes. The telephoto prime is really important so that you don't have to shoot with the 35-100 for a fast apeture. I'd really like the 12 F1.4 also.

Olympus really is at the point where they just need the body to go with the lenses.

Steve
 
And it wouldn't take much to do this.

A more rugged version of the E-500. Metal body, mild weatherproof seals.
PC flash sync.

A nice compliment of prime 2.0 lenses that are affordable and compact.
From ultra wide to 55mm.

Hearing rumours of a EVF 4/3 camera with the same lens mount...I would gladly welcome that in my camera bag.
 
That's where the E-3 will fit, I think. Similar price and specs as D200 and 20D, but savings from the sensor reinvested in the body to make it more pro quality. We end up with something whose performance is in between those two cameras and the D2X and 1dsMII.

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I don't disagree with your projections - E330 soon, delayed E3
later this year, Exx to follow whenever - but the stuff about
letting others bring you down or give you false hope sounds like
the beginning of an alarming cult.

They are just cameras you know...
Agreed.
Cameras are simply tools. My life doesn't revolve around my camera.

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'There is no conversation more boring than the one where everybody agrees.'
 
More significant, are the F2 zooms. Olympus is not selling these
lenses to use on the current E-1 or E-500. They are much more
capable. Just as Olympus has spared no expense with the F2 zooms,
it is rational to assume there will be a body out this year of
equal caliber. Olympus is the only DSLR manufacturer producing a
lineup that directly competes or even bests the Canon L and Nikkor
zoom lineups.
Nonsense. The f/2 zoom (there is currently only one) is not "too good" for any E-system body. It's benefits would be realized on an E-1 just as much as on any future body.

Consider the current 14-54 on a new 10-12 MP body. Is the new body going to outresolve the lens? No, not at all.

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'There is no conversation more boring than the one where everybody agrees.'
 
Oh come on. At least one of the top end lenses is now made to order.

Nobody with the moeny to buy an £n,000 lens is going to buy a £600 5mp camera, and the pro E1 owners are bailing in droves.

It is perfectly clear that oly are either going to have to produce a non entry level dSLR or stop making non entry level lenses.

Fortunately they WILL be producing a serious dSLR, of that there seems no doubt.

Someone just posted something interesting:

We all assume the E330 is going to be another low tech 8MP jobbie with some smart USP added, generally agreed to be EVF.

Someone has just speculated that the E330 is going to be the new midrange D200 competitor (with preview or EVF or whatever).

Well - why not?

That would put the cat amongst the pigeons, and might explain why they are flogging off E1s at a dime a dozen with the E3 still months away...

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I'm a typical dSLR prosumer customer, I think. Willing to spend
more than I need to to get a top of the line camera, but I draw the
line at cameras that get too big and heavy to be convenient. I
liked the Nikon N80. I bought some pricey glass for it, but nothing
too big/heavy.
James,

I think you are already out of the prosumer category because you have something of a camera background. My niece, however, is the very definition of a prosumer. She has gotten interested in photojournalism in her college. She decided a DSLR was for her (her very first camera purchase--ever!) and tried out all of the entry level options from at least 4 different companies. She settled on the E300. More than likely, until at least three years from now when she finishes school, she will still be shooting the E300 and the kit lens, so for her, the future of DSLR is not going to be important for a while.

I think my niece is the epitome of the target market for all future DSLR purchases, not just Olys, either. The bulk of future DSLR buyers will come either from the ranks of P&S digital shooters who know nothing about film & 35mm equivalents, or they will be jumping whole hog into DSLR camera purchases with absolutely minimal camera experiences. In these cases, brand loyalty becomes extremely important to entice these first time camera buyers into future buyers of glass & bodies.

Thus, while many of us lust for upgrades, I think Oly will make their long-term money on feeding current & future entry level DSLR customers with more gradual introductions to better quality tools. Current & future 1st time buyers will probably keep their bodies about 3 years (just like computers) before seeking ugrades, so I would be willing to bet that Oly has release cycles set to 2 1/2 to 3-year plans. If the upgrade to the E1 comes out this year, then that would confirm my assessment (or at least make me feel like a decent prognosticator).

Cheers,
H Stamm
 
When the new cameras are delivered, I'll buy my self 2 used E300's and two used E-1's for $1000, and I'll have cameras for the rest of my life, that in time, with practice, becomes an extention of my mind, eye and hand. If I EVER need to print larger than 20x30" I can stitch three pictures together... Why would I need a new camera? Now that cameras have reached 8MP the race is over. Let's face it. It's pointless to have more than 8MP for 99% of the population, and pointless for a pro-photographer 99% of the time. I am an art photographer and used to chalenges. I can work my way around that 1% need for .tiff files larger than 23MB. My largest sticthes are 135MB .tiff, and that can cover a wall.

What pictures is it that you people think you can take with this new gear that's not allready within your grasp? Explain!

I'll go further than others here, and say it's not only just a camera; it's a tool. And the tools are all ready here, right under your noses, and has been for a while.
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Free your mind, and your camera will follow...
 
...my point proven by the release of the new Samsung SLR at 6MP.

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Free your mind, and your camera will follow...
 
I argued (maybe other did so too?) that the E-330 may well be a d200/30D competitor.

That was just pure speculation but it may be very viable. As a company I would not eat my own margin of the E-500. Especially as it the Panasonic camera will probably a low budget camera too. That is just competing agianst yourself and your own system.

Olympus has made some strategic mistakes which lost them a large stake in the digital compact segment. So my logic may not seem Olympus's logic.

For those of you still interested in my speculation:

I think a high quality E-300 with EVF. Think E1 specifications with double digits. All the features of the E-1 except for the wheater seals. Camera will be little smaller than the E-300 but buildquality is more important than size. If I am right the EVF may very well be combined with an optical viewfinder. Pricetag, sub 1500.

Considering the E-3 I expect a strategy that Fuji has used to introduce the S3. Paperlaunch at the 26th of February gradual introduction of the rest of the body/features. We probably will see more teaser! D2X competitor at 2700 Euro/Dollar.

Everyone concerned at noise in a double digit Olympus camera, look at the 9mpx Fuji s9500, and than imagine what a larger/newer sensor could do. If you expect Olympus to release a camera to beat Canon's low noise, your in the wrong camp. If you expect useable ISO 3200 in a double digit 4:3, be patient.
Oh come on. At least one of the top end lenses is now made to order.

Nobody with the moeny to buy an £n,000 lens is going to buy a £600
5mp camera, and the pro E1 owners are bailing in droves.

It is perfectly clear that oly are either going to have to produce
a non entry level dSLR or stop making non entry level lenses.

Fortunately they WILL be producing a serious dSLR, of that there
seems no doubt.

Someone just posted something interesting:

We all assume the E330 is going to be another low tech 8MP jobbie
with some smart USP added, generally agreed to be EVF.

Someone has just speculated that the E330 is going to be the new
midrange D200 competitor (with preview or EVF or whatever).

Well - why not?

That would put the cat amongst the pigeons, and might explain why
they are flogging off E1s at a dime a dozen with the E3 still
months away...

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Agreed, more or less.

Although i still think a GurlyCam is more like than a D200 killer. But either is possible.
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Louis_Dobson wrote:
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Someone just posted something interesting:

Someone has just speculated that the E330 is going to be the new
midrange D200 competitor (with preview or EVF or whatever).
than this
Well - why not?

That would put the cat amongst the pigeons, and might explain why
they are flogging off E1s at a dime a dozen with the E3 still
many
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You think?

OK, I reckon the odds on favourite is GurlyCam, a C8080 replacement with 4/3rds compatibility and, possibly, a recessed lens. But coming up fast on the outside rails is a D200 killer, with some sort of preview, and, possibly, IS, in an E300 physical layout. As a side bet it is also the Panasonic body, and the guts are pade by Matsushita, with lense by Oly.

3/1 Bar.

Me, I'm fascinated. And saving up.

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Olympus can finish these speculations by communicating with it's
E-system customers. Or simply by putting something buyable on the
table.
Whose to say that Oly hasn't communicated news of the next Pro offering to their Pro customers - meaning selected OGPS members................

Kind of like the story of the guy on the roof during the flood who prays to be saved.... Perhaps the Oly gods have sent a message and some people are too busy complaining to realize it was a sign from above...

Cheers...

 
You think?
yep
OK, I reckon the odds on favourite is GurlyCam, a C8080 replacement
with 4/3rds compatibility and, possibly, a recessed lens.
nahh

i hope... same sensor as Ex, no IS (Milsuper gave a clue that IS is not ready for prime time), evf, and adjustable LCD, with ability to change lenses.. and we thought the forum is active now?
But
coming up fast on the outside rails is a D200 killer, with some
sort of preview, and, possibly, IS, in an E300 physical layout. As
a side bet it is also the Panasonic body, and the guts are pade by
Matsushita, with lense by Oly.

3/1 Bar.

Me, I'm fascinated. And saving up.
ahhhh... bonus in feb?
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No matter which way you slice or dice the numbers, A Canon Digital
Rebel with an f 2.8 zoom, ISO for ISO, can get higher shutter
speeds, or better DOF isolation.
1.6x crop is less than one stop from 2x crop, so an f2 on 4/3 should have
(slightly) better DOF isolation than an f2.8 on a Canon 1.6x crop CMOS.

Same would hold for shutter speeds if Kodak were as good as Canon in
making high iso sensors. In the future, it could become true.

Still, it would be nice if Oly's pricing somewhat reflected the lenses'
functionally equivalent speed.

Just my two öre
Erik from Sweden, F Z 5 owner
 
I think that IS GurlyCam.

Anyway, the fixed mailserver just came up like a lamb, and Gareth thinks it is time for my bed, so that's one less day to wonder, time to trudge home in the rain :-)

Night all...
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